Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

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Finally saw an actual dermatologist.

Probably a better move than some of the alternatives, like maggots...

[Cult of Reason]

Voluntarist wrote:

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If you are interested in saving the patient money after ruling out life threatening conditions, why not?
The real problem is that doctors aren't trained in the natural area and usually poo poo it.

If alternative treatments work, then it should be easily demonstrated with double-blind scientific studies with control groups using placebos. If the results of the studies show the treatment is effective, it will be very hard for anyone to poo poo it. Unfortunately, many alternative treatments don't hold up to scrutiny, hence why they are poo poo'ed. But I don't expect you to understand any of this given your proclivity to conspiracy theories.

[Liam R]

Voluntarist wrote:

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what about suspension of habeas corpus?

What doesw that have to do with the treatment of prisoners of war?

[HughBe]

Frijoles wrote:

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Vinegar is cheap. Didnt dilute it. "Quality" (as you refer to it) doesnt matter as the active ingrediant whould be the acidity. There is no difference between organic and nonorganic in acidity.

Noted. My understanding is that the vinegar with the "MOTHER" in it is better quality.

[HughBe]

former res wrote:

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More like Master Baiter.

No son, Master as in ruler.

[Liam R]

Voluntarist wrote:

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Lets protect the middle class by not raising taxes, stop spending and eliminate government services that the private sector can handle.

But WHAT government services can the private sector actually handle in a manner that makes sure that all citizens can gain equal access to them? FDA? EPA? FAA? Police? Fire? Schools? The private sector can't do any of those properly.

[Liam R]

Voluntarist wrote:

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Without government there is no for profit organization, there is no Medicare there is just men and women interacting.
How were roads paid for before?
How is garbage collection paid for where the city Mafia doesn't provide?

Roads were paid for through the levy of taxes, or a levy of labor, or they didn't get built. Unless you are talking about a small private road running a few dozen yards inside someone's property.

[Liam R]

Voluntarist wrote:

A volunteer society now answer the question, how does a fictitious entity vote?

Frijoles wrote:

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Please provide an actual example of such society.

Hippie communes are (or were) volunteer societies...

[Abolish The Fed]

HughBe wrote:

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Noted. My understanding is that the vinegar with the "MOTHER" in it is better quality.

It is, don't listen to the retards, its the liberal schooling.

[Liam R]

Voluntarist wrote:

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If only 30 million out of 330+ don't, that's not bad.
I am OK with freedom of choice, not threat duress or coercion.

Ah, no. If 30 million people don't have health care, that IS bad. Very bad. There is something broken with a society that allows that to happen.

[Liam R]

Voluntarist wrote:

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If you are interested in saving the patient money after ruling out life threatening conditions, why not?
The real problem is that doctors aren't trained in the natural area and usually poo poo it.

That is because a lot of those "natural" cures ARE poo poo...

And the ones that DO happen to work do not have any documentation to prove that they actually work beyond a few anecdotes that easily fall within the margin of the placebo effect.

[Voluntarist]

former res wrote:

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So you're saying doctors can't help with every single problem?
Ok - fair enough.
I think they would agree.
In family medicine, these patients are known as "The Worried Well."
Also, negative test results don't prove the doc is ineffective.
The doc has an obilgation to "rule out" potentially serious conditions.
If he had missed esophageal cancer, I imagine you'd also have a problem with that.

We are talking about a proper course of treatment and the doctor suggests NOTHING about building up your immune system through proper nutrition because doctors know nothing about nutrition.

[Liam R]

Frijoles wrote:

as I suspected
http://www.livestrong.com/article/110938-appl...
Why Apple Cider Vinegar Works
When a toenail fungus infection occurs, the pH of the surrounding skin and nail becomes more basic or alkaline in nature. The fungus thrives in an alkaline environment. If the pH of the area turns from basic to more acidic, the fungus cannot survive. This is where the apple cider vinegar becomes useful. The vinegar is acidic but still mild enough to not damage the surrounding skin and nail.
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Frijoles note: that is all and good, but unless the vinegar can penetrate the nail bed - you are wasting your time, sadly. As I did.

For full nail bed penetration, just use a stronger acid. Either boil down the apple cider, or go straight for the sulfuric acid!
:)

[Voluntarist]

Frijoles wrote:

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I dont remember. I dont see how that would make a difference. If it was to work, it would be because of the acidity which shouldnt vary.
Do you know what makes apple cider vinegar organic? Lack of fungacides to the apple trees. I would think residual fungacides would help you get rid of a fungus.

apv is used to treat heartburn as well.

[Liam R]

Cult of Reason wrote:

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If alternative treatments work, then it should be easily demonstrated with double-blind scientific studies with control groups using placebos. If the results of the studies show the treatment is effective, it will be very hard for anyone to poo poo it. Unfortunately, many alternative treatments don't hold up to scrutiny, hence why they are poo poo'ed. But I don't expect you to understand any of this given your proclivity to conspiracy theories.

Without the backing of a major pharmaceutical manufacturer, who would pay for the testing?

[Voluntarist]

Cult of Reason wrote:

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If alternative treatments work, then it should be easily demonstrated with double-blind scientific studies with control groups using placebos. If the results of the studies show the treatment is effective, it will be very hard for anyone to poo poo it. Unfortunately, many alternative treatments don't hold up to scrutiny, hence why they are poo poo'ed. But I don't expect you to understand any of this given your proclivity to conspiracy theories.

Tell that to the thousands that have been healed through proper nutrition.

[Voluntarist]

Liam R wrote:

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What doesw that have to do with the treatment of prisoners of war?

It has to do with "enemy combatants ", are you OK with the no fly list? another constitutional violation.

[Voluntarist]

Liam R wrote:

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Ah, no. If 30 million people don't have health care, that IS bad. Very bad. There is something broken with a society that allows that to happen.

Talking about health INSURANCE

[Voluntarist]

Today's food production system systematically reduces
nutrient content resulting in a low nutrient density food. As
a consequence, large sectors of the U.S. population are
becoming chronically deficient in nutrients, and millions are
already afflicted with nutrition related illnesses, from anemia
to cancer, or troubled with undiagnosed symptoms: fatigue,
anxiety, headaches, nervousness, depression, eating or
drinking disorders [The Kellogg Report, 1989]

[Liam R]

Voluntarist wrote:

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It has to do with "enemy combatants ", are you OK with the no fly list? another constitutional violation.

I would be okay with it >>IF<< the government would do a better job trying to keep it up to date and accurate. Like taking names OFF when appropriate.

And show me where in the Constitution there is a guarentee of a right to fly...