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Frijoles

North Haven, CT

#42003 Oct 17, 2012
former res wrote:
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If he lied about the little things, no surprise he's now lyng about the big things.
Fox News - 2007:
"I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life," he said this week in Keene, N.H., to a man sporting a National Rifle Association cap.
Yet the former Massachusetts governor's hunting experience is limited to two trips at the bookends of his 60 years: as a 15-year-old, when he hunted rabbits with his cousins on a ranch in Idaho, and last year, when he shot quail on a fenced game preserve in Georgia.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264026,00...
Have you ever "hunted" quail or seen them in the wild? I am not sure that this should even be considered really hunting.

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#42004 Oct 17, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Have you ever "hunted" quail or seen them in the wild? I am not sure that this should even be considered really hunting.
Harry Whittington my disagree with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunt...
former res

Broomall, PA

#42005 Oct 17, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Most are. And what's important to remember is that the religion they believe in (without evidence) IS anti-gay, thus providing the adherents with an excuse to hate or discriminate.
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Not my experience. Islam, Chrianity, Judaism - all officially anti-gay. Said so. No one needs an excuse to hate. Likewise not everyone espouses every aspect of their faith. For exampele, most Christians I know are pro-choice. But then again, i don't live in the Bible belt.

My point all along being - don't judge a whole group by the more extreme elements.

That's how we had such a ignorant backlash the proposed Mosque near Ground Zero.
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I would say the Abrahamic religions (especially Christianity and Islam)goes well beyond not embracing it. They outright abhor it.
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Same with Judaism, per my quoted passages. Though clearly most pratctioners don't feel that way.
Cult of Reason wrote:
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You are referring to modernized and fully acclimated moderate Muslims living in the Western world. I would hazard to guess that these are not representative of the Muslim viewpoint worldwide, particularly in the more theocratic countries.
At some point, even the moderates have to deal with the cognitive dissonance of their religion telling them one thing, and them pragmatically thinking differently about it. Either their religion is wrong, or they are.
I don't think there is any one Muslim veiwpoint worldwide. Clearly there is a wide range of beliefs and practices - from suicide bombers to at least one member of the US Congress.

As Frijole pointed, the religious will often pick and choose what to follow and what not to - Jews and shellfish for example. And this:

Catholics for Choice stated in 1998 that 96% of U.S. Catholic women had used contraceptives at some point in their lives and that 72% of Catholics believed that one could be a good Catholic without obeying the Church's teaching on birth control.[33] According to a nationwide poll of 2,242 U.S. adults surveyed online in September 2005 by Harris Interactive (they stated that the magnitude of errors cannot be estimated due to sampling errors, non-response,etc.), 90% of Catholics supported the use of birth control/contraceptives.[34]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_...

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#42006 Oct 17, 2012
CORRECTION: MIGHT disagree with you
former res

Broomall, PA

#42007 Oct 17, 2012
Attitudes of Christians towards abortion

Catholics

A majority of U.S. and Australian Catholics hold different views that differ from the official doctrine of their church. In a 1995 survey, 64% of U.S. Catholics say they disapprove of the statement that "abortion is morally wrong in every case".[39] A 2008 survey found that 65% of American Catholics identified themselves as "pro-choice" but also found that 76% of these "pro-choice" Catholics believed that abortion should be significantly restricted.[67] Some 58% of American Catholic women feel that they do not have to follow the abortion teaching of their bishop.[68] Only 22% of U.S. Catholics agree with their church that abortion should be illegal in all cases.[69]

A 1996 survey found that 72% of Australian Catholics say that the decision to have an abortion "should be left to individual women and their doctors."[39]

Protestants

According to a 2002 survey conducted by the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research, fundamentalist Christians are more likely to be pro-life than all other respondents, including mainline Protestants. Twenty-eight percent of fundamentalists thought abortion should be illegal even if there was a strong chance of birth defects whereas only nine percent of mainline Protestants held the same opinion. Seventy percent of fundamentalists felt that the desire not to have more children was not a sufficient justification for having an abortion while mainline Protestants were almost evenly divided on this question. However, an overwhelming majority of both fundamentalists and mainline Protestants indicated that they would support abortion in cases where the pregnancy endangered the mother's life.[70]

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/greenwich-ct/...
former res

