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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#43734 Nov 18, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Diabetics, cancer patients, those on.blood pressure pills.
rabbee: why do these unecessary plagues, even necessarily exist? could it be, that the same subtle beast. that pretends to care, for you. is the reason why, they even exist. so that you run to them, rather than G-D for help. knowing full well, these curses would not occur. if this world had been, true to G-D all along.

"(G-D spoke spoke all these statements, saying:

IAM HaShem*, your G-D, WHO has taken you out of the land of egypt,from the house of slavery.

you shall not recognize the g-ds of others in MY Presence. you shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of that which is in heavens above the earth or below or in the water beneath the earth. you shall not prostrate yourself to them nor worship them, for I-AM HaShem*, your G-D - a jealous G-D, WHO visits the sins of fathers upon children to the third and fourth generation, for my enemies; but WHO knows kindness for thousands [of generations] to those who love ME and observe MY commandments.)"

and if you cannot understand this Preamble, then you are not going to get the rest right. for all the other commands, are based on this inclusive principal - for thousands of generations of Adam.

and the only time, here in TheTorah. that Adam can be paired up, with any different mate. is in this second coming, when Adam has been seperated, as He And She. the only point in time, all of you and your grandmother can be replaced.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43735 Nov 18, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
I provided a link in regards to you agenda 21 comments.
Which volunteerist is adressing me now? I dotn even know what both of them were discussing.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43736 Nov 18, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Diabetics, cancer patients, those on.blood pressure pills.
What about those?

I cant read internet shorthand. Please write in complete sentences, preferably one thought per sentence.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#43737 Nov 18, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
What about those?
I cant read internet shorthand. Please write in complete sentences, preferably one thought per sentence.
rabbee: can't chew gum, and read at the same time?

even if most of what is written, is not really true enough to be worth reading.
Voluntarist

United States

#43738 Nov 18, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
What about those?
I cant read internet shorthand. Please write in complete sentences, preferably one thought per sentence.
You are deflecting.

Watch behind the green mask, a film created by a liberal about agenda 21.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43739 Nov 18, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
You are deflecting.
Watch behind the green mask, a film created by a liberal about agenda 21.
Actually, you are deflecting

1. I noted that on one hand you promote organic foods and deindustrialized agriculture and on the other hand are on a religious crusade against Agenda21 which actually promotes the same

2. I posted a link to the text of the Agenda21 subsections which promote those same values

3. I asked you how you can reconcile this.

I didnt ask for other people's opinion. I asked an honest question about the coherency of your OWN views.

I suspect you have never read the Agenda21 section in question.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43740 Nov 18, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: can't chew gum, and read at the same time?
even if most of what is written, is not really true enough to be worth reading.
I couldnt get past the part where you are supposed to drink vinegar.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43741 Nov 18, 2012
Vinegar potato chips are Da Bomb though!
Voluntarist

United States

#43742 Nov 18, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, you are deflecting
1. I noted that on one hand you promote organic foods and deindustrialized agriculture and on the other hand are on a religious crusade against Agenda21 which actually promotes the same
2. I posted a link to the text of the Agenda21 subsections which promote those same values
3. I asked you how you can reconcile this.
I didnt ask for other people's opinion. I asked an honest question about the coherency of your OWN views.
I suspect you have never read the Agenda21 section in question.
The "local control " wording in agenda 21 is just window dressing.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43745 Nov 18, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
The "local control " wording in agenda 21 is just window dressing.
lol

thats lame. Even from coming from you.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43746 Nov 18, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
The "local control " wording in agenda 21 is just window dressing.
Go back and read this so you dont have to make stupid statements anymore

I now it will be your first time
http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda...
arian man

Yerevan, Armenia

#43747 Nov 18, 2012
Arians will dominate in the world) And you all know that ) Even,now-they are rulling the world...) not you...
Voluntarist

United States

#43748 Nov 18, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Go back and read this so you dont have to make stupid statements anymore
I now it will be your first time
http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda...
Would this be one of the things you are referring to?;
14.16. This component bridges policy and integrated resource
management. The greater the degree of community control over
the resources on which it relies, the greater will be the incentive
for economic and human resources development. At the same
time, policy instruments to reconcile long-run and short-run
requirements must be set by national Governments. The
approaches focus on fostering self-reliance and cooperation,
providing information and supporting user-based organizations.
Emphasis should be on management practices, building
agreements for changes in resource utilization, the rights and
duties associated with use of land, water and forests, the
functioning of markets, prices, and the access to information,
capital and inputs. This would require training and capacity-
building to assume greater responsibilities in sustainable
development efforts. 2/
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43749 Nov 18, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Would this be one of the things you are referring to?;
14.16. This component bridges policy and integrated resource
management. The greater the degree of community control over
the resources on which it relies, the greater will be the incentive
for economic and human resources development. At the same
time, policy instruments to reconcile long-run and short-run
requirements must be set by national Governments. The
approaches focus on fostering self-reliance and cooperation,
providing information and supporting user-based organizations.
Emphasis should be on management practices, building
agreements for changes in resource utilization, the rights and
duties associated with use of land, water and forests, the
functioning of markets, prices, and the access to information,
capital and inputs. This would require training and capacity-
building to assume greater responsibilities in sustainable
development efforts. 2/
I was referring to the numerous times in the text were the documents advocates sustainable agriculture with an emphasis of nutritional content over mass production.

