California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

[NoBlamer 2012]

KimBoe wrote:

<quoted text>exactly how does a cannabis user led to heroin and heroin user who began with cannabis differ? are you high right now?
pot doesn't always lead to heroin, but most of the time it leads to something else. does that satisfy you?

the only reason weed leads to stronger drugs is because you had to go to the same black market to get it

with weed legalized, you dont buy it on the black market

[NoBlamer 2012]

PAUL RAND wrote:

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mabey that is their plan to overcome the problem with the weather.

maybe you should take some esl classes

[PAUL RAND]

NoBlamer 2012 wrote:

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maybe you should take some esl classes

mabey you should deal with the fact that joe biden just wiped the floor with young lyin ryan...

and joe really destroyed ryan(and made him look like a boy) on afghanistan.

ryan really just embarrased himself on the war.

good luck now.....

it is up to romney to stop the hemmoraging.

the simple question of who will safegaurd medicare and social security?? who trusts the party that was against BOTH since their inception??....and have been schemeing for years to get rid of them???

now all of a sudden they want to save them?? and bolster them??
who believes them???

NOBODY!!

[Gdlings]

Paul D. Ryan can ride those lies right in to the ground each and every time he opens his mouth.

So does his creepy boss, Willard Mitt Romney.

Mr. Multi choice.

[KimBoe]

PAUL RAND wrote:

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the whole idea, kim, is that im not addicted to anything HARDER...
yes i experimented with other drugs as a teen and college age adult.
but they didnt lead to any other, harder, life time addictions...
other than the ones ive already had.
pot is the only thing ive ever really loved.
coffee is good , but I can take it or leave it.
and I had NO problem with addiction to alcohol...
therefore pot wouldnt have been a gateway to anything but wanting to move out of the city to the country.
im very glad to be here in california, protected by the laws of my state and county.
sorry but I just never saw that connotation of crime with pot use.
everybody I knew who was a lowlife?? who stole shit??
was usually into something stronger than just weed.
and all the people I know who became heroin junkies, just had real bad problems with heroin....ANYTHING, was their gateway....
leading me to believe that it isnt about the drugs, but the personality. take some responsibilty, like I do, for your drug use.
it was fun, so you did it.....
it was pushed on you?? yet, you had choices.
like my choice NOT to ever try heroin, even though I had tried other drugs.(it had something to do with seeing people ruin their lives)
I quit smoking for 4 years (after being a stoner until age 19), and then started smoking again(because its fun and relaxing) when clinton was elected president.
so it is sort of complicated....
ps: mabey your are not a loser magnet, because if you were, youd have instantly knew what i meant....sorry.

okay, i relate to you story. i've quit for years at a time as well. you're a 40-something and grew up a lot faster.

[RiccardoFire]

PAUL RAND wrote:

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mabey you should deal with the fact that joe biden just wiped the floor with young lyin ryan...
and joe really destroyed ryan(and made him look like a boy) on afghanistan.
ryan really just embarrased himself on the war.
good luck now.....
it is up to romney to stop the hemmoraging.
the simple question of who will safegaurd medicare and social security?? who trusts the party that was against BOTH since their inception??....and have been schemeing for years to get rid of them???
now all of a sudden they want to save them?? and bolster them??
who believes them???
NOBODY!!

Joe lied. It should not be surprising that Biden flat out lied about the requests for more security in Benghazi. It just proves that we need to get Obama and Biden out of office as soon as possible. They either are too incompetent to know what is going on in their intelligence and state departments, or they lie to cover up their inadequacies. Either one is a reason to vote them out.

[Bruno24]

KimBoe wrote:

<quoted text>i think it was his lack of english skills language. & no, i came to this thread to tell the proponents that the program is being abused. & a violent crime screwed up my life. & it's a gateway drug. plain and simple. i'll bet it's just about impossible to find a significant number of people who after pot have not gone on to try other drugs.
but like all threads, we end up beating a dead horse.
in one reply i said our motto was green grass and high times for ever, but a crime changed my attitude about that. pot isn't for everyone. it does affect the way you think & feel.
& alcohol? never had a problem. never been a drinker except for 1 year in college, a group drinker. collage marching bands do a lot of partying, especially when the core of the band come from the drum&bugle corp who start partying as teenager.
my situation is... complicated. due to who i am. i fall outside the bell curve. & a loser magnet? what's that supposed to mean?
& how can you not think that a guy was started smoking at 11 and has been smoking now for 33 years is nothing but addicted.
& 11 year old smoking pot? he barely reach puberty!
smoking pot at 11, experimenting with harder drugs in high school.
but it isn't a gateway drug? get real. grow up.

