Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,794

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214466 Sep 5, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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it doesn't appeat that MLK sent him packing, particularly if you look at the time line of his life. there's no mention of it in either MLK or in his bio in the link I gave you. or in any link i can find via google.
unlike yourself, i don't speak for others. you can't possibly know what someone else thinks feels or believes unless they say it outright.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/16/what...
"Yet King would have been a champion of gay rights today because of his view of Christianity, says Michael Long, author of,“I Must Resist: Bayard Rustin’s Life in Letters,” who shared the story of King’s Ebony letter.
“Dr. King never publicly welcomed gays at the front gate of his beloved community. But he did leave behind a key for them - his belief that each person is sacred, free and equal to all to others,” says Long, also author of the upcoming “Keeping it straight? Martin Luther King, Jr., Homosexuality, and Gay Rights.”
Did King’s dream include gay people?
One person close to King, though, would disagree.
Rev. Bernice King led a march to her father’s graveside in 2005 while calling for a constitutional ban on gay marriage. She was joined by Bishop Eddie Long, senior pastor of New Birth Missionary Church in Georgia, where she served as an elder at the time. Long, who recently settled out of court with four young men who filed lawsuits claiming he coerced them into sexual relationships, publicly condemned homosexuality.
King did not answer an interview request, but she has spoken publicly about her views.
During a speech at a church meeting in New Zealand, she said her father “did not take a bullet for same-sex marriage.”
Yet her mother, Coretta Scott King, was a vocal supporter of gay rights. One of her closest aides was gay. She also invoked her husband’s dream.
Ravi Perry, a political science professor at Clark University in Worcester, Massachusetts, said King’s widow once said in a public speech that everyone who believed in her husband’s dream should “make room at the table of brother and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.”
There is no private or public record of King condemning gay people, Perry says. Even the FBI’s surveillance of King’s private phone conversations didn’t turn up any moment where King disparaged gay people, she says.
“If Dr. King were anti-gay, there would likely be a sermon, a speech, a recording of some kind indicating such,” she says.“And knowing how closely his phones were tapped; surely there would be a record of such statements.”
Those who say King did not condemn gays and would have supported gay rights today point to King’s theology.
Though King was a Christian minister, he didn’t embrace a literal reading of the Bible that condemns homosexuality, some historians say. King’s vision of the Beloved Community – his biblical-rooted vision of humanity transcending its racial and religious differences – expanded people’s rights, not restricted them, they say.
Rev. C.T. Vivian, who worked with King at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, says King would have championed gay rights today.
“Martin was a theologian,” Vivian says.“Martin starts with the fact that God loves everybody, and all men and all women were created by God. He based his whole philosophy on God’s love for all people.”
Again, you confuse and ignore the difference between equal rights and equating an imposter relationship with marriage.

They are distinct theologically.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#214467 Sep 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Imagine the public school children in St. Paul Minnesota,, or St. Louis, or Corpus Christi, turning in money for a field trip, money that has the words "In God We Trust" on it, while watching the inauguration of a new president as s/he sworn in with his/her hand on a bible, as s/he utters "So help me God". Lets not forget the teacher is a fan of the New Orleans Saints, and has one of their pennants on the wall. We wouldn't want that to happen, those poor children exposed to all that religious reference. Oh the hum airy
Now imagine your children in school being taught the Quran, or the Bagavidad Gita, perhaps being told to kneel on prayer mats facing mecca 5 times a day in praise to Allah

I don’t have a problem with them being taught the history of "In God We trust" on our money that was not put there by our founders at all, or even the reason that was put on our money, the history of it is fine, I don’t have a problem with a discussion about "under God" and how that was added in the 1950's to our pledge of allegiance against the wishes of the descendants of Francis Bellamy who wrote the pledge in 1892 specifically without that phrase in it.

