California Proposition 19: the Mariju...

California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

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MITT DOLEWATER

Anderson, CA

#12575 Oct 10, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Mitt
Seems like your bong is.
Riccardo
I only do bowls....

go back to the scratch pad son....(or etchasketch)

I just shellacked your silly pro corporate arguement over there....
ABE LINCOLN MARXIST WTF

Anderson, CA

#12576 Oct 10, 2012
is that dooofus congress guy from the silly south kidding??

the bible didnt mention slavery, because it should be obvious, NOT to enslave others.

how stooooopid is this rebuttlicken fool??

and why isnt the romney/rand campaign disavowing this asshole.
they are, after all, leaders of the party!!

trying to rebrand one self to the center(as a presidential candidate), should include calling out, those in your own party that make loooonatic statements like that!!
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#12577 Oct 10, 2012
Bruno24 wrote:
<quoted text>
Some people believe that taking hard drug while having smoke pot before is an argument that pot lead to hard drug, but this is logically invalid. You must take the popuplation of the pot smokers (not the hard drug users) and see among them if a bigger proportion take the hard drugs. In that case the results are that alcohol and tranquilizers are more gate way than pot. In fact pot seems sligthly preventing the use of harder drug. In fact the problematic of pot have been debunked, and have been precisely related to precise lies for precise special interest. Cannabis is just an excellent medication for a large spectrum of diseases, and is probably the most safer recreative products. I have already provide many referencesn and they can be found by anyone serious searching on the net.
When you mention violent act done under cannabis, and conclude, you are doing the logical error mentioned above. I am a math teacher. I am paid to help people not doing that errors, but the cannabis file seems immune to logic teaching apparently.
Anyway, it has also been confirmed, as we can gues by simple common sense, that the prohibition of a drug directly augment the production of that drug. Prohibition offers the market to the criminals, which not only don't ask for the ID, but specifically target the youth, and try to enrol them in the criminal circle. The danger of drugs, above the usual incident, is a direct consequence of prohibition.
"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President
Bruno24.

Yes. The root motivation of zonked out potheads "medicating" on dangerous mind rotting illegal pot is an infantile desire to commit an illegal act. We need not wonder why they want to do that, only that they do. Any pothead who is not arrested because of their engaging in the use of illegal schizophrenia related pot is likely to progress to much more serious crimes later. Many of those crimes are crimes of a very violent nature. Let's join together and demand our corrupt politicians get these malefactors off the street before they do even more damage, both to our children, and to themselves.

Ronald

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#12578 Oct 10, 2012
Bruno24 wrote:
<quoted text>
Some people believe that taking hard drug while having smoke pot before is an argument that pot lead to hard drug, but this is logically invalid. You must take the popuplation of the pot smokers (not the hard drug users) and see among them if a bigger proportion take the hard drugs. In that case the results are that alcohol and tranquilizers are more gate way than pot. In fact pot seems sligthly preventing the use of harder drug. In fact the problematic of pot have been debunked, and have been precisely related to precise lies for precise special interest. Cannabis is just an excellent medication for a large spectrum of diseases, and is probably the most safer recreative products. I have already provide many referencesn and they can be found by anyone serious searching on the net.
When you mention violent act done under cannabis, and conclude, you are doing the logical error mentioned above. I am a math teacher. I am paid to help people not doing that errors, but the cannabis file seems immune to logic teaching apparently.
Anyway, it has also been confirmed, as we can gues by simple common sense, that the prohibition of a drug directly augment the production of that drug. Prohibition offers the market to the criminals, which not only don't ask for the ID, but specifically target the youth, and try to enrol them in the criminal circle. The danger of drugs, above the usual incident, is a direct consequence of prohibition.
"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President
is i started out using an illegal drug and it led to the use of different illegal drugs, then how is that first drug not a gateway to the second drug. & incidentally, i aced my freshman logic class. take a poll of heroin user and i'll bet the majority started with pot. what does being a math teacher have to do with it? i come from a family a teachers on both sides of my family tree. don't pretend to have an advantage over me. i'm in my 60's. i've seen it all. i see the teenage slingers waiting out side for the dispensaries. and since when is hash medicinal? you are wrong.
Wee board

La Puente, CA

#12579 Oct 10, 2012
Thats what mike touhey is use to! boarding..