Broomall, PA

#42008 Oct 17, 2012
Note what this means for 40% of Evangelicals:

51% of the general public in the United States think that "homosexual behavior" is morally wrong (38% "completely agreeing" it is morally wrong and 13% "somewhat agreeing"). Males and people over 65 years old are more likely to think it is wrong. Among people who don't know someone who is LGB, 61% think the behavior is wrong. Broken down by religion, 60% of evangelical Christians think that it is wrong, whereas 11% with no religious affiliation are against it. 57% of the general public think that gays and lesbians experience a lot of prejudice and discrimination, making it the group most believed to experience prejudice and discrimination.(Black Americans come in second at 42%).[133]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_attitud...

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#42009 Oct 17, 2012
former res wrote:
Attitudes of Christians towards abortion
Catholics
A majority of U.S. and Australian Catholics hold different views that differ from the official doctrine of their church. In a 1995 survey, 64% of U.S. Catholics say they disapprove of the statement that "abortion is morally wrong in every case".[39] A 2008 survey found that 65% of American Catholics identified themselves as "pro-choice" but also found that 76% of these "pro-choice" Catholics believed that abortion should be significantly restricted.[67] Some 58% of American Catholic women feel that they do not have to follow the abortion teaching of their bishop.[68] Only 22% of U.S. Catholics agree with their church that abortion should be illegal in all cases.[69]
A 1996 survey found that 72% of Australian Catholics say that the decision to have an abortion "should be left to individual women and their doctors."[39]
Protestants
According to a 2002 survey conducted by the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research, fundamentalist Christians are more likely to be pro-life than all other respondents, including mainline Protestants. Twenty-eight percent of fundamentalists thought abortion should be illegal even if there was a strong chance of birth defects whereas only nine percent of mainline Protestants held the same opinion. Seventy percent of fundamentalists felt that the desire not to have more children was not a sufficient justification for having an abortion while mainline Protestants were almost evenly divided on this question. However, an overwhelming majority of both fundamentalists and mainline Protestants indicated that they would support abortion in cases where the pregnancy endangered the mother's life.[70]
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/greenwich-ct/...
Again, cognitive dissonance. How long before people realize the church is full of sh...er, malarky, and start packing.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#42010 Oct 17, 2012
I was just reading about birds and mammals.
In particular chickens and humans and how they corrolate.
But that brought me to some old theories.
Suddenly i understood how the muslim's promiscues behaviour worked.
see page 601 and 602.

MUQ, me laddie, yer prophet was an animal.
http://academic.reed.edu/biology/professors/s...
Frijoles

North Haven, CT

#42011 Oct 17, 2012
former res wrote:
Note what this means for 40% of Evangelicals:
There has been a lot written lately about how the liberal wing of the evangelicals are starting to reaffirm their voices. Theidea is to delink the notion of Conservative with the notion of evangelical. Especially in environmental issues, so I wouldnt think it would be stretch to to see this in other issues as well. Remember, in latin America and other parts of the world, the clergy are (or were) seen as the radicals.

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#42012 Oct 17, 2012
Yesterday my sleep got interrupted by an attempt at burglary, so i was awake to find that sexist pigs are not dead and gone by a long shot.
Hearing Romney say: "We put all the women we got in the binder."
He could have certainly phrased that differently!
So it is symptomatic for an ingrown mentality and thought-pattern of thinking and talking desparaging about women.

New lock plus a gate, so now i can sleep uninterrupted again.
Frijoles

North Haven, CT

#42013 Oct 17, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Again, cognitive dissonance. How long before people realize the church is full of sh...er, malarky, and start packing.
Dont underestimate people's emotional ties to the institution.

You should read this Dan Savage's Mom in her response to her son coming out. She was a devout Catholic, and agressively supported her son. And her son is as well.

"....But my mom went directly to her priest, Father Tom, called him over and sat down on the porch swing and told Father Tom the news that I was gay or had told her that I was gay and she wanted to know what to doand it makes me cry every time I talk about itbut Father Tom put his hand on my mothers knee and said,Judy, I'm gay. And came out to my mother at that moment just as I had come out to my mother the day before.

