Are the Latino-Obsessed Monopolizing This Forum?

Created by Ocean View on Apr 21, 2011

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Whatstheanswer

United States

#1 Apr 22, 2011
I believe that "Latino obsessed" and "gang violence obcessed" are two different issues..

Not all of us who rant against gangbangers are disdainful of Latinos as a group..

Solve the gangbanger situation and only then does this thread become meaningful..
Banger Task Force

Salinas, CA

#2 Apr 22, 2011
Whats The Answer wrote:
I believe that "Latino obsessed" and "gang violence obsessed" are two different issues..
Not all of us who rant against gangbangers are disdainful of Latinos as a group..
Solve the gangbanger situation and only then does this thread become meaningful..
Here..Here!! OV has a bad habit of twisting what I post. I will repeat for OV, I guess his memory is fading. Some of my best friends are of Mexican descent. It is the criminal Gang Bangers and the irresponsible Mexican parents who have too many children. Those unguided children supervised by grandma turn into gang bangers, the gang bangers who will break into your home, steal your car or kill your family member with a stray bullet. The gang bangers who raid state funds to pay for their legal fees, medical bills after a shoot out, jail fees, prisons costs and even the costs to put them in the ground. I admire the Mexican citizens who contributed to society....
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#3 Apr 22, 2011
Banger Task Force wrote:
<quoted text> ... Some of my best friends are of Mexican descent. It is the criminal Gang Bangers and the irresponsible Mexican parents who have too many children. Those unguided children supervised by grandma turn into gang bangers, the gang bangers who will break into your home, steal your car or kill your family member with a stray bullet. The gang bangers who raid state funds to pay for their legal fees, medical bills after a shoot out, jail fees, prisons costs and even the costs to put them in the ground. I admire the Mexican citizens who contributed to society....
While having friends "of Mexican descent" is a much more respectful way of referring to certain people in general than lumping every Latino or Spanish-surnamed individual into the the category of being "Mexican" (especially when the great majority of "gang-bangers" are in fact American citizens), apparently the term "Mexican descent" applies only to those some choose to respect, regardless of the nationality of their parents, while the single word "Mexican" is constantly being used here only in a disparaging manner or context, even when it is inaccurate.

In addition, laying blame for gang activity/involvement on the ineffectuality of extended family discipline, especially las abuelas, strikes me as just another way of indicting an entire culture, rather than specifically addressing a known circumstance. Otherwise, I would expect that there would be an outreach effort to train/educate/employ Latino grandmothers as a means of addressing/preventing gang recruitment.

Meanwhile, I am perplexed by the comment "I admire the Mexican citizens who contributed to society," if in actuality this refers to Americans of Mexican descent. If so, I would think that more respect would be given to the use of the word "Mexican" in other contexts than I see evidenced in these threads, and a clear distinction would be made between career miscreants and the Latino citizen whose child gets hit by a car, a tragedy which can befall anyone.
Whatstheanswer

United States

#4 Apr 24, 2011
OV...

As respectfully as possible, I have two comments..

1... After reading your postings in thread after thread, I would have to include you as "Latino Obsessed"..Pleading bias against all Latino's shows an obsession on your part..

2... While you discount every posters attempt to make you understand that it is NOT the Latino populace being railed against but the Latino gangbanger, you have yet to post posible solution to THAT problem..
Banger Patrol

Salinas, CA

#5 Apr 24, 2011
Whats The Answer wrote:
OV...
As respectfully as possible, I have two comments..
1... After reading your postings in thread after thread, I would have to include you as "Latino Obsessed"..Pleading bias against all Latinos shows an obsession on your part..
2... While you discount every posters attempt to make you understand that it is NOT the Latino populace being railed against but the Latino gangbanger, you have yet to post posible solution to THAT problem..
Thank You! I have been trying to get this concept into O Vs liberal brain for a while now. Maybe your input will help. I believe he is a hopeless case, we will see. He twists what he reads....Chubby Checkers "Twistin the Night Away" O V
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#6 Apr 29, 2011
Whatstheanswer wrote:
OV...
As respectfully as possible, I have two comments..
1... After reading your postings in thread after thread, I would have to include you as "Latino Obsessed"..Pleading bias against all Latino's shows an obsession on your part..
2... While you discount every posters attempt to make you understand that it is NOT the Latino populace being railed against but the Latino gangbanger, you have yet to post posible solution to THAT problem..
Thanks for attempting to respond respectfully in kind. Except for this particular thread that I started, every Latino related thread to which I have responded has been posted by others, so I decline to be included in the "Latino obsessed" category, for if there hadn't been such postings, I wouldn't either have created them or responded. However, I will admit to being "obsessed" with accuracy.

When stories include no documented reference to gang-involvement by authorities, who are more than willing to offer such comments, I see no value in attributing every crime or infraction by individuals to gangs; it simply empowers them, similarly to how John Dillinger was regarded in the 20's when every bank robbery within 500 miles in the mid-West on any particular day was attributed to him.

In addition, in a county with a dominant "minority" population, whose founders were Californios and whose history is replete with the legitimate involvement of Latino descendents, legal immigrants, and decades of bracero workers, as well as the more recent agribusiness-supported influx of "illegals," the speculation, without corroboration, that every Spanish-surnamed individual whose name appears in the newspaper is "Mexican" reflects poor reasoning at best and a racist bias at worst. When the context of derogatory language provides evidence of a more intense negative regard, I tend to identify it as more of the latter than the former.

