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California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

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RiccardoFire

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#12955
Nov 13, 2012
 
Big D wrote:
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I was referring to your earlier comment about others trying to tell you what was "good for you" for you, when it is actually you that is trying to control it for others.
I donít happen to use or am I interested in using this substance for myself. But I have no desire to try and control what others are allowed to do.
I have never heard an argument against it, that could not also be applied to things that are legal.
I donít see a point in having a law just for the sake of having the law.
So other people should be able to do what ever they want? You don't mind if your neighbor had a grow operation? And constantly smoking pot in their yard? Or crack? whatever? It's basically legal now with the medical pot, anyone over 21 can get a card. My point was smoking anything is not healthy. There are other ways to consume it. If legal, you will still have cops busting people growing it, I'm sure you won't be able to grow 100's of plants in your home. Cops will still be busting people selling it cheaper on the streets.
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

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#12956
Nov 13, 2012
 
Bruno24 wrote:
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What you say is not confirmed by the statistical studies, when done seriously. yes, the tar of pot contains dangerous product. No, this is not reflected in the population of smokers, and this can be explained by the strong anti-cancer agent that is also contained in the marijuana smoke. yes, smoke in the lungs is irritant, but the average quantity of smoke for a consumer of pot, without tobacco, is ridiculously small compared to cigarette smoking. In case of tobacco, it is easy to take it orally, but the oral consumption of cannabis transformed THC into 11-hydroxy THC, by the liver, and this is 12X more potent, and the effect last a much longer time, so many people prefer to smoke it because they control better the effect, and there is no problem with the lungs that has ever been associated with MJ. It is of course not 100% safe, but smoking cannabis is still safer than taking aspirin, consuming too much fruits, or breathing in most large cities, not talking about consuming alcohol or tobacco. Then the difficulty to convince the youth to not mix cannabis and tobacco is made virtually impossible by the prohibition and demonization of cannabis. Cannabis remains much safer than many legal products, both as a medication for many diseases, and as a recreative relaxant for handling the modern stressing struggle.
BS...of course it's better then smoking cigarettes, but smoking anything is not good for you. Most people that smoke pot are not occasional and also breath deep holding it in. A lot of those tests you read are not done like that. Check out what the medical field says and not what the advocates say. Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana, compared to their general risk of heart attack when not smoking. How many people are having heart attacks because of pot but never reported? Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers typically inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer, when smoking.

Research indicates that THC impairs the body's immune system from fighting disease, which can cause a wide variety of health problems. One study found that marijuana actually inhibited the disease-preventing actions of key immune cells. Another study found that THC increased the risk of developing bacterial infections and tumors.

Several studies have found that children born to mothers who used marijuana during pregnancy exhibit some problems with neurological development. According to those studies, prenatal marijuana exposure can cause:

Altered responses to visual stimuli
Increased tremulousness
Problems with sustained attention and memory

I wonder why the poor people that smoke pot have so many kids with add?
Hero

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Same RF dork who post there hate material over and over again!
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

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Nov 13, 2012
 
Hero wrote:
Same RF dork who post there hate material over and over again!
How much pot did your mom smoke when she was carrying you?

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Mr Anderson wrote:
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I thought you might have something interesting to say....
I was wrong...
so youre straight?? and you are advocating a crime??
meanwhile?/ you call us a bunch of criminals??
WTF> you are major hypocrit.
get a clue....
the federal gvernment has all those drugs schedualed the same way for a reason.....and it has nothing to do with public health or saftey..
if it did? alcohol would be HIGHLY illegal.
and we all know how well that turned out....
about as well a 75 years of pot prohibition.
you say you cant wait for it to be legalized??
why is that?? when you are a major hater...??
it already has been legalized....
and you havnt "rolled" any stoners yet??
I postulate that you are a giant pussy who would never say a bad word to anyone for fear of being beat up.
advocating a crime? how does that compare with COMMITTING a crime?

frankly, I don't think you potheads give a shit about any laws out there. all you care about is your next hit.

so, if you don't give a shit about the law.. why should I?

brain dead hippie.
DropBox

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So you can put any type of Bull in one of these out of town drop boxes, thats nice to know.