By the looks of him he could use some water pills.
ABE LINCOLN MARXIST WTF

Anderson, CA

#12580 Oct 10, 2012
KimBoe wrote:
<quoted text>is i started out using an illegal drug and it led to the use of different illegal drugs, then how is that first drug not a gateway to the second drug. & incidentally, i aced my freshman logic class. take a poll of heroin user and i'll bet the majority started with pot. what does being a math teacher have to do with it? i come from a family a teachers on both sides of my family tree. don't pretend to have an advantage over me. i'm in my 60's. i've seen it all. i see the teenage slingers waiting out side for the dispensaries. and since when is hash medicinal? you are wrong.
since when do you know what people use as "medicine"

herion can be "medicinal" if you happen to be dying.

hash is indeed part of my medicine.

ive been using pot for 33 years.

in high school i experimented with coke and acid, but never had a urge to use a needle to get high.

I saw too many friends get into heroin and see it ruin their lives.

on the other hand, all the other adults I know (now in our 40's) smoked pot and DIDNT get into harder drugs..

it is not an automatic "gateway" drug

the people are "gateway"

and will get HIGH off anything they can.

I ve known a few of those as well.

stop thinking you know everything about OTHER people's drug use.

you are very two dimensional, having your brain fried by "Hard" drugs..

you couldnt handle ANY of them.
ABE LINCOLN MARXIST WTF

Anderson, CA

#12581 Oct 10, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Bruno24.
Yes. The root motivation of zonked out potheads "medicating" on dangerous mind rotting illegal pot is an infantile desire to commit an illegal act. We need not wonder why they want to do that, only that they do. Any pothead who is not arrested because of their engaging in the use of illegal schizophrenia related pot is likely to progress to much more serious crimes later. Many of those crimes are crimes of a very violent nature. Let's join together and demand our corrupt politicians get these malefactors off the street before they do even more damage, both to our children, and to themselves.
Ronald
but everything is fine after people visit the liquor store or pharmacy, right nut case??

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#12582 Oct 10, 2012
ABE LINCOLN MARXIST WTF wrote:
<quoted text>
since when do you know what people use as "medicine"
heroin can be "medicinal" if you happen to be dying.
hash is indeed part of my medicine.
ive been using pot for 33 years.
in high school i experimented with coke and acid, but never had a urge to use a needle to get high.
I saw too many friends get into heroin and see it ruin their lives.
on the other hand, all the other adults I know (now in our 40's) smoked pot and DIDNT get into harder drugs..
it is not an automatic "gateway" drug
the people are "gateway"
and will get HIGH off anything they can.
I ve known a few of those as well.
stop thinking you know everything about OTHER people's drug use.
you are very two dimensional, having your brain fried by "Hard" drugs..
you couldnt handle ANY of them.
sure opiates are used to treat the pain of the dying.

& exactly what is your medical condition that requires hash???

no, pot isn't automatically a gateway drug.

but if you had never smoked pot to begin with, you never would've experimented with the others. so how can it be that you don't think of pot as a gateway drug??? what are you, stupid?

so you became a junkie in high school & you're still smoking pot???

i think it's your brain that is fried.
Typical repubs idiot

La Puente, CA

#12585 Oct 10, 2012
How to run a meeting following Robert's Rules of Order" training.
ABE LINCOLN MARXIST WTF

Anderson, CA

#12586 Oct 10, 2012
KimBoe wrote:
<quoted text>sure opiates are used to treat the pain of the dying.
& exactly what is your medical condition that requires hash???
no, pot isn't automatically a gateway drug.
but if you had never smoked pot to begin with, you never would've experimented with the others. so how can it be that you don't think of pot as a gateway drug??? what are you, stupid?
so you became a junkie in high school & you're still smoking pot???
i think it's your brain that is fried.
my brain is fine.....

im calling out this sort of two dimensional thinking you seem to love.

just because I experimented has nothing to do with my "conditions"

ive a really bad chronically thrown back.(slipped disks)

if you dont believe in pot as medicine??

then you dont even deserve to be talking about this issue.

because you DONT KNOW how much pot helps all kinds of ailments.

menstral cramps are a particular ailment women use mdical pot for.

the list s too long to print.

how do you know that I would have never experiemented with Coke for instance if I hadnt ever smoked pot.??

many people JUST drink and snort!!! it was the eighties after all.

pot wasnt automatically in every click.

if people who medicate are just "junkies" then what are you doing here?? this is thread for for the pot discussion...

prohibition has caused much more dammage than drugs themselve.

all this focus on the source of the drugs, and NONE on the market??

wouldnt you agree??

or are you lost in two dimensions??

