Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

[Voluntarist]

Eric wrote:

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I just read the CT constitution. There is no general welfare clause.

I thought you were supposed to be an attorney ding dong.
Its in the US Constitution.

[Voluntarist]

Frijoles wrote:

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He also receives curbside garbage, recyling, leaf pickup, fire and police protection, snow removal, etc etc. But yet he believes it is unconstitutional.

Your evidence that I receive such things ?

Police are supposed to protect individual rights, that would be in alignment with the purpose of government.

[Frijoles]

Voluntarist wrote:

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Your evidence that I receive such things ?
Police are supposed to protect individual rights, that would be in alignment with the purpose of government.

You live in Darien, Mike. Trust me, you receive such things.

[Frijoles]

Voluntarist wrote:

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I thought you were supposed to be an attorney ding dong.
Its in the US Constitution.

You (and I) were talking about the State.

[Voluntarist]

Frijoles wrote:

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You live in Darien, Mike. Trust me, you receive such things.

Your evidence that I live in Darien?

[Voluntarist]

Frijoles wrote:

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You (and I) were talking about the State.

There is a statute in regards to social programs, LOTS of it is implementing federal programs /funds, that is federal.

[Cult of Reason]

Frijoles wrote:

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Dog knows better than to go on a walk. We lost power briefly twice already (no doubt part of FRs sisters event)- at the rate the wind is blowing I doubt we will last through the evening without loosing it for real. I am watching trees going horizontal. I know about stir crazy - day care closed until further notice. According to "suggested" evac (not the mandatory evac), you should be gone by now, as well as the entire downtown.

Just lost power. Tree down on power line five houses down from me. I don't anticipate restoration for at least a couple days.

[Voluntarist]

Franklin wrote a whole essay on the subject and told one of his
friends:“I have long been of your opinion, that your legal
provision for the poor (in England ) is a very great evil, operating
as it does to the encouragement of idleness. We have followed
your example, and begin now to see our error, and, I hope, shall
reform it.”
A survey of Franklin ’s views on counterproductive compassion
might be summarized as follows:
1. Compassion which gives a drunk the means to increase his
drunkenness is counterproductive.
2. Compassion which breeds debilitating dependency and weakness
is counterproductive.
3. Compassion which blunts the desire or necessity to work for a
living is counterproductive.
4. Compassion which smothers the instinct to strive and excel is
counterproductive.

[Voluntarist]

Highlights from their writings suggest the following:
1. Do not completely care for the needy–merely help them to help
themselves.
2. Give the poor the satisfaction of “earned achievement” instead of
rewarding them without achievement.
3. Allow the poor to climb the “appreciation ladder”–from tents to
cabins, cabins to cottages, cottages to comfortable houses.
4. Where emergency help is provided, do not prolong it to the point
where it becomes habitual.
5. Strictly enforce the scale of “fixed responsibility.” The first and
foremost level of responsibility is with the individual himself; the
second level is the family; then the church; next the community;
finally the county, and, in a disaster or emergency, the state.
Under no circumstances was the federal government to become
involved in public welfare. The Founders felt it would corrupt the
government and also the poor. No constitutional authority exists
for the federal government to participate in so-called social
welfare programs.(Making of America p 218-220)
The U. S. Constitution states in Article I, section 8: The people of
the states empower the Congress to expend money (for the
enumerated purposes listed in Article I, section 8), provided it is
done in a way that benefits the general welfare of the whole
people. Thomas Jefferson explained that this clause was not a
grant of power to “spend” for the general welfare of the people,
but was intended to “limit the power of taxation” to matters
which provided for the welfare of “the Union ” or the welfare of
the whole nation. In other words, federal taxes could not be
levied for states, countries, cities, or special interest groups.
(Making of America p 387)

[Voluntarist]

The Court unlawfully laid the foundation for what turned out to
be an amendment to the Constitution in the 1936 Butler case,
where “general welfare” was twisted to allow “special welfare”,
and the federal budget jumped from six billion to six hundred
billion in one generation.(Making of America p 255) Should the
Federal Government be involved in Social Welfare, you be the
judge.

[Frijoles]

Voluntarist wrote:

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Your evidence that I live in Darien?

Your former name was Madman Mike - URL was Darien. "You can run but you can't hide..."

[Frijoles]

Cult of Reason wrote:

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Just lost power. Tree down on power line five houses down from me. I don't anticipate restoration for at least a couple days.

Juts when I think the wind cant get more brutal, it does. I just got the candles together,.

[Eric]

Voluntarist wrote:

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I thought you were supposed to be an attorney ding dong.
Its in the US Constitution.

Frijoles was talking about state constitution and services, not Federal.