A drop box is like a trash can that never gets emptied?
Chad

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DropBox

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So you can put any type of Bull in one of these out of town drop boxes, thats nice to know.

A drop box is like a trash can that never gets emptied?

Do you have to put the lid back on?

Nope, leave them off so they draw more out of towners posting they are really just flies.
Punxsutawney Phil

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#12963
Nov 13, 2012
 
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>How much pot did your mom smoke when she was carrying you?
Aw, someones afraid of his own shadow.
Looks like more winter.
I am sure your mother would be so proud.
DropBox

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Big D

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RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>So other people should be able to do what ever they want? You don't mind if your neighbor had a grow operation? And constantly smoking pot in their yard? Or crack? whatever? It's basically legal now with the medical pot, anyone over 21 can get a card. My point was smoking anything is not healthy. There are other ways to consume it. If legal, you will still have cops busting people growing it, I'm sure you won't be able to grow 100's of plants in your home. Cops will still be busting people selling it cheaper on the streets.
You jumped way outside the context here

Nothing has passed about "crack" you have no clue what my position on that might be. You would do better to speak for yourself, as you have no idea what others think, certainly not me.

You remind me of folks that hear about gay marriage and jump straight to bestiality, I worry about folks that make that leap a lot more than I worry about gay folks.

As far as "pot" as a legal substance why would it bother me if my neighbor was smoking it?

There are still issues to work out of course, federal law for example. But I donít mind all that much that my neighbors across the street have their garage door open all the time and are constantly drinking beer all weekend long.

what is the difference?
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

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Nov 13, 2012
 
Big D wrote:
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You jumped way outside the context here
Nothing has passed about "crack" you have no clue what my position on that might be. You would do better to speak for yourself, as you have no idea what others think, certainly not me.
You remind me of folks that hear about gay marriage and jump straight to bestiality, I worry about folks that make that leap a lot more than I worry about gay folks.
As far as "pot" as a legal substance why would it bother me if my neighbor was smoking it?
There are still issues to work out of course, federal law for example. But I donít mind all that much that my neighbors across the street have their garage door open all the time and are constantly drinking beer all weekend long.
what is the difference?
I agree, I did jump out of content. But to your questions, I'm sure you want me to answer and I will. I too don't care if my neighbor or anyone is smoking pot or anything...as long as I don't have to smell it. I have the right to breath natural air. Don't I? I too don't mind if my neighbor is drinking, I would prefer the garage door be down, I like to keep the value of my home up. Is that reasonable? I would never buy a home where people are openly drinking. Or sitting around smoking anything.
Big D

Modesto, CA

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Nov 13, 2012
 
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, I did jump out of content. But to your questions, I'm sure you want me to answer and I will. I too don't care if my neighbor or anyone is smoking pot or anything...as long as I don't have to smell it. I have the right to breath natural air. Don't I? I too don't mind if my neighbor is drinking, I would prefer the garage door be down, I like to keep the value of my home up. Is that reasonable? I would never buy a home where people are openly drinking. Or sitting around smoking anything.
Natural Air?

I donít think we have had that in the US for a long time now, not with the corporations making drill baby drill slogans

Your request is not totally unreasonable, and I would not be opposed to an addendum that limited it to inside the home or other such restrictions.

I would prefer it if my neighbors had their garage door closed myself, there is no question that the collection of jeeps and the garage door open and a constant stream of their friends with ice chests of beer and a constant stream of loudness brings down my property values, but I am not about to work on passing a law to make them act one way or another.

This is the land of the free, and I believe strongly in that freedom. I donít think it is my right to tell them how they must life, what language they speak, what culture they celebrate etc

Unlike most republicans today, I am opposed to big government telling me what I can and cannot do, what language I must speak, what culture I must celebrate, what my daughters are allowed and not allowed to do with their own reproductive systems.