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#12587 Oct 10, 2012
ABE LINCOLN MARXIST WTF wrote:
<quoted text>
my brain is fine.....
im calling out this sort of two dimensional thinking you seem to love.
just because I experimented has nothing to do with my "conditions"
ive a really bad chronically thrown back.(slipped disks)
if you dont believe in pot as medicine??
then you dont even deserve to be talking about this issue.
because you DONT KNOW how much pot helps all kinds of ailments.
menstral cramps are a particular ailment women use mdical pot for.
the list s too long to print.
how do you know that I would have never experiemented with Coke for instance if I hadnt ever smoked pot.??
many people JUST drink and snort!!! it was the eighties after all.
pot wasnt automatically in every click.
if people who medicate are just "junkies" then what are you doing here?? this is thread for for the pot discussion...
prohibition has caused much more dammage than drugs themselve.
all this focus on the source of the drugs, and NONE on the market??
wouldnt you agree??
or are you lost in two dimensions??
i'm not saying marijuana isn't medicinal. i'm saying the program is being abused. i decided to stop smoking. i used for arthritis & depression + a class 10 spinal condition. & during my music career i was constantly stoned. there isn't a drug that i've used that ever got the best of me. except i screwed up with lsd.

like jerry garcia said in the opening scenes of woodstock,'marijuana, exhibit A' & seriously, i find it hard to believe that in high school you would have experimented with other drugs without smoking pot. right know i'm choosing to stay straight.

& please, using the term 'medicate' is to me, so square.

'me & my buddies were medicating in the park & blah blah blah'

they got us addicted in the 60's & have been jacking the price up ever since. yes, the quality has definitely improved.

i pretty much know the generation i'm dealing with because of music. but your generation really knows very little about mine because of your generation prejudice.

& this thread is about the legalization of pot. anyone can participate, whether they indulge or not.

green grass & high time forever was pretty much our motto, but once you been victim of a felonious assault & the perp was under the influence, you think twice about legalizing it for anything but strict medical purposes.

the crime was nearly 30 years ago. & it completely destroyed my life. i need reconstructive surgeries & i'm on disability.

have i made myself clear?
MITT DOLEWATER

Anderson, CA

#12588 Oct 10, 2012
youve made abundantly clear that you blame drugs for peoples bad behavior.

I blame people.....

and I think when they blame drugs for their woes???

they are making a HUGE COPOUT!!!

youd be suprised how much your genration influenced
the culture.

we know LOTS about that....

from being part of the counter culture, which STARTED then!!!

we call it the cultural revolution.

lots of good results...

including better attitudes about pot, sex and marraige.

now we have 17 states that have made medical marijuana prescriptions OK.

its a good start.

YOU got YOU hooked on whatever you are still recovering from.

stop blaming others.

do I make myself clear??
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#12589 Oct 10, 2012
ABE LINCOLN MARXIST WTF wrote:
<quoted text>
but everything is fine after people visit the liquor store or pharmacy, right nut case??
ABE

Do you know Mitt? You both live in the same town and have strange names. Why the insults Abe? Can't you reason?

Riccardo

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#12590 Oct 10, 2012
MITT DOLEWATER wrote:
youve made abundantly clear that you blame drugs for peoples bad behavior.
I blame people.....
and I think when they blame drugs for their woes???
they are making a HUGE COPOUT!!!
youd be suprised how much your genration influenced
the culture.
we know LOTS about that....
from being part of the counter culture, which STARTED then!!!
we call it the cultural revolution.
lots of good results...
including better attitudes about pot, sex and marraige.
now we have 17 states that have made medical marijuana prescriptions OK.
its a good start.
YOU got YOU hooked on whatever you are still recovering from.
stop blaming others.
do I make myself clear??
all you've made clear to me is that you're not quite up on things. my generation did not start the cultural revolution. it was started by 'the beat', the generation that had to fight ww2 & korea. the where tired, they were 'beat'.

so they dropped out. my source for this is a harvard drop-out in his late 60's now. to them, it became 'anything goes, except murder'. incidentally is crowley's 'do what thou wilt' philosophy of satanism any different?

but the beat was taken over and commercialized. essentially the jews got a hold of it.

kesy, leary, ginsberg, owsley... all of them.

now, like it or not, it isn't racist to tell the truth. a couple of jews named dustin hoffman & warren beatty wrote a song for the movie ishtar...'telling the truth can be dangerous business. honest & popular don't go hand in hand'

my generation was the second generation to be influenced by the beat. or maybe i'm the youngest of the first, but really there's only 2 generations. those born before the re-establishment of israel. & those born after.

