Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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commonpeeps

Covina, CA

#214344 Sep 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Calm down fruitloops you're screaming.
Thanks, got that outta my system, phew!
dribbling

Monrovia, CA

#214345 Sep 4, 2013
This is just a general notice to the knuckle heads that post dribbling c r a p e r s binders.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214346 Sep 4, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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sent packing? gee, must've been after they worked together to orgainze the march on washington, or perhaps form the Southern Christian Leadership Council...or maybe because some nutjob assassinated MLK in 1963....or maybe he decided to go and head a new trade union movement as the AFLCIO invited him to do after the civil rights act of 1964 was passed....
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USArusti...
"Wilkins also feared that the fact that Rustin had been imprisoned several times for both refusing to fight in the armed forces and for acts of homosexuality, would be used against him in the days leading up to the march. However, Martin Luther King and Philip Randolph insisted that he was the best person for the job.
Wilkins was right to be concerned about a possible smear campaign against Rustin. Edgar Hoover, head of the Federal Bureau of Investigations, had been keeping a file on Rustin for many years. An FBI undercover agent managed to take a photograph of Rustin talking to King while he was having a bath. This photograph was then used to support false stories being circulated that Rustin was having a homosexual relationship with King.
This information was now passed on to white politicians in the Deep South who feared that a successful march on Washington would persuade President Lyndon B. Johnson to sponsor a proposed new civil rights act. Storm Thurmond led the campaign against Rustin making several speeches where he described him as a "communist, draft dodger and homosexual".
Most newspapers condemned the idea of a mass march on Washington. An editorial in the New York Herald Tribune warned that: "If Negro leaders persist in their announced plans to march 100,000-strong on the capital they will be jeopardizing their cause. The ugly part of this particular mass protest is its implication of unconstrained violence if Congress doesn't deliver."
The March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom on 28th August, 1963, was a great success. Estimates on the size of the crowd varied from between 250,000 to 400,000. Speakers included Philip Randolph (AFL-CIO), Martin Luther King (SCLC), Floyd McKissick (CORE), John Lewis (SNCC), Roy Wilkins (NAACP), Witney Young (National Urban League) and Walter Reuther (AFL-CIO). King was the final speaker and made his famous I Have a Dream speech.
Rustin was highly valued by the trade union movement, and when the AFL-CIO decided in 1965 to fund a new civil rights organisation, the Philip Randolph Institute, he was asked to be its leader. Names after his close friend, Philip Randolph, Rustin worked for the organization until 1979.
In his final years Rustin was active in the protests against the Vietnam War and in the gay rights movement. In 1986 he claimed: "The barometer of where one is on human rights questions is no longer the black community, it's the gay community. Because it is the community which is most easily mistreated."
Bayard Rustin died in New York on 24th August, 1987."
Sent him packing. Heard it on NPR on the anniversary.

Never the less, MLK never would have gone for calling SS couples married.

You know that.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#214347 Sep 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Yeah yeah. I know. Gay believer GOOD. Straight believer BAD!
Is this the "real" Frankie, or someone who's just pretending to be Frankie?

If you read my post then you'll note that I said I don't care which side of the SSM issue you fall on. I don't go after people who don't support SSM or those who do support SSM when it comes to their belief in Christ.

If you remember Laughing Man, he frequently claimed that he did not believe in Christ. It wasn't an issue for me. I didn't attack him for it. So why should I attack anyone else?

I'm not a pastor. At best I "witness"--which has always been an odd verb if you ask me. But basically all that means is that I tell my story, I repeat my beliefs, and that's it.

I debate people when they try to tell me that I should believe otherwise.

Now, back to this notion of you being impersonated... So, we're to believe that any "nasty" comments made under your name have been done by an impersonator? Really?

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#214348 Sep 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You mean the guy he sent packing?
MLK would never have accepted calling SS couples married.
Isn't that interesting? You're now the mouthpiece for Dr. King...

Coretta Scott King made the following comments in 2004 as the right-wing zealots tried to bring about a Constitutional Amendment that would have made same-sex marriage illegal: "Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protection, whether by marriage or civil union. A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages."