I don’t mind the history being taught, but if you teach the religion itself, you are opening the door to any and all religions being taught, giving FSM equal time as well
:)
commonpeeps

Covina, CA

#214468 Sep 5, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Well, we live in a democracy and I vote FOR Full Homosexualization of ALL 50 states !:)
<s>
Your ignorance is showing.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214469 Sep 5, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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You know, 50 or 60 years ago people would be looking at many of the women today and thinking that they're trying to be men. They go out and find a career away from home. They wear pants. They are single parents. They're very independent.
How someone dresses doesn't define their attractions. Just because you have made the unscientific conclusion that "lesbian dress like men to attract other women" doesn't mean it holds water.
"In the End" you continue to show your "end".
I made no conclusions.

Sexuality is a sliding continuum. Butch lesbians are the closest to transgendered men with a woman's body.

Being a queen, you fall in that same continuum as nearer a woman in a man's body.
commonpeeps

Covina, CA

#214470 Sep 5, 2013
Huh wrote:
Some people act like children and spew nasty crap because they know they have nothing else.
By the way Frankie Rizzo is a baby killing crippled Vietnam war monger. What he says is worthless.
A fine example of an imbicile that knows nothing, spewing nasty crap. Thanks for the example duh.
commonpeeps

Covina, CA

#214471 Sep 5, 2013
Steve wrote:
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"what would you call a marriage of a self professed "straight" man, and a self professed "lesbian" woman, or a "bisexual" woman? "
Why do we have to call it something at all ?
You would support it but that's why you're so f'n moronic. A marriage 'real marriage' is a union of two people (man and woman) with a common desire to support and compliment each other. How would a straight man and a lesbian be supportive or complimentary of each other? Of course in your tiny mind you would think 'any' two beings should be able to 'marry'. Moron.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#214473 Sep 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Again, you confuse and ignore the difference between equal rights and equating an imposter relationship with marriage.
They are distinct theologically.
but we're not talking theologically here.

the issues are about the law.

you're the one making assumptions about MLK chum.
commonpeeps

Covina, CA

#214474 Sep 5, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Famous ancient books BAD!!
The book "Johnny has two daddies" GOOD!!
It's a simple concept really. Big D knows whats best for our children.
Don't do that, V.V. can't tell when you're kidding or not.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#214476 Sep 5, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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but we're not talking theologically here.
the issues are about the law.
you're the one making assumptions about MLK chum.
You are the who asserted what MLK would do.

MLK would root his decisions theologically, so we are talking theologically.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#214477 Sep 5, 2013
HereIsitandwonder wrote:
<quoted text>How many times are you going to come here and start in with that lie? You are an idiot and a pathetic liar
As many times as a I want. Nana nana nana!(Waving fingers behind ears @ you).

Relax power trooper. You are a dope. Might as well just enjoy the ride.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#214478 Sep 5, 2013
Wish Jizzy would GET A JOB instead of making up new sock puppets and whining.

Then he would PAY TAXES and STOP MOOCHING.
commonpeeps

Covina, CA

#214479 Sep 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the who asserted what MLK would do.
MLK would root his decisions theologically, so we are talking theologically.
I gots me a Ouiji board here, should I call MLK up and axe him direct?
commonpeeps

Covina, CA

#214480 Sep 5, 2013
HereIsitandwonder wrote:
<quoted text>How many times are you going to come here and start in with that lie? You are an idiot and a pathetic liar
Don't forget he's gay, lighthearted and full of merryment. Guess if he were truly gay he'd be full of Garyment.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#214481 Sep 5, 2013
commonpeeps wrote:
<quoted text>A fine example of an imbicile that knows nothing, spewing nasty crap. Thanks for the example duh.
Maybe he's mad at me? YUK!YUK!YUK! Wonder why. Some of these fruitloops have real bad tempers. Can't just calmly discuss the topic. It's crippled baby killer war monger this and scared of homosexuals that. Bla bla bla.

