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former res

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HughBe wrote:
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Former---"Someone puts himself last,So that you can come first."
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HughBe--- "Someone puts herself last,So that I can come first."
Master HughBe
More like Master Baiter.
former res

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Voluntarist wrote:
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If you are interested in saving the patient money after ruling out life threatening conditions, why not?
The real problem is that doctors aren't trained in the natural area and usually poo poo it.
I'm not sure what you're saying this doctor did wrong.

I knew someone with a similar issue.

They ended up with speech therapy which also covers swalling issues.

(For your poo poo problems, you'll need a good GI man - gastroenterologist.)
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Frijoles wrote:
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I tried soaking my feet everynight in apple cider vinegar for about six months to get rid of toe nail fungus.
Guess what?
It didnt work!(ended up on real drugs - they worked)
It was a nice thought though. I would of rather it did work for the effort it caused me.
Probably Lamisil or Sporanox. With liver function tests first.

I had the latter years ago for a stubborn skin infection on my beard area. Cleared it right up after many months of OTC cream, ointments etc.(Actaully some prescribed by my family doc)

Finally saw an actual dermatologist.
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former res wrote:
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Finally saw an actual dermatologist.
Probably a better move than some of the alternatives, like maggots...

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Voluntarist wrote:
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If you are interested in saving the patient money after ruling out life threatening conditions, why not?
The real problem is that doctors aren't trained in the natural area and usually poo poo it.
If alternative treatments work, then it should be easily demonstrated with double-blind scientific studies with control groups using placebos. If the results of the studies show the treatment is effective, it will be very hard for anyone to poo poo it. Unfortunately, many alternative treatments don't hold up to scrutiny, hence why they are poo poo'ed. But I don't expect you to understand any of this given your proclivity to conspiracy theories.

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Voluntarist wrote:
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what about suspension of habeas corpus?
What doesw that have to do with the treatment of prisoners of war?
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Vinegar is cheap. Didnt dilute it. "Quality" (as you refer to it) doesnt matter as the active ingrediant whould be the acidity. There is no difference between organic and nonorganic in acidity.
Noted. My understanding is that the vinegar with the "MOTHER" in it is better quality.
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former res wrote:
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More like Master Baiter.
No son, Master as in ruler.

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Lets protect the middle class by not raising taxes, stop spending and eliminate government services that the private sector can handle.
But WHAT government services can the private sector actually handle in a manner that makes sure that all citizens can gain equal access to them? FDA? EPA? FAA? Police? Fire? Schools? The private sector can't do any of those properly.

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Without government there is no for profit organization, there is no Medicare there is just men and women interacting.
How were roads paid for before?
How is garbage collection paid for where the city Mafia doesn't provide?
Roads were paid for through the levy of taxes, or a levy of labor, or they didn't get built. Unless you are talking about a small private road running a few dozen yards inside someone's property.

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A volunteer society now answer the question, how does a fictitious entity vote?
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Please provide an actual example of such society.
Hippie communes are (or were) volunteer societies...
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HughBe wrote:
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Noted. My understanding is that the vinegar with the "MOTHER" in it is better quality.
It is, don't listen to the retards, its the liberal schooling.

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Voluntarist wrote:
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If only 30 million out of 330+ don't, that's not bad.
I am OK with freedom of choice, not threat duress or coercion.
Ah, no. If 30 million people don't have health care, that IS bad. Very bad. There is something broken with a society that allows that to happen.

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Voluntarist wrote:
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If you are interested in saving the patient money after ruling out life threatening conditions, why not?
The real problem is that doctors aren't trained in the natural area and usually poo poo it.
That is because a lot of those "natural" cures ARE poo poo...

And the ones that DO happen to work do not have any documentation to prove that they actually work beyond a few anecdotes that easily fall within the margin of the placebo effect.
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former res wrote:
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So you're saying doctors can't help with every single problem?
Ok - fair enough.
I think they would agree.
In family medicine, these patients are known as "The Worried Well."
Also, negative test results don't prove the doc is ineffective.
The doc has an obilgation to "rule out" potentially serious conditions.
If he had missed esophageal cancer, I imagine you'd also have a problem with that.
We are talking about a proper course of treatment and the doctor suggests NOTHING about building up your immune system through proper nutrition because doctors know nothing about nutrition.

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Frijoles wrote:
as I suspected
http://www.livestrong.com/article/110938-appl...
Why Apple Cider Vinegar Works
When a toenail fungus infection occurs, the pH of the surrounding skin and nail becomes more basic or alkaline in nature. The fungus thrives in an alkaline environment. If the pH of the area turns from basic to more acidic, the fungus cannot survive. This is where the apple cider vinegar becomes useful. The vinegar is acidic but still mild enough to not damage the surrounding skin and nail.
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Frijoles note: that is all and good, but unless the vinegar can penetrate the nail bed - you are wasting your time, sadly. As I did.
For full nail bed penetration, just use a stronger acid. Either boil down the apple cider, or go straight for the sulfuric acid!
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I dont remember. I dont see how that would make a difference. If it was to work, it would be because of the acidity which shouldnt vary.
Do you know what makes apple cider vinegar organic? Lack of fungacides to the apple trees. I would think residual fungacides would help you get rid of a fungus.
apv is used to treat heartburn as well.

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If alternative treatments work, then it should be easily demonstrated with double-blind scientific studies with control groups using placebos. If the results of the studies show the treatment is effective, it will be very hard for anyone to poo poo it. Unfortunately, many alternative treatments don't hold up to scrutiny, hence why they are poo poo'ed. But I don't expect you to understand any of this given your proclivity to conspiracy theories.
Without the backing of a major pharmaceutical manufacturer, who would pay for the testing?
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Cult of Reason wrote:
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If alternative treatments work, then it should be easily demonstrated with double-blind scientific studies with control groups using placebos. If the results of the studies show the treatment is effective, it will be very hard for anyone to poo poo it. Unfortunately, many alternative treatments don't hold up to scrutiny, hence why they are poo poo'ed. But I don't expect you to understand any of this given your proclivity to conspiracy theories.
Tell that to the thousands that have been healed through proper nutrition.
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What doesw that have to do with the treatment of prisoners of war?
It has to do with "enemy combatants ", are you OK with the no fly list? another constitutional violation.

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