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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#214193 Sep 3, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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What I don't think people like Suzanne don't understand is that Christ was sent to replace the old law. Otherwise, what was the use? We're saved through His grace, not through a long list of laws. God made I clear that He didn't want to be known through laws. He wanted a relationship with mankind.
The problem there is that the Bible makes it VERY clear that the Law is not to be changed, ever. Every word, every letter of the Law is to remain fully in force for all time. Jesus did not change that, in fact, he repeated that message.

On the other hand, the Law does NOT say that homosexuality is a sin. In fact, the Bible CELEBRATES the same sex marriage of David and Johnathan in 1 Samuel.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#214194 Sep 3, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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It is the DUTY of the courts to overturn laws that are wrong.
Sad that so many of our "citizens" don't even bother to learn how their own nation works...

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#214197 Sep 3, 2013
debsuelyn wrote:
Those of you that think that I am practicing the Old Testament Law are very wrong. For I am in the New Covenent, just because you do not want to obey the New Testament and obey Apostle Paul's teaching which Christ through revelation gave him, is not my fault. "All Scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto all good works."
Look, every time you try to make our relationship with God into a collection of laws and rules, you are doing Him a disservice.

I think it's sad that you spend SO MUCH TIME with your nose in a book about God rather than in communion WITH God.

You think God stopped talking to mankind after the last letter of the Books of the New Testament were penned. For over 2,000 years you think that the ONLY way that man can know what God wants is to look through a collection of ancient manuscripts. You seem to have NO faith that God is alive and wants to interact with us today.

You worship a book. You seem to put it before ANY faith that you or others have. If it's not written down in black and red ink, on thin, gilded-gold paper, then it doesn't exist to you. Is that REALLY what you think God wants for you or any of us?!?

The Holy Trinity is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Worshipping a book is NOT a part of the deal.

If you want to use the Books of the Bible for SOME guidance and as a resource, then that's fine. But don't blot out God's voice by always reaching for a Bible.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#214198 Sep 3, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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The problem there is that the Bible makes it VERY clear that the Law is not to be changed, ever. Every word, every letter of the Law is to remain fully in force for all time. Jesus did not change that, in fact, he repeated that message.
On the other hand, the Law does NOT say that homosexuality is a sin. In fact, the Bible CELEBRATES the same sex marriage of David and Johnathan in 1 Samuel.
I disagree... There are several verses that seem to indicate that God's covenant with mankind changed when He sent His Son to die for our sins.

Hebrews 10:8-10
First He said,“Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. Then He said,“Here I am, I have come to do your will.” HE SETS ASIDE THE FIRST TO ESTABLISH THE SECOND (emphasis added). And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 9:11-15
That is why He is the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, so that all who are invited can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant.

Hebrews 8:13
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us…

Romans 7:4-6
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, WE HAVE BEEN RELEASED FROM THE LAW SO THAT WE SERVE IN THE NEW WAY OF THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE OLD WAY OF THE WRITTEN CODE (emphasis added).

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

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I honestly think that God is saying that He does not want to have a relationship with mankind that is built on a collection of 613 laws. He wants one built on faith and communication through the Spirit.
kookaa

Long Beach, CA

#214199 Sep 3, 2013
debsuelyn wrote:
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I gave up alcohol, drugs and prostitution over 5 years ago when I discovered Christ. I know first hand what it is to be a reborn Christian and embrace His power and glory. Gays need to do the same.
Just shutup now, ho. You go around banging random dudes for coin and have the nerve to pass judgment on people for being gay? LOL. Whatever ho-bag. Dismissed.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#214200 Sep 3, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh give me a break, the god your cult created has been proven false already. the bible that you use to "know" this false idol is what shows the myth to false...
this is the 21st century, we don't need magical myths anymore, we have rationality and logic...
Whoa cowboy! Calm down now. You have not proven that God is false.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#214201 Sep 3, 2013
Gustavo wrote:
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Excuse me! do you have military experience? Have faced death?
It's a safe bet that he hasn't. He says I should have been a draft dodger. Gone to Canada.

Since: Oct 11

Oceanside, CA

#214202 Sep 3, 2013
making having sex with children legal.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#214204 Sep 3, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>lets ignore the fact that this "god' of your cult can't even get his own creation story correct...sheesh!
how can you in any good morals worship a god that says slavery is OK? are your morals as sick and twisted as the vindictive little prick of a god in the bible?
Temper temper! God is watching your heathen ass.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#214205 Sep 3, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Whoa cowboy! Calm down now. You have not proven that God is false.
i didn't need to, the bible did it already. the people who made up this cult were not smart enough to create a god that can stand up to logic and the real world facts, but then none of the other religious cults could do that either...

so how could an infallible god that created the whole universe not even get his own creation story correct?

cult myths are fun to dissect!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#214206 Sep 3, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Sad that so many of our "citizens" don't even bother to learn how their own nation works...
Aw. You're sad.

Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#214207 Sep 3, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, every time you try to make our relationship with God into a collection of laws and rules, you are doing Him a disservice.
I think it's sad that you spend SO MUCH TIME with your nose in a book about God rather than in communion WITH God.
You think God stopped talking to mankind after the last letter of the Books of the New Testament were penned. For over 2,000 years you think that the ONLY way that man can know what God wants is to look through a collection of ancient manuscripts. You seem to have NO faith that God is alive and wants to interact with us today.
You worship a book. You seem to put it before ANY faith that you or others have. If it's not written down in black and red ink, on thin, gilded-gold paper, then it doesn't exist to you. Is that REALLY what you think God wants for you or any of us?!?
The Holy Trinity is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Worshipping a book is NOT a part of the deal.
If you want to use the Books of the Bible for SOME guidance and as a resource, then that's fine. But don't blot out God's voice by always reaching for a Bible.
Woodtick thinks Jesus is a fake.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#214209 Sep 3, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i didn't need to, the bible did it already. the people who made up this cult were not smart enough to create a god that can stand up to logic and the real world facts, but then none of the other religious cults could do that either...
so how could an infallible god that created the whole universe not even get his own creation story correct?
cult myths are fun to dissect!
There is a philosophy professor friend of mine who would pummel you mercilessly for assuming you have proven God doesn't exist.

I'm not going to bother with your ignorant arrogance. Sounds like you have issues. Fundie family?
kookaa

Long Beach, CA

#214210 Sep 3, 2013
debsuelyn wrote:
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You too have sinned. The fact I was able to accept my sins and repent only to become a born again Christian will bring my soul to the heavens while yours will only perish unless you vacate the sinful lifestyle of performing in a homosexual lifestyle.
Take your nasty cooch and get out. Your pimp wants his money, ho, so better get to turning some tricks before he gives your nasty azz a beat down. Now go, ya ho-bag skank!

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#214211 Sep 3, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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There is a philosophy professor friend of mine who would pummel you mercilessly for assuming you have proven God doesn't exist.
I'm not going to bother with your ignorant arrogance. Sounds like you have issues. Fundie family?
i didn't say there is no god. i said the of the bible is proven to be false, and yes, i would take your philosophy prof on in that challenge. it is not a challenge, it is a proven fact.

but as to there being a god, there isn't one teensy shred of evidence tha any god, gods or goddesses ever existed. not one shred. none. ever. int eh entire existence of humans not one shred...anywhere. zilch. zippo. nada.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#214212 Sep 3, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Woodtick thinks Jesus is a fake.
the entire mythology of jesus being a god or the son of a god was stolen from previous religious cults. from the virgin birth, to healing the sick to raising the dead to walking on water to rising from the dead...all stolen from previous religious cults and their '
saviours'...

pretty lame cult writers these christians hired. the daily show could do better...
debsuelyn

El Dorado Hills, CA

#214213 Sep 3, 2013
debsuelyn wrote:
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Hate?
I hate no one. I would rather see them repent for their sins and enter the Gates of Heaven. You on the other hand just might want to see these gays (which you claim you are not one of) live eternity in the fiery pits of Hell.
Who is the hater? Those who wish to save sinners or those willing to see them condemned?
I wish to remind you and everyone on the forum that I did not write the Scriptures, I only quote from them. I also believe in them fully. God did not let his Creation hanging on a limb to try and find out who HE IS. He had His Prophets write for Him. It is not my fault that you do not like what I write, for you are letting God know how much you do not like what he wrote!!

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#214214 Sep 3, 2013
debsuelyn wrote:
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You too have sinned. The fact I was able to accept my sins and repent only to become a born again Christian will bring my soul to the heavens while yours will only perish unless you vacate the sinful lifestyle of performing in a homosexual lifestyle.
you got sucked into a cult when you were vulnerable.

glad the cult helped you with your addictions...
The AssTroll Stopper

Brooklyn, NY

#214215 Sep 3, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>There is a philosophy professor friend of mine who would pummel you mercilessly for assuming you have proven God doesn't exist.

I'm not going to bother with your ignorant arrogance. Sounds like you have issues. Fundie family?
Woodick would be the first to pray to the very thing he claims don't exist, if a disaster befalls him or someone close to him and there's no where to turn for help.
debsuelyn

El Dorado Hills, CA

#214216 Sep 3, 2013
kookaa wrote:
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Just shutup now, ho. You go around banging random dudes for coin and have the nerve to pass judgment on people for being gay? LOL. Whatever ho-bag. Dismissed.
Anyone like you that will try to change my post will be turned over to Topix this evening for trying to damage my charactor. You have done enough and I am going to ask if you can be removed. All the things that you changed on my post is not who I am, that is who you are and I will not be brought down to your level of thinking. You have gone to far this time.

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