Same with Pot, Iím not particularly interested myself, but I donít see where I have the right to tell others what they can and cannot do responsibly.
RiccardoFire

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Nov 13, 2012
 
Big D wrote:
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Natural Air?
I donít think we have had that in the US for a long time now, not with the corporations making drill baby drill slogans
Your request is not totally unreasonable, and I would not be opposed to an addendum that limited it to inside the home or other such restrictions.
I would prefer it if my neighbors had their garage door closed myself, there is no question that the collection of jeeps and the garage door open and a constant stream of their friends with ice chests of beer and a constant stream of loudness brings down my property values, but I am not about to work on passing a law to make them act one way or another.
This is the land of the free, and I believe strongly in that freedom. I donít think it is my right to tell them how they must life, what language they speak, what culture they celebrate etc
Unlike most republicans today, I am opposed to big government telling me what I can and cannot do, what language I must speak, what culture I must celebrate, what my daughters are allowed and not allowed to do with their own reproductive systems.
Same with Pot, Iím not particularly interested myself, but I donít see where I have the right to tell others what they can and cannot do responsibly.
I agree, it's the land of the free. But it's not drilling causing air pollution, it's the process of burning it. You might have the wrong idea on politics, it seems both sides build bigger governments. Blame politicians, period. Don't you want another czar? So you prefer abortion as birth control? I agree on pot, I have my card, but don't smoke it or use it much. But it smells and would not want it smelling up the hood.
RiccardoFire

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Nov 13, 2012
 
or choice of healthcare.
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Grover Norquist muslim Extremist friends and lovers have call for destruction of Egyptian antiquities.

What's Grover Norquist doing by living in the United States of America, he should be over there with his wife's family members tearing up the Middle East.
Punxsutawney Phil

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Nov 13, 2012
 
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, I did jump out of content. But to your questions, I'm sure you want me to answer and I will. I too don't care if my neighbor or anyone is smoking pot or anything...as long as I don't have to smell it. I have the right to breath natural air. Don't I? I too don't mind if my neighbor is drinking, I would prefer the garage door be down, I like to keep the value of my home up. Is that reasonable? I would never buy a home where people are openly drinking. Or sitting around smoking anything.
Go suck a tailpipe- you twisted ninny champion of clean air.
You pathetic phoney.
DumpDonald

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Dump Donald Trump:

http://signon.org/sign/urge-macys-to-dump-don...

Macy's is faced with a problem, there is a on line petition to dump donald trump as their Xmas spokes person for 2012.

Some don't like that idea and the person known as Donald Trump.

His ExWife is running the article in the Huffington Post, sweet revenge.
One Way

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#12974
Nov 13, 2012
 
Even though they breathe in and out, sleep and wake, rise and fall, give and take- people are frequently shocked to learn life is a two way street.
Comeuppance doesn't have to be a bad thing.
Big D

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Nov 13, 2012
 
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, it's the land of the free. But it's not drilling causing air pollution, it's the process of burning it. You might have the wrong idea on politics, it seems both sides build bigger governments. Blame politicians, period. Don't you want another czar? So you prefer abortion as birth control? I agree on pot, I have my card, but don't smoke it or use it much. But it smells and would not want it smelling up the hood.
LOL I know it isnít the drilling, but what is being pulled out by the drilling.

Comes to the same thing.

I do blame politicians, a lot of them, on both sides.

On abortion you had again best not speak for me, you donít know what I think, you would do better to speak for yourself only, you donít know what I think.

I think abortion should be safe, legal and rare, not a preferred method of birth control. But I wont have the government telling us what we can and cannot do with our own bodies.

Same with Gay marriage, same with pot, same with language, same with culture, Where government needs to control and regulate are large businesses ( see our current economic situation ) caused by bank deregulation, or massive oil spills caused by lessening of regulation there.

Too many people are focused on the wrong things, we donít need them in our personal lives, telling us what we can use, who we can marry, what language we must speak etc, we do need them to regulate trade and business that cannot see beyond the next quarter statements.

I donít particularly agree with democrats on many issues, but the republican alternatives seem to be for the exact things that caused the mess we are in now. The alternative to democrats is unacceptable so far.

I wish something better would come along.

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