As for "discount(ing) every posters (sic) attempt to make you understand that it is NOT the Latino populace being railed against but the Latino gangbanger," I do not see that occurring as frequently as it is suggested by the comment. Instead, we never get to address the underlying issue because of the insistence that every Spanish-surnamed person is "Mexican" and that every incident reported in the news is gang-related, when no evidence or official attribution by the authorities is offered. It's like calling "The Comprehensive Health Reform Act" "Obamacare." It's biased, belittling, disrespectful, and most of all, inaccurate, although apparently quite "catchy" and appealing to those with a suspicious agenda.

If the purpose here is to denigrate an entire group of people because of a sub-group that is preying on the larger group, as well as on others, it doesn't make any sense to me to refer to any of them in a manner that fails to distinguish between and among them. From what I know and see, there are American Latinos with a Mexican heritage, some of whom are involved in gangs, and the majority of whom are not, as well as "immigrant Latinos," few of whom are involved in gangs, and the remainder of whom try to keep a low profile so as not to draw attention to themselves.

When I see those groups indiscriminately mixed and mislabeled, and individuals inappropriately associated based on their surname (known as "racial/ethnic profiling"), I will challenge the inaccuracy. It is that inaccuracy which casts doubt on the validity and balance of whatever other comment is offered. Correspondents who wish to be taken more seriously will tend to observe the conventions which accuracy requires. Otherwise, please simply indicate that it's a racist rant with no basis in fact.

Beyond that, we can talk about the underlying issues. I am certainly willing to look at solutions to those problems.
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#7 May 7, 2011
Unaccustomed as I am to having any reasonable expectation of an actual effect on the thinking, actions, or postings of correspondents in these forums, I am guardedly optimistic about the reduction both in the number and frequency of threads in the week or so that have started off with inaccurate headlines identifying Latino residents in the news as Mexicans.

If this is the case, I consider it hopeful sign. On the other hand, if it's just a matter of correspondents having gone elsewhere to vent, or just having gone elsewhere, even for just a short break, I am still appreciative.
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#8 May 15, 2011
While some might suppose that the combined terms "Latino/Mexican" or "Mexican/Latino" are somehow better than the specific and erroneous "Mexican," especially when no nationality is mentioned within a story, in fact those terms simply expand the category to include both citizens and undocumented workers of Latino descent.

If it's impossible to determine the relevant nationality so as to apply a more accurate stereotype with which to smear the subject of the story, please apply the least restrictive label so as to not cause further self-embarrassment regarding research and reading comprehension skills.
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#9 May 21, 2011
Another week has passed with fewer postings of inaccurate or flagrantly biased comments or stories. I may have to reassess my characterization of this forum if this civility continues.
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#10 May 30, 2011
Thanks to those who have either reconsidered their biases regarding Latinos or who have decided to move on to other topics or venues, such as the Salinas Californian, to express them. However, if neither of these is the case, it would be interesting to hear from them regarding their sudden silence or disinterest in continuing to initiate their posts about "Mexicans."

Regardless of the motivation, the topics and contents of this forum have become infinitely more civil and respectful, while perhaps not as provocative, as a result.
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#11 Jul 7, 2011
It seems that the hiatus enjoyed by this forum from correspondents posting inaccurate headlines about Mexican nationals committing crimes is apparently over, with either new correspondents taking up the misguided cause or previous correspondents assuming new identities, possibly due to the discrediting of their unsupported and biased views.
Prince Albert

Salinas, CA

#12 Jul 9, 2011
Ocean View; This forum is all yours! You have a problem when others post if it is not to your liking. So you can have it....
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#13 Jul 9, 2011
Prince Albert wrote:
Ocean View; This forum is all yours! You have a problem when others post if it is not to your liking. So you can have it....
I don't like inaccuracy.
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#14 Jul 10, 2011
Of the first 100 threads in this forum today, 21 posted by others feature the word Mexican or Mexico in the headline. Of those, only two are factually about a Mexican national or Mexico, according to the accompanying stories.
Prince Albert

Salinas, CA

#15 Jul 10, 2011
You are the minority!
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#16 Jul 11, 2011
Prince Albert wrote:
You are the minority!
I am the minority because I don't like inaccuracy? The majority likes inaccuracy? Or does the majority like calling American Latino criminals "Mexicans." Please clarify.
Prince Albert

Salinas, CA

#17 Jul 11, 2011
Most people living in Monterey County are feed up with Mexican Gangs and the damage that they have done to the Mexican people.
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#18 Jul 11, 2011
Prince Albert wrote:
Most people living in Monterey County are fed up with Mexican Gangs and the damage that they have done to the Mexican people.
Mexican gangs live in Mexico. The gangs in Monterey County are gangs of American citizens of Latino heritage. There is no doubt that they are victimizing members of their own community as well as others, but conflating their actions with the presence of undocumented workers from Mexico and other Central and South American countries, and labeling all of them as Mexicans, conveniently ignores both reality and the complexity of addressing each of the individual challenges that both Latino gangs and immigration represent.

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