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Frijoles wrote:
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and where in the CT Constitution is snow removal, leaf pickup, recycling and garbage, fire safety, or ems?
Do have a shrine to your Constitution? Do you leave fruit?

Your response:
The much abused promote the general welfare clause.

Note the words CT Constitution.

There is no general welfare clause in the "CT Constitution". I was surprised as to the brevity of the document and the lack of overall specificity.

[Voluntarist]

Frijoles wrote:

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Your former name was Madman Mike - URL was Darien. "You can run but you can't hide..."

Just because URL says darien doesn't mean that I am in darien , also doesn't mean that I live in darien.

[Voluntarist]

Frijoles wrote:

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Juts when I think the wind cant get more brutal, it does. I just got the candles together,.

I just travelled through beltown, springdale and high ridge road, the roads are a Tad bit messy, downed limbs and lines.

[Voluntarist]

Eric wrote:

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Frijoles was talking about state constitution and services, not Federal.
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Frijoles wrote:
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and where in the CT Constitution is snow removal, leaf pickup, recycling and garbage, fire safety, or ems?
Do have a shrine to your Constitution? Do you leave fruit?
Your response:
The much abused promote the general welfare clause.
Note the words CT Constitution.
There is no general welfare clause in the "CT Constitution". I was surprised as to the brevity of the document and the lack of overall specificity.

The dss was created through statute implementing the federal welfare.
There are many states with general welfare clauses, CT is ingrained in statute.

[SeasideSoon]

former res wrote:

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You make no sense.
Look at troop levels.
http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/22/c...
Did you forget about the surge?

No, did you forget whose whose surge it was?

Bush focused less on Afghanistan after the Taliban had mostly left for Pakistan. Then in 2009, Obama sent 30,000 more troops..I guess his intelligence sources weren't any better then than today.
All the while, he's surging up in Afghanistan, and OBL was holed up in Pakistan. So it took 30,000 more troops in Afghan to figure out that OBL wasn't even there. Amazing..can't make this stuff up.

[SeasideSoon]

former res wrote:

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Wrong again, sweetie!
"(Reuters)- Long famous for its top-notch highways and passion for cars, the United States is letting bridges rust as traffic chokes overburdened roads, threatening a pillar of its economic strength...
....The United States has fallen sharply in the World Economic Forum's ranking of national infrastructure systems. In the forum's 2007-2008 report, American infrastructure was ranked 6th best in the world.
The 2011-2012 report due in September will show America at No. 16, with South Korea overtaking the United States during the last year, according to a copy of the rankings obtained by Reuters.
The quality of American roads is about on par with those of Malaysia. They lag Hong Kong, whose infrastructure tops the overall list..."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/16/uk-...

Wrong about what? I didn't bring up roads and bridges - MadMax did. My only comment was that something happened to the stimulus money, cause it sure didn't get used on R&B.

[TJ Monk]

SeasideSoon wrote:

<quoted text>You don't appear too neglected. Obama's unemployment has increased in all sectors of society, especially in his pet groups. The stimulus should've rebuilt thousands of bridges. It's the economy stupid.
" Recovery.gov counted and the amount of jobs stimulus created under 751,000.... In the areas that saw gains, most of them were because of government jobs.... workers make 60% more than the private sector and four times as much in benefits"
..like we need more government employees.

TOOL....Rep will increase taxes on middle and low people. Giving tax relief to the 2% rich. Your an idiot to vote Republican. Businesses should be taxed 30% TOOL. They have loads of flexability, not like middle folks. Dumb TOOL PLUS...Obama will not start stupid wars on credit. AS--SSS--Hole

[SeasideSoon]

former res wrote:

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" I don't believe in extorting money from someone else to support the causes I believe in."
Really?
Does this apply to military spending? Defense and support of Israel?

No, I mean like Flukey's contraceptives and abortions. I really don't care if people have abortions - it's kinda creepy, but then I wouldn't tell anybody that they can't have an abortion if it's what they really really want.(or need).
I'll bet it's a Republican plot to come out against abortions just so Democrats will whine about it and get more of them. A devious Demographic plot against Democrats. How clever.

And also I mean like Egypt,Libya,Turkey, and all those other countries with which we have no RECIPROCAL agreements. In other words, take the money please,(how do you think Mubarak got so rich?) and then puleeze be nice to us. That's our normal foreign aid strategy. Is this so difficult to comprehend??

Let me explain it once more about Israel. Of the aid we send, over 85% MUST be SPENT HERE in purchasing goods and services of U.S companies which keeps people working here. This is probably the 50th time I've pointed this out here and elsewhere to anti-Israel types. Not that you are, just saying.

Military - last I looked, a standing army and the support thereof was still in the constitution. Of course, it's been a while since I checked, and Obama's still in office, so it might've changed.

Anyway - now that I've had my say..take care and be safe up there.