Watch me make him throw another hissy fit today.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#214482 Sep 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I made no conclusions.
Sexuality is a sliding continuum. Butch lesbians are the closest to transgendered men with a woman's body.
Being a queen, you fall in that same continuum as nearer a woman in a man's body.
Queen, you don't know anything about me. So make no ASSumptions.

I wear whatever clothes feel comfortable. And I don't try to carry myself as being overly masculine or feminine. I am who I am.

debsuelyn

El Dorado Hills, CA

#214483 Sep 5, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Read the comment I was posting. She said that she was in trouble for getting scripture back in schools: "I have had was to get a restraining order from schools because they were unwilling to hear the voice of God in our education system." We are talking about public schools. I have been out of public schools for sometime now and we never had scripture in school, it's illegal unless it's a class on religion and being taught from a historical viewpoint.
I would have you know that you are misquoting me because whoever changed my post is being checked out right now. Someone has been using my ID (debsuelyn) and changing alot of my post of which we are investigating right now. My husband will not allow this to happen to me or anyone else. I have never been banned from any school, for I did quite well in school because I am a Christian and I never tried at that time to try and teach any of my faith. I have not been in school since the 50's and then you could read your Bible and have prayers. Madeline Ohara the atheist woman fought to have this changed many years ago of which they believe she was murdered. Also, I do not go to any schools and try to get them to teach any religion, for whoever is quoting that, they are not telling the real truth. I do not have any children in school. My children are over 40 years old. I do wish that homosexuality was not taught in schools. I would hope and pray that from now on that before you or anyone on this forum go ahead and quote from anything that you think that I wrote, would you please let me know first, for I am keeping track of everything that is going on right now that is not correct. I know that the quotes that you are quoting is something that you may think that I said, but this is very dangerous for me, for whoever this is, is using my ID also to write, for at least it looks that way right now. I do not plan to stay on this forum for just recently I found another forum that is safer and looks like there are alot of Christians on that forum. It is obious that homosexuals are do not like Scriptures that I am quoting from because I do quote exactly what it says, for they do not know what I am talking about because they are not spiritually discerned. My husband and I are very experienced of over 50 years of studying with all kinds of denominations and of course by ourselves, we do not say we know everything, but what we do know, we know!! We would greatly appreciate it while we are having this looked into, to be very careful with our post and we would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#214484 Sep 5, 2013
commonpeeps wrote:
<quoted text>Don't forget he's gay, lighthearted and full of merryment. Guess if he were truly gay he'd be full of Garyment.
YUK!YUK!YUK! Jizzy is not very gay. He's mad.

Notice yet another sock puppet? Hard to keep up with the big dope. But it's easy to tell it's the Jiz. No one else's posts are that dumb!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#214485 Sep 5, 2013
commonpeeps wrote:
<quoted text>I gots me a Ouiji board here, should I call MLK up and axe him direct?
I think he is on to higher things. Just defending his honor.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#214486 Sep 5, 2013
commonpeeps wrote:
<quoted text>I gots me a Ouiji board here, should I call MLK up and axe him direct?
Like it matters. If you believe these silly jackasses MLK's third cousin's husband's opinion carries more weight than ours somehow.

MLK was a fundie. Fundies don't like SSM. Case closed.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#214487 Sep 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You are the who asserted what MLK would do.
MLK would root his decisions theologically, so we are talking theologically.
Then out of all of the sermons, out of all of the taped recordings of his lectures and phone calls, why does he not spend a great deal of time talking about homosexuality? He did, after all, have a fairly openly gay man in his closest circle. Shouldn't his theological beliefs resulted in sending him packing? Why didn't he kick him off the team?

I think MLK probably focused so much of his attention on the needs of racial minorities and the poor. He wasn't sidetracked by homosexuality.

But we do know one thing... His life mate, Coretta, endorsed same-sex marriage. She was a powerful civil rights champion herself. And "In the End" that's good enough for me.

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