California Proposition 19: the Mariju...

California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 7, 2010

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Scarfs

San Dimas, CA

#16066 Apr 20, 2013
Police have to be in the community, they have to build up as many sources as they can, and they have to realize that the threat is coming from the Muslim community

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#16067 Apr 20, 2013
Ronald wrote:
Drudge is reporting that thousands of violent spaced-out medicated potheads gathered in Denver to celebrate their victory over the politicized local cops, who are now too frightened to enforce federal laws that prohibit the use of and the sale of illegal drugs. As the celebration got underway, the Africans shot up the - mostly White - celebrators.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/cyp6gc7
Ronald
Ronald
True, but any crowd of people gathering to celebrate can be dangerous today.

RiccardoFire
TheComps

San Dimas, CA

#16068 Apr 20, 2013
As many residents already know of Gary Clifford's workers compensation claim, while he worked as a motorcycle police officer. But to go on and become a Glendora City Council man, Mayor, Instructor at Citrus College and finally CFO for Athens Services?

Don't want to leave out his work for other businesses, vactations include water, snow skiing, piloting a small airplane, marching and or jumping up and down at political rallies.

So whats the difference between what John X. Vach and What Gary Clifford did and has gotten away with for several years?

Police on Tuesday arrested the owner of San Bernardino-based Wilson Towing on charges of workers' compensation fraud related to his job as a Los Angeles Police Department detective.
John X. Vach Jr., 37, a resident of Los Angeles County, surrendered at Claremont Police Department and was later released after posting $120,000 bail, police said.

Vach has been charged with seven felony counts of workers' compensation fraud, perjury and attempted grand theft.

"He attempted to get a medical pension from the Police Department," said Los Angeles police Sgt. Al Lopez with the department's workers' compensation fraud unit.

Lopez said Vach filed a medical claim in late 2007 for what he said was an on-duty injury in his work as an officer.
Bruno24

Charleroi, Belgium

#16069 Apr 21, 2013
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Bruno24.
Marijuana is not medicine. Marijuana is an illegal highly addictive class 1 mind rotting drug. Although beneficial tobacco products increase mental acuity, pot has the effect of stupefying the minds of users. That explains why the 60s 70s era revolutionary ruling elite (now in power) want to outlaw the use of tobacco products and to replace its use with pot. Once that is accomplished,it will allow revolutionary Government to more easily control the American people to accept the unacceptable.
Ronald
To rot your brain with pot you have to smoke 30 joints everyday for a billions of years. To get a fatal liver disease, one glass of alcohol every day for 3 years can be enough. Then with a gun, one bullet in the body is enough. It is just non sense to make illegal dangerous activities. Going out of your mother womb was already risky. Prohibition is anti-life, simply.
After NDAA 12 and 13, I am not sure if the Americans are not already accepting the unacceptable. No need of pot for this, TV and innumeracy seems quite enough.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#16070 Apr 21, 2013
Bruno24 wrote:
<quoted text>
To rot your brain with pot you have to smoke 30 joints everyday for a billions of years. To get a fatal liver disease, one glass of alcohol every day for 3 years can be enough. Then with a gun, one bullet in the body is enough. It is just non sense to make illegal dangerous activities. Going out of your mother womb was already risky. Prohibition is anti-life, simply.
After NDAA 12 and 13, I am not sure if the Americans are not already accepting the unacceptable. No need of pot for this, TV and innumeracy seems quite enough.
I agree, it's more risky to accept all the vaccines the Government pushes on us.
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#16071 Apr 21, 2013
SOFTRACING wrote:
Oh, allmost forgot, HaPpY 4-20 Everyone...
SOFTRACING.

Few of we decent hard working Americans stand in opposition to the cops tracking down terrorist bombers. The downside, though, is those efforts are taking valuable taxpayer funded Governmental resources away from Big Government's ongoing war against decent hard working God-fearing loyal Americans - the so-called "little folks" - who partake in the simple worker ("middle") class pleasure of enjoying an occasional tobacco product.

Ronald

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#16072 Apr 21, 2013
This is a waste of time.
It's a challenge to the Feds, and they will retaliate.

The ONLY SOLUTION is to force the Fed to leave it up to the states.

This solution gives the Feds money, and in exchange they have to give up using weed to force us into a police state.

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“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#16073 Apr 21, 2013
Sign the petition:
https://www.change.org/petitions/congress-and...

The Feds will only come down harder on marijuana growers, distributors, and users until the people stand up like adults and fight back.
The best solution is that marijuana should only be grown on federal land and taxed, with the proceeds going to pay down the national debt.