And that helped my mother so much because she Tom was a good friend and Tom was like one of ourWe were so Catholic we had priests. He was one of our priests, right?and for him to do that for me at that moment really kind of nullified some of my anger at the Catholic Church because that did help my mother and he told her it was better for me to be out and gay than to live the way that he had lived and I was on the verge of living the way he had lived. I was thinking about being a priest so I could be closeted all my life and then I realized I could live in a big house and wear dresses and f*** boys without being a priest..."

http://bigthink.com/ideas/24734

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#42014 Oct 17, 2012
thought-pattern of thinking...

Sleep is so important!
Reminds me also of the expression: a thinking mistake. is such a thing possible?
Back to the former one.
What if people have no more flexibility. Then we are bound to find their thinking, forced to follow patterns that are consisting of ingrained thoughts.
Frijoles

North Haven, CT

#42015 Oct 17, 2012
MAAT wrote:
Yesterday my sleep got interrupted by an attempt at burglary, so i was awake to find that sexist pigs are not dead and gone by a long shot.
Hearing Romney say: "We put all the women we got in the binder."
He could have certainly phrased that differently!
So it is symptomatic for an ingrown mentality and thought-pattern of thinking and talking desparaging about women.
New lock plus a gate, so now i can sleep uninterrupted again.
That comment went viral.

There are already some great cartoons on this.

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#42017 Oct 17, 2012
Cognitive viruses

1. exaggerating
2. overgeneralizing
3. oversimplifying
4. extremism
5. overcertainty
6. negative guessing
7. self-defeating conclusions
8. false implications
9. choosing the worst possible explanation
10. false helplessness
11. false hopelessness
12. shoulds and musts
13. misplacing responsibility
14. focusing too narrowly
15. harmful judging
16. asking unanswerable questions
17. bias for confirmation
18. using emotions as evidence
19. dismissing facts
20. ignoring alternatives
21. assuming
22. negative bias

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#42018 Oct 17, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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That comment went viral.
There are already some great cartoons on this.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2012/10/17/...
Indeed. I made a typo first: cartons :)
I like the one of Romney with the inset look of the young lady.

The more i see, the harder it is to believe that republicans choose this person as their best options.
Something dreadfull is going on over the pond!

I'm not going to wonder about it -the poll here shows Obama 58% well ahead- after a busy day arranging, i'm going to do some relaxing reading. So take care folks and check your locks!

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#42019 Oct 17, 2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-...
Some of the comments really hit home.

Can Romney manage even one thought that does not need reinterpretation and brushing up by Ryan.

The next dabate is all about foreign affairs.
I wonder whether a gagging order will be imposed on Romney. He's capable of blurting out state-secrets.
former res

Broomall, PA

#42020 Oct 17, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Again, cognitive dissonance. How long before people realize the church is full of sh...er, malarky, and start packing.
The ones I know have no intention of leaving the church.

"I won't let them run me out," is more or less the refrain I hear.

It's like a loved one who may be a pain in the axs but you still love him/her.
Jim

Richmond, VA

#42021 Oct 17, 2012
I just wanted to say that it is so wonderful that Messianic Judiasm is literally being found all over the world, and people are realizing that a Jewish believer in Yeshua is a completed Jew. Although there is persecution in Israel and other parts of the world, God is opening the eyes of people in miraculous ways. Check out some great new Messianic artists and songs at http://www.newfaithfavorites.com .
Frijoles

North Haven, CT

#42022 Oct 17, 2012
Another reason to avoid Glen Allen, VA.
Frijoles

North Haven, CT

#42023 Oct 17, 2012
former res wrote:
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If he lied about the little things, no surprise he's now lyng about the big things.
ROMNEY: Thank you. An important topic, and one which I learned a great deal about, particularly as I was serving as governor of my state, because I had the chance to pull together a cabinet and all the applicants seemed to be men.

And I -- and I went to my staff, and I said, "How come all the people for these jobs are -- are all men." They said, "Well, these are the people that have the qualifications." And I said, "Well, gosh, can't we -- can't we find some -- some women that are also qualified?"

And -- and so we -- we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet.

I went to a number of women's groups and said, "Can you help us find folks," and they brought us whole binders full of women...."


http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolit...

"Not a true story.

What actually happened was that in 2002 -- prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration -- a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I've checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I've just presented it is correct -- and that Romney's claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false...:"

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