All studies show the contrary, and this despite the fact that prohibiting cannabis can make it into a gateway, as some people will mess with some unscrupulous dealer, capable of advertizing other products, or capable of mixing cannabis with some harder addictive stuff. But despite this phenomenon (due to prohibition) cannabis has never been shown leading to hard drugs. Never. If you know a study (not founded by the government or scientology, and not containing the usual error in logic and statistics), give the reference.
In The Netherlands cannabis is quasi-legal and completely tolerated and this was to cut the gate effect, with a lot of success. So it is seems that without prohibition, cannabis prevents the use of harder drug.

[Comic Relief]

The space shuttle could us a litle help getting around those corners?

[LYIN AYN RYAN]

Bruno24 wrote:

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All studies show the contrary, and this despite the fact that prohibiting cannabis can make it into a gateway, as some people will mess with some unscrupulous dealer, capable of advertizing other products, or capable of mixing cannabis with some harder addictive stuff. But despite this phenomenon (due to prohibition) cannabis has never been shown leading to hard drugs. Never. If you know a study (not founded by the government or scientology, and not containing the usual error in logic and statistics), give the reference.
In The Netherlands cannabis is quasi-legal and completely tolerated and this was to cut the gate effect, with a lot of success. So it is seems that without prohibition, cannabis prevents the use of harder drug.

I agree with your post, except Ive never heard in my 32 years(minus4) as a pot head, of cannabis being mixed with anything, except tobacco.......

and that is something done on the spot, not by manufacture...

I never could understand why the euro's did that to perfectly good weed......mabey most of them are light weights, when it comes to good weed.....at least outside of amsterdam.

cheers

[Dee Rings]

You must be talking about Ding-A-Ling-Ryan?

[LYIN AYN RYAN]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>Joe lied. It should not be surprising that Biden flat out lied about the requests for more security in Benghazi. It just proves that we need to get Obama and Biden out of office as soon as possible. They either are too incompetent to know what is going on in their intelligence and state departments, or they lie to cover up their inadequacies. Either one is a reason to vote them out.

for all WE know, you could be correct.

but do I THINK romney is any MORE competant than obama??

he really hasnt given us many details on how hell handle foriegn affairs......except to say " operate from a position of strength"

well?? we're the strongest nation by far already, so hell have to do better in describing what kind of world leader he would be.

we alreday know Obama is "no drama obama"

he has not initiated any new ground wars...

which was my wish of the next president after Bush.

I wisdhed for a president to ba able to talk to adversaries, instead of just bombing them and getting the nation into two unendable quagmires in the middle east.

because weve abused this region for so long, no one there really like the US gov., and knows were only there for the resources.

this is a political season, so were focused on the presidential campaign.

when it came to Obama/biden's position on Iran, syria and afghanistan?? ryan offered no new positions last night....

in other words?? he and mitt have zero policy differences from the current democratic administration that hunted down and killed Osama bin Laden.

good luck scoring points for romney on foreign policy, when his is identical to obama's...

on the criteria you gave at the end off your post???

Reagan would have had to have been removed from office as well.

were you around in 87'???

[Comic Relief]

If you want support than, don't go around and burn up your base?

[LYIN AYN RYAN]

KimBoe wrote:

<quoted text>okay, i relate to you story. i've quit for years at a time as well. you're a 40-something and grew up a lot faster.

thanks for comprehending my unique situation.

I HAVE known people who have killed themselves doing drugs....

three from Overdoses of heroin

one from an alcohol induced seizure.

and one from excessive coke and alcohol usage that lead to a gun death
(my sisters boyfrined who offed himself right in front of her)

I think he had some emotional issues though.

with the heroin overdoses?? it took two of those junkies twenty years to finally off themselves.