Objections will come from:
The industries which use a large amount of their income to pay legislators to keep hemp illegal because they don’t want competition; know hemp is superior to most of their products; and don’t want the public to have a choice:
The pharmaceutical industry, the clothing industry, the timber and paper products industries, and others.
Drug cartels and marijuana farmers who won’t be able to charge outrageous prices, thanks to legal competition.
People who are easily confused by propaganda and don’t want to do any work to search for truth.

Approval will come from:
Law enforcement, which can focus officers and resources on dangerous drugs.
Border Patrol can focus on catching those bringing in dangerous drugs, because Mexicans with marijuana won’t be able to compete with us. Those who want an end to drug wars and crime resulting from the criminalization of marijuana.
Those who would use marijuana instead of dangerous drugs that are destroying our society. Those who want homeopathic drugs that are far safer than many pharmaceuticals.
Those who want more products produced in the U.S. instead of imported.
Those who keep using the federal debt for political gain will either approve or be exposed as liars.
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#16074 Apr 21, 2013
Protester wrote:
Sign the petition:
https://www.change.org/petitions/congress-and...
The Feds will only come down harder on marijuana growers, distributors, and users until the people stand up like adults and fight back.
The best solution is that marijuana should only be grown on federal land and taxed, with the proceeds going to pay down the national debt.
Objections will come from:
The industries which use a large amount of their income to pay legislators to keep hemp illegal because they don’t want competition; know hemp is superior to most of their products; and don’t want the public to have a choice:
The pharmaceutical industry, the clothing industry, the timber and paper products industries, and others.
Drug cartels and marijuana farmers who won’t be able to charge outrageous prices, thanks to legal competition.
People who are easily confused by propaganda and don’t want to do any work to search for truth.
Approval will come from:
Law enforcement, which can focus officers and resources on dangerous drugs.
Border Patrol can focus on catching those bringing in dangerous drugs, because Mexicans with marijuana won’t be able to compete with us. Those who want an end to drug wars and crime resulting from the criminalization of marijuana.
Those who would use marijuana instead of dangerous drugs that are destroying our society. Those who want homeopathic drugs that are far safer than many pharmaceuticals.
Those who want more products produced in the U.S. instead of imported.
Those who keep using the federal debt for political gain will either approve or be exposed as liars.
Protester.

In theory, it would be a good way for corrupt 60s 70s era politicians to feather the nests of their radical extremist political supporters by taxing mind rotting pot. After all, one often hears proponents conjuring up unsubstantiated claims that "Marijuana is America's biggest cash crop".

As a practical matter, though, the scheme simply would not work. While there are many decent taxpaying potheads - such as high paid taxpayer supported Government criminal defense lawyers - the overwhelming majority of them are taxpayer supported Government wards. Any taxes collected from those zonked-out potheads would only result in demands for the Big Government political class to increase the amount of taxpayer support given them so that they would be able to pay the Government pot tax.

Ronald
CrazyKoch

San Dimas, CA

#16075 Apr 21, 2013
The crazy Bros, Koch Industries is exploring a bid to buy the Tribune Co.’s eight regional newspapers.

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#16076 Apr 21, 2013
The Federal Reserve stockholders bought our national media in 1985.
Between that and dumbing-down, we have a nation of idiots who don't even know that my first sentence means the Fed will own them too.
The idiot masses don't deserve any better. They couldn't even get off their lazy azzes and protest to 'End the Fed'. They didn't complain about the violent cops attacking the protesters and are too stupid to know that those acts were evidence that the protesters were the only threat to the traitors in the Fed.
People, you've been warned for generations but you just want to be nothing better than pathetic over-grown children. You will pay a terrible price for your laziness, cowardice and stupidity.

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#16077 Apr 21, 2013
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Protester.
In theory, it would be a good way for corrupt 60s 70s era politicians to feather the nests of their radical extremist political supporters by taxing mind rotting pot. After all, one often hears proponents conjuring up unsubstantiated claims that "Marijuana is America's biggest cash crop".
As a practical matter, though, the scheme simply would not work. While there are many decent taxpaying potheads - such as high paid taxpayer supported Government criminal defense lawyers - the overwhelming majority of them are taxpayer supported Government wards. Any taxes collected from those zonked-out potheads would only result in demands for the Big Government political class to increase the amount of taxpayer support given them so that they would be able to pay the Government pot tax.
Ronald
We have so many problems in this country because of the huge number of people who are so content to remain ignorant of reality. It wouldn’t be so bad if they were denied the right to vote based on ignorance, but they’re allowed to use their stupidity as a weapon to force everybody else to suffer. We don’t let people drive unless they prove they’re competent, so the ignorant, mentally ill, etc. shouldn’t be allowed to vote because of the damage they do.
Right now, the conservative idiot masses are voting to support the Elite, the traitors who are destroying the stable middle class, in part by demanding tax cuts for the wealthy and cuts to everything for those who pay the taxes and are needy because of the greed of the Elite.
In other words, truly stupid Right-wingers are voting for, and financing, treason.
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“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#16078 Apr 21, 2013
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Anonymous