& exactly how have i made it abundantly clear that i blame drugs for people's bad behavior?

marijuana is a mental stimulant.

stimulate a criminal mind and he becomes a more creative criminal.

so in that sense yes. a heroin addict commits crime to get money for heroin. who do you blame? if he wasn't an addict, he wouldn't need to steal or she wouldn't need to turn tricks to support the habit.

you're to young. you don't know the truth. i've just told you some of it.

& you reply is???

p.s.

the only thing i'm still recovering from are the ramifications of the crime. i never had addiction problem. except when i was a musician. i smoked wa-ay too much.

Since: Oct 12

Garden Grove, CA

#12591 Oct 11, 2012
Jeff wrote:
one more time, for those who've got caught up in all that postmodern science so falsely called propaganda that the ONDCP and just say no types put out:
There is a certain contrasting quality between judgments within the world view of the ONDCP and Christian theology. NO Bible believing Christian would accept any "toxicology" studies or reports from the ONDCP if they knew the axioms that were used to build their studies. One must "Test The Evidences" that come from outside Scripture. The "everything is toxic" philosophy embraced by the ONDCP and FDA is the exact opposite of sound Christian theology, and the corollary truths built upon it are not Biblically founded, and can be proven to be Biblically incorrect. And if it's not Theologically true, if it's not true in the Bible, than it isn't true at all.
The Scripture's warnings against these philosophies are traditionally viewed as warnings about the Gnostics of the second century. It was a blending of Jewish, Greek, or Eastern philosophy with Christianity. These Gnostic errors are widespread, they appear century after century, and shows itself in many forms of religion, not merely in distorted forms of Christianity. In life application today, we can see that same Gnostic germ resurface in our society in the influence of modernism and postmodernism. The war against cannabis is a frightening illustration, in that it is successful in stifling Evangelism within the local Church, and not many Leaders recognize what's going on, despite the fact that it devastates the lives of millions in perdition. This ascetic teaching is unnatural, contrary to the constitution of the world as that has been arranged by a holy and wise Creator, and it is also subversive of Christian liberty. Nothing can be esteemed common or unclean without throwing a reproach upon the Creator. In summary, the Christian world view cannabis prohibition is different than the ONDCP world view. In the ONDCP world view, it's "just say no". In the Christian world view, it's "be ye sober".
Sources
-International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
-Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
-Systematic Theology, Dr Norman Geisler
-Systematic Theology Wayne Grudem
-Discourse with New Mexico University Toxicology instructor in conjunction with the Office of National Drug Control Policy (not public)
Supporting Scriptures (chapters)
Matthew 11
Romans 14
Ephesians 2
Colossians 2
1 Timothy 4
Titus 1
Revelation 2,(Pergamos)
Supporting Traditions-
just look here
http://www.lucashempco.com/cms/node/19
Mr. Jeff
You need to remove your opinion from the word especially when teaching, remember you shall be judged with a harder judgment.
To many times interpreting the truth leads to misrepresenting the truth, so to understand with clarity what is said, you must go to the language it was written in and the language will tell you what the document says.(Gen. 1:12) GOD brings forth every herb with seed of its own and calls it good.(GEN 1:29) he gives it to man saying; to you it shall be for MEAT.(( MEAT in Strong's Hebrew Dictionary is # 402 the Hebrew word "oklah" meaning = food, eat, from Strong's # 401 to which they both have the root word Strong's # 398 the Hebrew word "akal" it is their primary root which means to consume, to burn up, to devour. GODS purpose is to bless us, and all he gives us is to benefit us. Please everyone research this see if I share in truth. Yes people will exploit and misuse it just like alcohol, but GOD does not say don't drink wine, he says don't be drunk with wine, there will be a consequence. Please be blessed with truth and may wisdom guide you in health and ever closer to the creator, and keep you all from over indulgence.
IGL SD iegd
mitt goldwater

