Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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heartandmind

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Sent him packing. Heard it on NPR on the anniversary.
Never the less, MLK never would have gone for calling SS couples married.
You know that.
it doesn't appeat that MLK sent him packing, particularly if you look at the time line of his life. there's no mention of it in either MLK or in his bio in the link I gave you. or in any link i can find via google.

unlike yourself, i don't speak for others. you can't possibly know what someone else thinks feels or believes unless they say it outright.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/16/what...

"Yet King would have been a champion of gay rights today because of his view of Christianity, says Michael Long, author of,“I Must Resist: Bayard Rustin’s Life in Letters,” who shared the story of King’s Ebony letter.

“Dr. King never publicly welcomed gays at the front gate of his beloved community. But he did leave behind a key for them - his belief that each person is sacred, free and equal to all to others,” says Long, also author of the upcoming “Keeping it straight? Martin Luther King, Jr., Homosexuality, and Gay Rights.”

Did King’s dream include gay people?

Coretta Scott King, was a vocal supporter of gay rights. One of her closest aides was gay. She also invoked her husband’s dream.

Ravi Perry, a political science professor at Clark University in Worcester, Massachusetts, said King’s widow once said in a public speech that everyone who believed in her husband’s dream should “make room at the table of brother and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.”

There is no private or public record of King condemning gay people, Perry says. Even the FBI’s surveillance of King’s private phone conversations didn’t turn up any moment where King disparaged gay people, she says.

“If Dr. King were anti-gay, there would likely be a sermon, a speech, a recording of some kind indicating such,” she says.“And knowing how closely his phones were tapped; surely there would be a record of such statements.”

Those who say King did not condemn gays and would have supported gay rights today point to King’s theology.

Though King was a Christian minister, he didn’t embrace a literal reading of the Bible that condemns homosexuality, some historians say. King’s vision of the Beloved Community – his biblical-rooted vision of humanity transcending its racial and religious differences – expanded people’s rights, not restricted them, they say.

Rev. C.T. Vivian, who worked with King at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, says King would have championed gay rights today.

“Martin was a theologian,” Vivian says.“Martin starts with the fact that God loves everybody, and all men and all women were created by God. He based his whole philosophy on God’s love for all people.”
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Just to many smurfs posting today?
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Pietro Armando wrote:
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Imagine the public school children in St. Paul Minnesota,, or St. Louis, or Corpus Christi, turning in money for a field trip, money that has the words "In God We Trust" on it, while watching the inauguration of a new president as s/he sworn in with his/her hand on a bible, as s/he utters "So help me God". Lets not forget the teacher is a fan of the New Orleans Saints, and has one of their pennants on the wall. We wouldn't want that to happen, those poor children exposed to all that religious reference. Oh the hum airy
Famous ancient books BAD!!

The book "Johnny has two daddies" GOOD!!

It's a simple concept really. Big D knows whats best for our children.
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sorry for the double posting.

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Pietro Armando wrote:
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Imagine the public school children in St. Paul Minnesota,, or St. Louis, or Corpus Christi, turning in money for a field trip, money that has the words "In God We Trust" on it, while watching the inauguration of a new president as s/he sworn in with his/her hand on a bible, as s/he utters "So help me God". Lets not forget the teacher is a fan of the New Orleans Saints, and has one of their pennants on the wall. We wouldn't want that to happen, those poor children exposed to all that religious reference. Oh the hum airy
But the words In God We Trust doesn't mean a specific God, the whole point was that Suzanne/debsueallen was posting that she was banned from public schools for pushing a certain type of religion to be taught as the truth. That's illegal. That's why she was banned.

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it doesn't appeat that MLK sent him packing, particularly if you look at the time line of his life. there's no mention of it in either MLK or in his bio in the link I gave you. or in any link i can find via google.
unlike yourself, i don't speak for others. you can't possibly know what someone else thinks feels or believes unless they say it outright.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/16/what...
"Yet King would have been a champion of gay rights today because of his view of Christianity, says Michael Long, author of,“I Must Resist: Bayard Rustin’s Life in Letters,” who shared the story of King’s Ebony letter.
“Dr. King never publicly welcomed gays at the front gate of his beloved community. But he did leave behind a key for them - his belief that each person is sacred, free and equal to all to others,” says Long, also author of the upcoming “Keeping it straight? Martin Luther King, Jr., Homosexuality, and Gay Rights.”
Did King’s dream include gay people?
One person close to King, though, would disagree.
Rev. Bernice King led a march to her father’s graveside in 2005 while calling for a constitutional ban on gay marriage. She was joined by Bishop Eddie Long, senior pastor of New Birth Missionary Church in Georgia, where she served as an elder at the time. Long, who recently settled out of court with four young men who filed lawsuits claiming he coerced them into sexual relationships, publicly condemned homosexuality.
King did not answer an interview request, but she has spoken publicly about her views.
During a speech at a church meeting in New Zealand, she said her father “did not take a bullet for same-sex marriage.”
Yet her mother, Coretta Scott King, was a vocal supporter of gay rights. One of her closest aides was gay. She also invoked her husband’s dream.
Ravi Perry, a political science professor at Clark University in Worcester, Massachusetts, said King’s widow once said in a public speech that everyone who believed in her husband’s dream should “make room at the table of brother and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.”
There is no private or public record of King condemning gay people, Perry says. Even the FBI’s surveillance of King’s private phone conversations didn’t turn up any moment where King disparaged gay people, she says.
“If Dr. King were anti-gay, there would likely be a sermon, a speech, a recording of some kind indicating such,” she says.“And knowing how closely his phones were tapped; surely there would be a record of such statements.”
Those who say King did not condemn gays and would have supported gay rights today point to King’s theology.
Though King was a Christian minister, he didn’t embrace a literal reading of the Bible that condemns homosexuality, some historians say. King’s vision of the Beloved Community – his biblical-rooted vision of humanity transcending its racial and religious differences – expanded people’s rights, not restricted them, they say.
Rev. C.T. Vivian, who worked with King at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, says King would have championed gay rights today.
“Martin was a theologian,” Vivian says.“Martin starts with the fact that God loves everybody, and all men and all women were created by God. He based his whole philosophy on God’s love for all people.”
Again, you confuse and ignore the difference between equal rights and equating an imposter relationship with marriage.

