Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

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Nov 2, 2012
 
hopefully, I will be back later.
Frijoles

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Nov 2, 2012
 
..and I dedicate this softball post to SEASIDE - in an effort to be fair and balanced regarding propaganda machines....


‘SEAL Team Six’ on National Geographic

http://tv.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/arts/televis...

“SEAL Team Six” is a fictionalized account of the real-life operation to track down Osama bin Laden, but it looks a lot like a Republican recruitment film written by Dick Cheney.

The only problem is that the president who ordered the daring manhunt is Barack Obama.

So conservatives have every reason to be irked by the message and timing of “SEAL Team Six,” which tells the story in a fake-documentary style and is scheduled to be shown on the National Geographic Channel on Sunday night, two days before the election.(It will also be available on Netflix, beginning on Monday.)

Harvey Weinstein, one of Mr. Obama’s most loyal Hollywood backers, is an executive producer,....
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#42711
Nov 2, 2012
 
Frijoles wrote:
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It really is an alternate universe in FOX land.
In the rest of the world, everyone is talking about global warming (science?? could it be?).
Lets look at the stupidity of the FOX playbook. Ok, they whip the base into a frenzy. So what? They are not going to get any independents who care.
Birtherism.
Very true. Anyone who watches Fox exclusively has a warped view of things.

Even more than the support for Obama I was happy about the attention Bloomberg's announcement put on climate change.

And this is not some nut. The guy is practical and successful businessman, not to mention an even-handed, respected, and pragmatic pol.
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Nov 2, 2012
 
Frijoles wrote:
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Yes, it is the same Nate Silver from the baseball stat world. He is my hero - I took a lot of stats back in grad school so I appreciate what he is trying to do - cut through the noise using intelligence rather than politics.
He is nonpartisan - someone who for the fun of it got into sport stats, and then decided last year to apply the same approach to polling. No skin in the game. Pure logic and analysis of ALL the data. Goes into EVERY contingency. Does not shy away from anything. Right now he is focused on the swing states, and he decided that the leads are permanent.
The FOXERs would be apoplectic. Data? Reason? Wheres the spin?
Those folks hate facts!

yep I saw him on Bill Maher last Friday and somewhere else and he went all through what they were doing in the swing states - anyalysis-wise. Fascinating.

And I want to believe. Just can't handle another crushing disappointment al la 2000 or 2004.

I'm like a broken-hearted school girl. I need to protect my feelings!:))
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Nov 2, 2012
 
Frijoles wrote:
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Parents have one and are using it. This is the first storm. They are now having trouble getting propane delivered to feed it, so not everything is always perfect is lala land.
yeah many (depending where one lives) are natural gas-powered too.

And sis told me they cut off the gas in parts of town. so as not to end up like Queens. bubbles/fires

guess the only thing you can rely on is your own supply of wood or coal
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Nov 2, 2012
 
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Thinking about picking up a portable generator after this ordeal. Neighbor swears by his Honda EU2000, and it's super quite.
get the electrician to hardwire it into a couple of circuts: furnace; fridge; a few lights etc. He'll know its capacity so as not to overload.

my sister says she runs hers a few hours here and there on and off. she's very conscientious and won't refill it (with gasoline) when hot - I said yup I know from years of mowing lawns -
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Nov 2, 2012
 
Frijoles wrote:
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AFter this storm I'd imagine that just about EVERYONE in the north side of town will be investing in the large stationary ones. Now, probably a third already have one. The generator retailers should be ecstatic.
I looked on HOme depot site.

I bet those big ones installed are upwards of $10K from what I saw.

Then it's basically seamless from power to back-up. and you can even run your central air.

They even test themselves monthly to make sure they still work.
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Nov 2, 2012
 
Frijoles wrote:
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of interest:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/1...
The Pew Research Center is out with a new report today looking at media coverage of the presidential campaign since this summer's conventions. It's got plenty of worthwhile tidbits and newsy nuggets, but the one that jumped out at us right away was this snapshot of just how segmented and partisan (and negative) cable news has been this election cycle:
The study ... reveals the degree to which the two cable channels that have built themselves around ideological programming, MSNBC and Fox, stand out from other mainstream media outlets. And MSNBC stands out the most. On that channel, 71% of the segments studied about Romney were negative in nature, compared with just 3% that were positive-a ratio of roughly 23-to-1. On Fox, 46% of the segments about Obama were negative, compared with 6% that were positive-a ratio of about 8-to-1 negative. These made them unusual among channels or outlets that identified themselves as news organizations.
Well...they can't really be held responsible if accuracy and truthfulness happens to equate to negativity!:0

But seriously, I get turned off by extremists on both sides, Several of the MSNBC hosts rub me the wrong way: Ed Schultz, Martin Bashar, and many of their guests too.

At least Bill Maher and Jon Stewart give it to Obama too. Maher accused the prez of spending his million dollar campaign donation on weed after that first debate.

Clearly I'm biased, but I don't see how one can honestly cover Romany without sounding negative. He personifies everything wrong with politics and politicians.

They guy has no core set of values whatsoever.
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No flooding damage, just a lot of downed trees. Beaches are still blocked off to cars, but not much to see other than parking lots buried in sand.
They finally cleared the tree off the wires on my street this morning. Hopefully, that's a sign that they will be repairing soon. Supposed to get in the 30's tonight.
rabbee: so sandy lived up, to her name? and sand you, a message? sanding on, your own two feet? sandy-claws, came to town?

