Gays, as individual men and women, have the same right to marry,as nay other man or woman.<quoted text>
That is a lie, and you know it. You do not lose anything with Gays getting their right to marriage recognized.
So who's lying here? The same right has always existed. There are some who do not wish to exercise it the same way, as any other man or woman.The only way to have a rational conversation is for you to stop lying. If they had always had the same rights, we would not be having this discussion.