Keller, TX

#16079 Apr 21, 2013
Yay. This is what we need in California. Can't wait to see what 4/20 will look like next year here in SF.
Jenna

Sun City, CA

#16081 Apr 22, 2013
In my family one mom is addicted to prescription meds and can be found at any given time passed out, drooling, and riddled with cig burns because she passed out with one in her hand again.....the other mom can usually be found eyes half slotted, slurring words due to cotton mouth, and laughing hysterically about nothing, sitting in her chair munching on doritos and watching episodes of Scooby Doo all in the name of her LEGAL prescription....to which of these two wonderful ladies should I entrust my beautiful 8 month old daughter to???!!! This is ridiculous folks! Someone needs to take control of this situation and you don't do that by legalizing it. That's like throwing bananas into the hungry gorillas' cage and saying they're going to be civilized about it. Don't be stupid!
HookUps

San Dimas, CA

#16082 Apr 22, 2013
You heard it hear first Lake a water board director is trying to sneak in a hearing to give Baldwin Park city a free 165,000.00 dollar hookup charge for the transit center. Then she wants the water department to not charge the city for standby charges monthly.
I want to remind Lake it is election year and Lozano and Garcia can not vote you in and when the water companies customers find out your doing buddy deals with the bankrupt city you are gone. Last year you raised rates because the water department needed money and now you want to give the money away!!!!!!
We are watching you Lake and anyone else who wants to vote yes on giving away free money. The transit center does not bring in any new water customers so you can't justify the costs. Lake if you value your job which we know is your only one you can get you better drop this matter or the voters will do there talking at the polls this year.


BP water customer

I will be watching who votes for the free money to the city and I know Lake, Pacheco, Macais, and Woods are all up for election this year. This will be a big factor on who gets elected In November 2013.

Once again the crooked sgvCOG is busy giving away money that doesn't belong tot hem, what do you say Nick Conway.

But instead to pay off another crooked politician.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#16083 Apr 22, 2013
zingzang02 wrote:
Yay. This is what we need in California. Can't wait to see what 4/20 will look like next year here in SF.
What did it look like this year in SF?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#16084 Apr 22, 2013
Jenna wrote:
In my family one mom is addicted to prescription meds and can be found at any given time passed out, drooling, and riddled with cig burns because she passed out with one in her hand again.....the other mom can usually be found eyes half slotted, slurring words due to cotton mouth, and laughing hysterically about nothing, sitting in her chair munching on doritos and watching episodes of Scooby Doo all in the name of her LEGAL prescription....to which of these two wonderful ladies should I entrust my beautiful 8 month old daughter to???!!! This is ridiculous folks! Someone needs to take control of this situation and you don't do that by legalizing it. That's like throwing bananas into the hungry gorillas' cage and saying they're going to be civilized about it. Don't be stupid!
Anything can be abused. Your Mom's seem to lack common sense. Should we ban the cig's, Chips, soda's and alcohol that they abuse too? Sounds like a couple of whales to me.
Contaminated

San Dimas, CA

#16085 Apr 22, 2013
Since 75% plus of those Muslim's of the world believe it's OK to kill non believer's it might be good that they return to their homeland so they don't become contaminated by the NON BELIVER's who allowed them to come to America.

I suggest you thrown off the YOKE of oppression you escaped from in your former country and that means the oppressive religion too!

Look what it's done to the women of your former country, it still allows killings of your own females for freaking crazy reasons.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#16086 Apr 22, 2013
Contaminated wrote:
Since 75% plus of those Muslim's of the world believe it's OK to kill non believer's it might be good that they return to their homeland so they don't become contaminated by the NON BELIVER's who allowed them to come to America.
I suggest you thrown off the YOKE of oppression you escaped from in your former country and that means the oppressive religion too!
Look what it's done to the women of your former country, it still allows killings of your own females for freaking crazy reasons.
Our President was brought up a Muslim.

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