Anderson, CA

#12592 Oct 11, 2012
KimBoe wrote:
<quoted text>all you've made clear to me is that you're not quite up on things. my generation did not start the cultural revolution. it was started by 'the beat', the generation that had to fight ww2 & korea. the where tired, they were 'beat'.
so they dropped out. my source for this is a harvard drop-out in his late 60's now. to them, it became 'anything goes, except murder'. incidentally is crowley's 'do what thou wilt' philosophy of satanism any different?
but the beat was taken over and commercialized. essentially the jews got a hold of it.
kesy, leary, ginsberg, owsley... all of them.
now, like it or not, it isn't racist to tell the truth. a couple of jews named dustin hoffman & warren beatty wrote a song for the movie ishtar...'telling the truth can be dangerous business. honest & popular don't go hand in hand'
my generation was the second generation to be influenced by the beat. or maybe i'm the youngest of the first, but really there's only 2 generations. those born before the re-establishment of israel. & those born after.
& exactly how have i made it abundantly clear that i blame drugs for people's bad behavior?
marijuana is a mental stimulant.
stimulate a criminal mind and he becomes a more creative criminal.
so in that sense yes. a heroin addict commits crime to get money for heroin. who do you blame? if he wasn't an addict, he wouldn't need to steal or she wouldn't need to turn tricks to support the habit.
you're to young. you don't know the truth. i've just told you some of it.
& you reply is???
p.s.
the only thing i'm still recovering from are the ramifications of the crime. i never had addiction problem. except when i was a musician. i smoked wa-ay too much.
I see??

sounds to me lik you were the victim of hanging around with the wrong people??

unless you were just driven to crime yourself by all the weed you smoked!!

well you are the excepton and ceratinly not the rule.
there are no official crime statistics you could show me that would prove that smoking weed is a criminal inspring adventure.

ive been smoking since I was 11.

ive no record yet.

im quite funtional and so is everybody elese I know who still burns.

so the cultural revlution was in the 1950's??

i didnt know that..

I thought since all tha good music came out from 1965-75 that THAT was the revolution.

but I see the seed mut have been sown in the 50's!!

yes I know the history(being a deadhead) of the 50's and 60's.

better than you it seems

the big wave WAS indeed the ate 60'.

but the roots of it Was sown with the beats.....

greenwich villiage or the interstates??

it is only our guess, as you(and I) were really too young to really know.

I do know that marrige changed drastically, as well as veiws about pre-marital sex and drugs.

ps: what the hell does ISRAEL have to do with our conversation about drugs???

gateway personalities kim, not gateway drugs...

drugs are just drugs....

prhibition does more harm than goood.

pP: are you tea partier by chance?

sorry keyboard is F&*T%ing up...

so the
mitt goldwater

Anderson, CA

#12593 Oct 11, 2012
"fire in the streets" by milton viorst is a good book

if you want to learn about the 60's from a political dimension.
Bruno24

Belgium

#12594 Oct 11, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Bruno24.
Yes. The root motivation of zonked out potheads "medicating" on dangerous mind rotting illegal pot is an infantile desire to commit an illegal act. We need not wonder why they want to do that, only that they do. Any pothead who is not arrested because of their engaging in the use of illegal schizophrenia related pot is likely to progress to much more serious crimes later. Many of those crimes are crimes of a very violent nature. Let's join together and demand our corrupt politicians get these malefactors off the street before they do even more damage, both to our children, and to themselves.
Ronald
Is that a rethorical trick? You talk like if you agree, when I say the exact contrary.

I tend to believe that pot, and salvia and magic mushrooms are treasure of nature, and are quite beneficial when used in a regulated way.

And I believe that making a *dangerous drug* illegal, like alcohol or tobacco or crack makes it MUCH MORE dangerous, if only because much more easily available, and in bad quality.
The danger is the prohibition, not the drugs.
very nasty products like crack, meth and krokodil would not even exists if the original products were not made illegal.

Only the prohibitionists are the real criminals, as they know, today, what they are doing.
Bruno24

Belgium

#12595 Oct 11, 2012
KimBoe wrote:
<quoted text>is i started out using an illegal drug and it led to the use of different illegal drugs, then how is that first drug not a gateway to the second drug. & incidentally, i aced my freshman logic class. take a poll of heroin user and i'll bet the majority started with pot. what does being a math teacher have to do with it? i come from a family a teachers on both sides of my family tree. don't pretend to have an advantage over me. i'm in my 60's. i've seen it all. i see the teenage slingers waiting out side for the dispensaries. and since when is hash medicinal? you are wrong.
If you are right, just making coca cola illegal would make it a gate way product to heroin.

To measure if cannabis leads to heroin, for example, you must compare the proportion of cannabis user led to heroin, not the proportion of heroin user who begin with cannabis.
Your way to reason is invalid. 100% of the heroin user have begun with milk.
Falsesetto

Glendora, CA

#12596 Oct 11, 2012
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