[LYIN AYN RYAN]

Comic Relief wrote:

If you want support than, don't go around and burn up your base?

i think this is the problem for the october 3rd revolution in the republican party.

they seem to think just by lying at the last minute (on a host of bread and butter issues), they are going to fool all those swing voters who were tending towards Obama in september.

I guess they think that their base will automatically know they are lying??? like when romeny said he wouldnt reinstate the bush tax cuts for the wealthy when they expire.?

when they say things that would normally come out of the mouth of a democrat?? I guess that is code to their base for.......... " were lying. dont take us seriously, we're just trying to get into office, so we can feed the rich some more"

[RiccardoFire]

LYIN AYN RYAN wrote:

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when it came to Obama/biden's position on Iran, syria and afghanistan?? ryan offered no new positions last night....

Said the former Bolshevik. The moderator should have been arrested. Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times. CHRIS WALLACE: I've Never Seen A Candidate As Disrespectful As Joe Biden Was Tonight
Ryan To Biden: U.S. Ambassador In Paris Has Guard, Why Not In Benghazi?
Joe Biden needs to realize this isn’t a Senate Foreign Relations Hearing. His laughter and condescending attitude is a disaster
Will Biden laugh his ass off at the terrible economy, too?

[NoBlamer 2012]

Gdlings wrote:

Paul D. Ryan can ride those lies right in to the ground each and every time he opens his mouth.
So does his creepy boss, Willard Mitt Romney.
Mr. Multi choice.

actually...
ryan is the one with a plan to lower the debt

all you losers can think of is MORE TAXES

thats all you losers come up with

its never enough to cover your MORE SPENDING

what does this have to do with

""California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative""

stop spamming your idiot BS

MOVE TO GREECE

[LYIN AYN RYAN]

NoBlamer 2012 wrote:

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actually...
ryan is the one with a plan to lower the debt
all you losers can think of is MORE TAXES
thats all you losers come up with
its never enough to cover your MORE SPENDING
what does this have to do with
""California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative""
stop spamming your idiot BS
MOVE TO GREECE

the ryan plan adds to the debt my boy.

there is simply no president who has been elected in modern times, that has gotten into office and reduced spending, it is simply NOT part of the culture..........look up the numbers and you will see what i mean....it makes no difference if ryan thinks he is a T-bagger.

they have all you fiscal austerity advocates compleatly fooled.

how can you pay down the deficit?? without letting the bush tax cuts expire?? while NOT reducing other programs??

it either comes from military spending or medicare?? take your pick.

romney/rand will obviously want to cut into the social programs before cancelling a single order for military hardware.

[LYIN AYN RYAN]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>Said the former Bolshevik. The moderator should have been arrested. Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times. CHRIS WALLACE: I've Never Seen A Candidate As Disrespectful As Joe Biden Was Tonight
Ryan To Biden: U.S. Ambassador In Paris Has Guard, Why Not In Benghazi?
Joe Biden needs to realize this isn’t a Senate Foreign Relations Hearing. His laughter and condescending attitude is a disaster
Will Biden laugh his ass off at the terrible economy, too?

it is time to write a post that doesnt mention bengazi...

Iran has 95 million people, and afghanistan has 27 million....

you pick the least volitile of the trouble spots?? libya has 6 million people. Im not saying it doesnt have to be adressed.

but as a surrogate for romney/rand?? you are terrible.

you keep ignoring those other, bigger more volitile hot spots...

what did ryan offer last night to deal with any of those three crisis?? that was new??

nothing.

it was one of the major reasons he lost.

that and he got crushed on the fairness debate.

[RiccardoFire]

LYIN AYN RYAN wrote:

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it was one of the major reasons he lost.
that and he got crushed on the fairness debate.

Lyin Ayn Ryan

Are you related to Paul? Do you know Mitt? If laughing and yelling and interrupting your opponent 82 times makes you a winner, then yes he won. But I just saw an old draft dodger acting like the joker laughing and showing no respect for Mr Ryan and the people that wanted to watch a debate. You do know Obama attended the wedding of the fair and balanced moderator didn't you? She should have been arrested.

[Comic Relief]

Glad I made it to this dump station.

By the looks of things thats where all the arm pit joke are being told, and there all about the stupid republican / tea baggers too!