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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: so sandy lived up, to her name? and sand you, a message? sanding on, your own two feet? sandy-claws, came to town?
Very punny.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

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Very punny.
rabbee: well if you, can't run it in then humbly punt.
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former res wrote:
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I looked on HOme depot site.
I bet those big ones installed are upwards of $10K from what I saw.
Then it's basically seamless from power to back-up. and you can even run your central air.
They even test themselves monthly to make sure they still work.
Part of the issue is that the prices are very variable, once you take into account installation, permits, and demand. I have heard quotes from 5 to 25k.
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former res wrote:
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yeah many (depending where one lives) are natural gas-powered too.
And sis told me they cut off the gas in parts of town. so as not to end up like Queens. bubbles/fires
guess the only thing you can rely on is your own supply of wood or coal
The old types of wood burners are now banned here.
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The old types of wood burners are now banned here.
Say hello to Nanny when you see him. ;)
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Nov 2, 2012
 
UticaSux wrote:
Hmmm
i am a christian. And i feel the same thing. I don't like anybody messing with my faith. So I am giving them the same break. It's cruel when someone messes with matters of faith.

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Nov 2, 2012
 
Now We Believe That Japanese Imperial Clan Is Jews

http://book.geocities.jp/japan_conspiracy/010...

And unfortunately, the rest of the Japanese are actually slaves who are completely under the mind control.
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Nov 2, 2012
 
Eliezer wrote:
Some messianic "Jews" may have been born to Jewish mothers, hence that would make them technically Jewish. But their hodge podge of Christianity with a slight seasoning of Judaism can hardly be called "Jewish", and certainly not a part of Judaism. They are practicing Christian evangelism, and trying to paint it as being Jewish.
We in Israel are NOT the US, nor should we be judged by US laws and values. We also aren't Saudi Arabia or some other backward Arab country. We ARE a Jewish State, founded as a homeland for the Jewish people. We should be allowed to determine for ourselves whether we want to be forced to allow evangelical Christians, proseletising Muslems, adamant Buddhists, or any other religion to attempt to convert our people. We tolerate and even support normative Christian and Muslim practice here, but trying to convert Jews to other religions in our homeland would be not far from kidnapping the Pope in Rome, and forcing him to pray 5 times a day to Allah.

That said, a bomb is NOT an acceptable tool in any form of religious debate, no matte who's side I'm on. The perpetrators should be prosecuted, and the penalty is stiff here (western style). But keep these christian fanatics claiming to be jews away, we don't need them.
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I think you make the same mistake as so many people do. They consider religion as a sort of label that is posted on the forehead of a person when he or she is born.

In reality a man becomes a member of any religious group when he or she acts according to the tenets of that religion.

A Messianic Jew is not who is born of a certain group of male and female. A messianic Jew is one who believes that Jesus was a Messiah and he also follows the Law of Moses.

A Messianic Jew is therefore True Jew and a True Christian merged into one.

This is the Qualitative definition of a Messianic Jew as per my limited understanding, then you can always say that I am a Novice in these matters.

May be I am!!
MUQ

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Nov 2, 2012
 
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I gave them to you. Fundamental law of nature says that people are to seek peace. When they are unable to do that on their own, that man must be willing to lay down the right to all things, and be content with so much liberty against other men, as he would allow other men against himself. The laying down of those rights is the formation of government. Read Hobbes sometime.

The people of the US said that they were lay down some of their rights to create a limited central government reserving to themselves all other power. The people of CT utilized those reserved rights to create a very unlimited form of government by a vote of the people. They reserved to themselves the authority to amend that government.
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I say that you spoke a very fundamental truth here… that people agree to "give away a part of their rights" to form a nation and / or a society.

That is the fundamental truth, no human society can exist where there is "absolute freedom" for thoughts and actions. There has to be a limit on them.

And what holds true for a nation also holds true for every religion. To give up a part of your freedom to align yourself with the teachings of a religion is what makes you member of that religious group.

How strange is that same people justify "surrender of their rights" to form a nation and then they "ridicule" the idea why religions asks people to surrender the same!!

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I think you make the same mistake as so many people do. They consider religion as a sort of label that is posted on the forehead of a person when he or she is born.
In reality a man becomes a member of any religious group when he or she acts according to the tenets of that religion.
A Messianic Jew is not who is born of a certain group of male and female. A messianic Jew is one who believes that Jesus was a Messiah and he also follows the Law of Moses.
A Messianic Jew is therefore True Jew and a True Christian merged into one.
This is the Qualitative definition of a Messianic Jew as per my limited understanding, then you can always say that I am a Novice in these matters.
May be I am!!
There is no such thing as a Messianic Jew. The Law of Moses doesn't count. Jesus instituted the NEW Covanant, to love. Cornilious was the first Gentile to join the 1st century christians.
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Nov 2, 2012
 
Gee - I wonder if Mayor Bloomberg has any credibility outside the Northeast....

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/nyc-mar...

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2012/11...

I would think common decency would dictate getting the dead people and animals taken care of before having a marathon. Bloomberg has a serious emotional disconnect - at least he caved on this ludicrous idea (probably for the wrong reasons.)

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