So, who should we believe? You? Or the woman who was married to Dr. King?
Floater

Monrovia, CA

#214349 Sep 4, 2013
What happened to the posting topic floater?
commonpeeps

Covina, CA

#214350 Sep 4, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Is this the "real" Frankie, or someone who's just pretending to be Frankie?
If you read my post then you'll note that I said I don't care which side of the SSM issue you fall on. I don't go after people who don't support SSM or those who do support SSM when it comes to their belief in Christ.
If you remember Laughing Man, he frequently claimed that he did not believe in Christ. It wasn't an issue for me. I didn't attack him for it. So why should I attack anyone else?
I'm not a pastor. At best I "witness"--which has always been an odd verb if you ask me. But basically all that means is that I tell my story, I repeat my beliefs, and that's it.
I debate people when they try to tell me that I should believe otherwise.
Now, back to this notion of you being impersonated... So, we're to believe that any "nasty" comments made under your name have been done by an impersonator? Really?
Too stoopid to understand sarcasm. Sheeesh!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214351 Sep 4, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Isn't that interesting? You're now the mouthpiece for Dr. King...
Coretta Scott King made the following comments in 2004 as the right-wing zealots tried to bring about a Constitutional Amendment that would have made same-sex marriage illegal: "Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protection, whether by marriage or civil union. A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages."
So, who should we believe? You? Or the woman who was married to Dr. King?
And her own daughter disputes that view, as her father would too.

Maintaining marriage as it has been historically and cross culturally is 'gay bashing'???

MLK was too smart to make such a stupid statement.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214353 Sep 4, 2013
Cats with glasses wrote:
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I disagree. MLK was for liberating those who were oppressed. His focus at the time was obviously for the injustices focused towards blacks in this country but it's easy to see how his views would have extended to the gay populace. Added to that is his wife's testimony and the fact you cannot put words into the mouth of a dead man. There are no indications he would have not supported gay marriage. In fact it's the opposite. To lay claim he would have would be akin to claiming Albert Einstein would have rather used a set of tarot cards to determine wind resistance on space bound rockets rather than utilize scientific means. Martin Luther King was a man about freedom, not a man who supported limitations of the same.
Your analogy is ridiculous.

I don't doubt that MLK would have supported equal rights for GLBTs.

Calling a mutually sterile, duplicate gendered half 'marriage' would not fly.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214357 Sep 4, 2013
Cats with glasses wrote:
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Post number 214346 written by you;
"Never the less, MLK never would have gone for calling SS couples married."
And now you do a 180 by advising this;
"I don't doubt that MLK would have supported equal rights for GLBTs."
So which is it? You don't make sense by offering your opinion based on two polar opposing views. It's somewhat like going to a pancake house while moaning you're dying to eat a stack of 10 of them smothered in maple syrup for breakfast while telling the waitress you hate flapjacks with a passion.
So which is it? Do you believe MLK would have supported gay marriage or not?
Ss couples do not equate to marriage.

Being treated fairly is another issue.

This is not difficult.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214358 Sep 4, 2013
Cats with glasses wrote:
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Possibly.
That or it's too advanced for you to fully grasp.
Now you are just being troll stupid.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214360 Sep 4, 2013
Cats with glasses wrote:
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And WTF is this?????
"Mutually sterile"?? Are you to claim gays pursuing marriage are sterile??
Hardly. Their makeup is the same as heterosexuals in that they are able to either fertilize a member of the opposite sex if male or to be fertilized by a male as a female if they so wish.
"Duplicate gendered"??? Is that like calling a 12 ounce can of Coca-Cola a "carbonated cylindrical shaped aluminum skinned container of a sweetened beverage".
I'll stick with a can of Coke and the term of gay couples.
And "half marriage".- Either you're a married couple of your single. Some guy holding a bouquet of flowers wearing a tux while standing next to a limo in front of a church while a pastor waits inside all the while thinking some stranger will pass by at some point in time, fall in love and make him "fully married" still makes no sense to this fabricated term of "half married".
1. "mutually sterile" is not the same as "sterile". Are you really asserting that a ss couple can procreate just between them? This isn't rocket science blondie...

2. Now you are confused about a duplicate gendered couple? Really? I suppose a diverse gendered couple would blow your brains! My guess is it would sound like a burp instead of a bang...

3. ss marriage is an oxymoron.

Marriage is a miraculous union of two genders,
a union so profound,
it is described as the union of Mars and Venus.
It reunites humanity to the roots of life,
while at the very same time
hosting the best and natural
birth place of future human life.
It is the blend of masculinity and femininity.
The wisdom of logic and intuition united.
Strength and delicacy perfectly balanced.
Protection and nurture combined as one.
A complimentary merging that multiplies the unbiased blend of humanity's genders.