They are distinct theologically.
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Pietro Armando wrote:
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Imagine the public school children in St. Paul Minnesota,, or St. Louis, or Corpus Christi, turning in money for a field trip, money that has the words "In God We Trust" on it, while watching the inauguration of a new president as s/he sworn in with his/her hand on a bible, as s/he utters "So help me God". Lets not forget the teacher is a fan of the New Orleans Saints, and has one of their pennants on the wall. We wouldn't want that to happen, those poor children exposed to all that religious reference. Oh the hum airy
Now imagine your children in school being taught the Quran, or the Bagavidad Gita, perhaps being told to kneel on prayer mats facing mecca 5 times a day in praise to Allah

I don’t have a problem with them being taught the history of "In God We trust" on our money that was not put there by our founders at all, or even the reason that was put on our money, the history of it is fine, I don’t have a problem with a discussion about "under God" and how that was added in the 1950's to our pledge of allegiance against the wishes of the descendants of Francis Bellamy who wrote the pledge in 1892 specifically without that phrase in it.

I don’t mind the history being taught, but if you teach the religion itself, you are opening the door to any and all religions being taught, giving FSM equal time as well
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Well, we live in a democracy and I vote FOR Full Homosexualization of ALL 50 states !:)
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Your ignorance is showing.

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You know, 50 or 60 years ago people would be looking at many of the women today and thinking that they're trying to be men. They go out and find a career away from home. They wear pants. They are single parents. They're very independent.
How someone dresses doesn't define their attractions. Just because you have made the unscientific conclusion that "lesbian dress like men to attract other women" doesn't mean it holds water.
"In the End" you continue to show your "end".
I made no conclusions.

Sexuality is a sliding continuum. Butch lesbians are the closest to transgendered men with a woman's body.

Being a queen, you fall in that same continuum as nearer a woman in a man's body.
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Some people act like children and spew nasty crap because they know they have nothing else.
By the way Frankie Rizzo is a baby killing crippled Vietnam war monger. What he says is worthless.
A fine example of an imbicile that knows nothing, spewing nasty crap. Thanks for the example duh.
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"what would you call a marriage of a self professed "straight" man, and a self professed "lesbian" woman, or a "bisexual" woman? "
Why do we have to call it something at all ?
You would support it but that's why you're so f'n moronic. A marriage 'real marriage' is a union of two people (man and woman) with a common desire to support and compliment each other. How would a straight man and a lesbian be supportive or complimentary of each other? Of course in your tiny mind you would think 'any' two beings should be able to 'marry'. Moron.
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Again, you confuse and ignore the difference between equal rights and equating an imposter relationship with marriage.
They are distinct theologically.
but we're not talking theologically here.

the issues are about the law.

you're the one making assumptions about MLK chum.
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Famous ancient books BAD!!
The book "Johnny has two daddies" GOOD!!
It's a simple concept really. Big D knows whats best for our children.
Don't do that, V.V. can't tell when you're kidding or not.

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but we're not talking theologically here.
the issues are about the law.
you're the one making assumptions about MLK chum.
You are the who asserted what MLK would do.

MLK would root his decisions theologically, so we are talking theologically.
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<quoted text>How many times are you going to come here and start in with that lie? You are an idiot and a pathetic liar
As many times as a I want. Nana nana nana!(Waving fingers behind ears @ you).

Relax power trooper. You are a dope. Might as well just enjoy the ride.
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Wish Jizzy would GET A JOB instead of making up new sock puppets and whining.

Then he would PAY TAXES and STOP MOOCHING.
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You are the who asserted what MLK would do.
MLK would root his decisions theologically, so we are talking theologically.
I gots me a Ouiji board here, should I call MLK up and axe him direct?
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HereIsitandwonder wrote:
<quoted text>How many times are you going to come here and start in with that lie? You are an idiot and a pathetic liar
Don't forget he's gay, lighthearted and full of merryment. Guess if he were truly gay he'd be full of Garyment.
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<quoted text>A fine example of an imbicile that knows nothing, spewing nasty crap. Thanks for the example duh.
Maybe he's mad at me? YUK!YUK!YUK! Wonder why. Some of these fruitloops have real bad tempers. Can't just calmly discuss the topic. It's crippled baby killer war monger this and scared of homosexuals that. Bla bla bla.

Watch me make him throw another hissy fit today.

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I made no conclusions.
Sexuality is a sliding continuum. Butch lesbians are the closest to transgendered men with a woman's body.
Being a queen, you fall in that same continuum as nearer a woman in a man's body.
Queen, you don't know anything about me. So make no ASSumptions.

I wear whatever clothes feel comfortable. And I don't try to carry myself as being overly masculine or feminine. I am who I am.

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