Sustainable agriculture is organic or similarly lower input farming. That is what you originally posted about.

Local control, which that passage above refers to, is a byproduct of sustainable agriculture because of the economy of scale is different than in agribusiness, which in contrast involves centralized decision making from power centers far away.

Where I think you might stray is that you read local "control" as a controlling factor, rather than a byproduct. If you were better versed in what sustainable agriculture is, you would understand this better. Over all, the sustainable farming movement advocates the same values you are promoting, and Agenda21 encapsulates those values.
Eric

Sugar Grove, IL

#43750 Nov 18, 2012
arian man wrote:
Arians will dominate in the world) And you all know that ) Even,now-they are rulling the world...) not you...
I wish you bigots would make up your minds. First it's the Elders of Zion. Then it's the Illuminati. Then it's the New World Order. Now we are back to the bigots being in control.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#43752 Nov 18, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Lecture 7. The message of the Holy Prophet of Islam part-43
Introduction:(Contd.)
On the other hand, there are indications in their text that they are temporary and there is more of the Divine guidance still to come. Moses (Peace be upon him) says in Torah:“The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken.”(Duet 18:15).
“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words n his mouth and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him”(Deut 18:19)
This is the Blessing that Moses, the servant of God, gave to the children of Israel before his death:“The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them He shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousand of Saints, from his right hand went a fiery law for them.”
These verses from Torah clearly indicate that another Prophet like Moses is about to come with a “fiery law”, and God will put His “words in his mouth.” It is obvious, thus, that the Message given to Moses was not final and eternal.
Another Prophet of Allah, Isaiah gives the good tidings of a Messenger whose law will extend to lands of rivers and islands. Malachi says,“Look. I will send my Messenger.” The other books of the Old Testament confirm the coming of future Prophets. It proves that none of the Jewish scriptures was meant to be complete, final and eternal.
The New Testament says:“... And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever..”
But the Comforter, which is the holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance, what ever I have said to you.”
“I have many other things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when he, the Spirit of Truth, has come, he will guide you to all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak.”
These verses of the Bible clearly indicate that it is not the last word of God, nor is it complete. Another Messenger of God is due to come who will complete the message of Christ. On the other hand, the Message brought by Prophet Muhammad does not tell of any other Messenger who is to follow and will bring a new message with him; or that there is some thing missing in his message that he will complete and thus make his message perfect. Prophet Muhammad’s Message claims its own completion and perfection.
A verse of the holy Quran states:
Today, I have perfected your religion for you, and have completed My blessing upon you, and chosen Islam as Din (religion and a way of life) for you.(Chp.5:Vrs.3), and it proclaims that Prophet Muhammad is the last of the chain of Allah’s Prophets (Peace be upon them). To us the Quranic term that he is the ‘Seal of Prophets,” means he is the last Prophet. In many of his sayings the holy Prophet himself has said:
“The coming of Prophets has ceased after me.”–
(Contd.)
FREAKSHOW...no one reads your sh==it. Words do not change people. Actions of life do. Keep freaking on, as nooooooooooo one readsssssss...Freakshow Tool.. From a Westerner, USA
Voluntarist

United States

#43753 Nov 18, 2012
By concentrating power in cities this
group circumvents requirements for
ratification of international treaties
and gives the illusion of local control.
In fact the cities then ally in regional
conglomerates which break
jurisdictional boundaries and will
destroy local control. Ultimately this
facilitates global governance by
invalidating individual cities,
counties, states, and nations with
contractual agreements and
interwoven systems.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43764 Nov 19, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
By concentrating power in cities this
group circumvents requirements for
ratification of international treaties
and gives the illusion of local control.
In fact the cities then ally in regional
conglomerates which break
jurisdictional boundaries and will
destroy local control. Ultimately this
facilitates global governance by
invalidating individual cities,
counties, states, and nations with
contractual agreements and
interwoven systems.
Interesting and all of that, but nowhere in the link I sent you does that state anything about cty control.

Straw argument.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43765 Nov 19, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
At least YOU have read it!!
So my readership count has gone up by one!!
Allow me to correct your post

"At least YOU have read it!!
So my readership count has gone up TO one!!.."
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43766 Nov 19, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
By concentrating power in cities this
group circumvents requirements for
ratification of international treaties
and gives the illusion of local control.
In fact the cities then ally in regional
conglomerates which break
jurisdictional boundaries and will
destroy local control. Ultimately this
facilitates global governance by
invalidating individual cities,
counties, states, and nations with
contractual agreements and
interwoven systems.
and not only does the links say nothing about "city control" but your post demonstrates you have completely MISSED the point of the previous post of mine about what they mean by control.

Lets try again.

Control is not political control. You are substituting the notion of local centralized control for far away centralized control. Thats not what they mean by control.

What they mean is that by ridding themselves of a centralized far away control (dependence on industrialized agriculture), they now have the ABILITY to select from a larger pallette of opportunities. Its freedom.

I.E. Local producers are no longer beholden to the chemical pesticide industry to tell them what to plant.

Think of this with a metaphor from another industry - the energy industry. Does energy independence bring you MORE freedom or LESS freedom to make choices regarding what types of energry production you want?

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