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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43519 Nov 15, 2012
former res wrote:
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Finally saw an actual dermatologist.
Probably a better move than some of the alternatives, like maggots...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#43520 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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If you are interested in saving the patient money after ruling out life threatening conditions, why not?
The real problem is that doctors aren't trained in the natural area and usually poo poo it.
If alternative treatments work, then it should be easily demonstrated with double-blind scientific studies with control groups using placebos. If the results of the studies show the treatment is effective, it will be very hard for anyone to poo poo it. Unfortunately, many alternative treatments don't hold up to scrutiny, hence why they are poo poo'ed. But I don't expect you to understand any of this given your proclivity to conspiracy theories.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#43530 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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what about suspension of habeas corpus?
What doesw that have to do with the treatment of prisoners of war?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43531 Nov 15, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Vinegar is cheap. Didnt dilute it. "Quality" (as you refer to it) doesnt matter as the active ingrediant whould be the acidity. There is no difference between organic and nonorganic in acidity.
Noted. My understanding is that the vinegar with the "MOTHER" in it is better quality.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43532 Nov 15, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
More like Master Baiter.
No son, Master as in ruler.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#43534 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets protect the middle class by not raising taxes, stop spending and eliminate government services that the private sector can handle.
But WHAT government services can the private sector actually handle in a manner that makes sure that all citizens can gain equal access to them? FDA? EPA? FAA? Police? Fire? Schools? The private sector can't do any of those properly.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#43538 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Without government there is no for profit organization, there is no Medicare there is just men and women interacting.
How were roads paid for before?
How is garbage collection paid for where the city Mafia doesn't provide?
Roads were paid for through the levy of taxes, or a levy of labor, or they didn't get built. Unless you are talking about a small private road running a few dozen yards inside someone's property.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#43539 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
A volunteer society now answer the question, how does a fictitious entity vote?
Frijoles wrote:
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Please provide an actual example of such society.
Hippie communes are (or were) volunteer societies...
Abolish The Fed

United States

#43541 Nov 15, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Noted. My understanding is that the vinegar with the "MOTHER" in it is better quality.
It is, don't listen to the retards, its the liberal schooling.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#43542 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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If only 30 million out of 330+ don't, that's not bad.
I am OK with freedom of choice, not threat duress or coercion.
Ah, no. If 30 million people don't have health care, that IS bad. Very bad. There is something broken with a society that allows that to happen.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#43543 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are interested in saving the patient money after ruling out life threatening conditions, why not?
The real problem is that doctors aren't trained in the natural area and usually poo poo it.
That is because a lot of those "natural" cures ARE poo poo...

And the ones that DO happen to work do not have any documentation to prove that they actually work beyond a few anecdotes that easily fall within the margin of the placebo effect.
Voluntarist

United States

#43544 Nov 15, 2012
former res wrote:
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So you're saying doctors can't help with every single problem?
Ok - fair enough.
I think they would agree.
In family medicine, these patients are known as "The Worried Well."
Also, negative test results don't prove the doc is ineffective.
The doc has an obilgation to "rule out" potentially serious conditions.
If he had missed esophageal cancer, I imagine you'd also have a problem with that.
We are talking about a proper course of treatment and the doctor suggests NOTHING about building up your immune system through proper nutrition because doctors know nothing about nutrition.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#43545 Nov 15, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
as I suspected
http://www.livestrong.com/article/110938-appl...
Why Apple Cider Vinegar Works
When a toenail fungus infection occurs, the pH of the surrounding skin and nail becomes more basic or alkaline in nature. The fungus thrives in an alkaline environment. If the pH of the area turns from basic to more acidic, the fungus cannot survive. This is where the apple cider vinegar becomes useful. The vinegar is acidic but still mild enough to not damage the surrounding skin and nail.
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Frijoles note: that is all and good, but unless the vinegar can penetrate the nail bed - you are wasting your time, sadly. As I did.
For full nail bed penetration, just use a stronger acid. Either boil down the apple cider, or go straight for the sulfuric acid!
:)
Voluntarist

United States

#43546 Nov 15, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont remember. I dont see how that would make a difference. If it was to work, it would be because of the acidity which shouldnt vary.
Do you know what makes apple cider vinegar organic? Lack of fungacides to the apple trees. I would think residual fungacides would help you get rid of a fungus.
apv is used to treat heartburn as well.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#43547 Nov 15, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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If alternative treatments work, then it should be easily demonstrated with double-blind scientific studies with control groups using placebos. If the results of the studies show the treatment is effective, it will be very hard for anyone to poo poo it. Unfortunately, many alternative treatments don't hold up to scrutiny, hence why they are poo poo'ed. But I don't expect you to understand any of this given your proclivity to conspiracy theories.
Without the backing of a major pharmaceutical manufacturer, who would pay for the testing?
Voluntarist

United States

#43548 Nov 15, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
If alternative treatments work, then it should be easily demonstrated with double-blind scientific studies with control groups using placebos. If the results of the studies show the treatment is effective, it will be very hard for anyone to poo poo it. Unfortunately, many alternative treatments don't hold up to scrutiny, hence why they are poo poo'ed. But I don't expect you to understand any of this given your proclivity to conspiracy theories.
Tell that to the thousands that have been healed through proper nutrition.
Voluntarist

United States

#43550 Nov 15, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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What doesw that have to do with the treatment of prisoners of war?
It has to do with "enemy combatants ", are you OK with the no fly list? another constitutional violation.
Voluntarist

United States

#43551 Nov 15, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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Ah, no. If 30 million people don't have health care, that IS bad. Very bad. There is something broken with a society that allows that to happen.
Talking about health INSURANCE
Voluntarist

United States

#43553 Nov 15, 2012
Today's food production system systematically reduces
nutrient content resulting in a low nutrient density food. As
a consequence, large sectors of the U.S. population are
becoming chronically deficient in nutrients, and millions are
already afflicted with nutrition related illnesses, from anemia
to cancer, or troubled with undiagnosed symptoms: fatigue,
anxiety, headaches, nervousness, depression, eating or
drinking disorders [The Kellogg Report, 1989]

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#43554 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
It has to do with "enemy combatants ", are you OK with the no fly list? another constitutional violation.
I would be okay with it >>IF<< the government would do a better job trying to keep it up to date and accurate. Like taking names OFF when appropriate.

And show me where in the Constitution there is a guarentee of a right to fly...

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