A ss couple cannot equate to a single one of these distinctions.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214369 Sep 4, 2013
Cats with glasses wrote:
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By the way, your 'distinctions' seem to be based on your opinions. Not fact.
Really.

Be specific.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214370 Sep 4, 2013
Cats with glasses wrote:
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1.) I am not blonde. Your first throw and a miss.
You did not limit the parties involved to a gay couple in terms of procreation. You inferred that those involved in a gay couple were 'sterile'. I merely advised you that was incorrect in that most are indeed able to have offspring. It has been done already in terms of artificial insemination by donor sperm and the like.
2.) No confusion.
3.) Many marriages of opposite sexed couples are not 'miraculous' or 'balanced' unless you deem the 60-70% divorce rate among most as being a miracle as well. As far as planets uniting you make no sense. Planets revolve within solar systems and do not make conscious choices as to their proximity or being.
You don't seem to be able to ascertain your opinions with fact but some sort of twisted poetic idealism. I'm sorry, you're just not convincing.
1. First you deny it, then you turn around and confirm it.

2. Yes, I did. That's what mutually sterile means. You tried to slip it by, and I called your gay twirling.

3. People breaking their vows does not invalidate those who maintain them.

"Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" sold 500 million copies.

Only a lesbian blonde would be unfamiliar with the book or the analogy...

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214375 Sep 4, 2013
Cats with glasses wrote:
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I was specific. Your stance that gays are either not married or should not be married are based on your various opinions with no factual support.
We can put that in another context by stating it appears to me at least you are determining your opinion or opinions should be held as factual information when the truth is they are based on your views of the matter without any proof.
As one example would prove you showed no proof the late Martin Luther King would be against gay marriage but merely speculated he would given some claim his daughter advised so yet never answered to the fact his widow advised otherwise.
If it is your opinion gays cannot be married you are allowed that but to deny they have already been married with more continuing to do so is nothing more than delusional.
I'm sorry, like I mentioned before you're not convincing in your arguments here.
No blondie, you were not specific. Which points are not factual and why.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214376 Sep 4, 2013
Cats with glasses wrote:
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You failed to answer the question posed to you given your confusing statement(s) in which you claimed both MLK would be for gays marrying and MLK would be against gay marriage.
So again, which is it? Do you believe MLK would be for gay marriage or against the idea?
I answered in post 214357.

Why are you trying to change the subject???

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214377 Sep 4, 2013
Cats with glasses wrote:
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By the way,
this is not a known term. Given I am neither gay nor was I in the cheerleading squad leading the marching band while handling a baton within my lifetime you'll need to explain such an asinine comment.
It is the gay version of the 'spin zone', except with a limp wristed gay brain.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#214383 Sep 4, 2013
Cats with glasses wrote:
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It is you who failed to answer the question and changed the subject in your response to the question of what do you think MLK would think of gay marriage given you gave 2 responses with each opposing the other.
So which is it? Would MLK be for or against gay marriage in your opinion?
That's your opinion, and it's blonde.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214384 Sep 4, 2013
Cats with glasses wrote:
<quoted text>I already gave you one. The fact it can be argued MLK would be for gay marriage given by the feedback of his widow but you did not answer to it. I still don't really know your stance given you gave two separate views on that subject and have yet to clarify which side of the fence you are on.
Your labeling of gay couples as being "mutually sterile" is your opinion as well apparently. No facts. Just opinion.
The idea a heterosexual union in terms of marriage being "miraculous" is no more than a statement of opinion. I would think a miracle would be someone shedding themselves of terminal cancer and living to 99 but if you want to hold an opinion that all heterosexual marriages are 'miraculous' by all means do so but stop being so ignorant as to think the reflects any factual information.
We could go on. You don't have facts to bolster your opinions so therefore they remain as just that - opinions.
Now here's a fact. Thousands of gays have been married. An increasing number of states are allowing gays to marry year by year.
You said my commentary about marriage was all opinion.

Now you are back tracking.

Can't back up your opinion?

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214385 Sep 4, 2013
Cats with glasses wrote:
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Never heard nor have I seen a show, play or book with the label 'spin zone'.
Sorry.
Brains don't have wrists.
Do you drink?
1. You are very uninformed

2. You really thought I was being literal?

Over and over, you keep going blonde...

Smirk.

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