Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Big D

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Zoro wrote:
<quoted text>RaMen
LOL!

Hey they took on the Kansas City school board and won, hats off to them.
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C'mon, thief, was that your best shot? Let's see some of that intellectual firepower you losers claim to have.

I'm laughing at you, Zero.
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Zoro wrote:
<quoted text>It was from your link . Like I said what religion should we use?
Like I said probably 4 or 5 times by now. None. You are the one wishing to violate the first amendment, not I.

Next time you get the urge to ask what religion we should use, please try to remember the first amendment. Please. it's ridiculous you ask that dumb question over and over when I have already answered it.
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Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Please try and get it through your thick head I am not asking to change a law based on religion.
But you are trying to justify the law against polygamy based on religion.
You love to cite the First Amendment read it. You are attempting to violate it by basing a law on religion.
You would deny a whole group rights because some of them are of a religion you hate.
How does it feel to argue against equality you bigot?
Look all the groups that YOU have listed that wish Polygamy, do so based on their religious beliefes. So you are saying that the laws reguarding polygamy be changed to suit religion. WE as a Nation do not make laws based on religion. What is so hard to understand?
If we change laws based on religion which religion shall we base them on?

The First Amendment says that we will not have a national religion. You as a citizen are free to worship as you see fit. You may follow your religious laws as you see fit. But religious laws do not trump civil laws.
Example. Your religion says that you must pray twice a day. Great do so. Now try and make a civil law that requires me to pray twice a day.

Your religion says polygamy is accepted. Our civil laws sa no, guess what. The correct answer is NO.

Now post a link to the 500,000 people who wish polygamy, that are not based on religious beliefes.

Don't you understand that IF we allow that one simple change in the structure of our base of law making, we will open the door to many many more changes based on religion.

A standard will have been set, what will stop other religions from demanding equal treatment of their beliefs?

Repeal of Roe V Wade
Slavery
Womens rights
Dietary laws
Sodomy laws
Adultery laws
The list can and will grow.
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I dunno, I sometimes feel guilty slapping it around. It's like I walked into a mental ward to pick a fight.
They truly are pitiful, aren't they?
Jizzy is truly a moron. That's why the silly jackass is fun.

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Zoro wrote:
<quoted text>Look all the groups that YOU have listed that wish Polygamy, do so based on their religious beliefes. So you are saying that the laws reguarding polygamy be changed to suit religion. WE as a Nation do not make laws based on religion. What is so hard to understand?
If we change laws based on religion which religion shall we base them on?
The First Amendment says that we will not have a national religion. You as a citizen are free to worship as you see fit. You may follow your religious laws as you see fit. But religious laws do not trump civil laws.
Example. Your religion says that you must pray twice a day. Great do so. Now try and make a civil law that requires me to pray twice a day.
Your religion says polygamy is accepted. Our civil laws sa no, guess what. The correct answer is NO.
Now post a link to the 500,000 people who wish polygamy, that are not based on religious beliefes.
Don't you understand that IF we allow that one simple change in the structure of our base of law making, we will open the door to many many more changes based on religion.
A standard will have been set, what will stop other religions from demanding equal treatment of their beliefs?
Repeal of Roe V Wade
Slavery
Womens rights
Dietary laws
Sodomy laws
Adultery laws
The list can and will grow.
SSM and polygamy both have nothing to do with religion. You and D are only here to push your atheist religion of nothing. How can SSM be about equal rights but other minority groups are left to fend for themselves?
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LOL!
Hey they took on the Kansas City school board and won, hats off to them.
You bet they did.
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Is Frankie really that damn stupid? How hard is it to understand that we do not enact laws based on religious beliefes?
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<quoted text>You bet they did.
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Is Frankie really that damn stupid? How hard is it to understand that we do not enact laws based on religious beliefes?
I am cracking up at his comments, did he say we should not use religion to deny rights to others?

Who funded Prop 8 again?

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Zoro wrote:
<quoted text>You bet they did.
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Is Frankie really that damn stupid? How hard is it to understand that we do not enact laws based on religious beliefes?
I forgot to answer your question

Yes, he is
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C'mon, thief, was that your best shot? Let's see some of that intellectual firepower you losers claim to have.
I'm laughing at you, Zero.
Me too! Jizzy is lots of fun. I love it when he comes around.

He posts "Blow me" vertically like some 4th grade moron. Too funny!
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Zoro wrote:
<quoted text>Look all the groups that YOU have listed that wish Polygamy, do so based on their religious beliefes. So you are saying that the laws reguarding polygamy be changed to suit religion. WE as a Nation do not make laws based on religion. What is so hard to understand?
If we change laws based on religion which religion shall we base them on?
The First Amendment says that we will not have a national religion. You as a citizen are free to worship as you see fit. You may follow your religious laws as you see fit. But religious laws do not trump civil laws.
Example. Your religion says that you must pray twice a day. Great do so. Now try and make a civil law that requires me to pray twice a day.
Your religion says polygamy is accepted. Our civil laws sa no, guess what. The correct answer is NO.
Now post a link to the 500,000 people who wish polygamy, that are not based on religious beliefes.
Don't you understand that IF we allow that one simple change in the structure of our base of law making, we will open the door to many many more changes based on religion.
A standard will have been set, what will stop other religions from demanding equal treatment of their beliefs?
Repeal of Roe V Wade
Slavery
Womens rights
Dietary laws
Sodomy laws
Adultery laws
The list can and will grow.
There you go again basing rights on religion. Two words for you Jiz. First Amendment.
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Me too! Jizzy is lots of fun. I love it when he comes around.
He posts "Blow me" vertically like some 4th grade moron. Too funny!
What was it one of them said to you about being attention starved?
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I think is SUCKS, that what the people want doesnt matter!!!! What ever happen to the VOICE of the people. It was voted on and should stand!!! Shame on you JUDGE
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I am cracking up at his comments, did he say we should not use religion to deny rights to others?
Who funded Prop 8 again?
( chuckle )
Ummm lets see,

Religious organizationsThe Roman Catholic Church,[53] as well as a Roman Catholic lay fraternal organization, the Knights of Columbus,[54] firmly supported the measure. The bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition,[55] a position met with mixed reactions among church members, including clergy.[56][57]


Rally for Yes on Prop 8 in FresnoThe Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints[58][59][60](the LDS Church or, informally, the Mormon Church), also publicly supported the proposition. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter intended to be read in every congregation in California. In this letter, church members were encouraged to "do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time."[58] The church produced and broadcast to its congregations a program describing the support of the Proposition, and describing the timeline it proposes for what it describes as grassroots efforts to support the Proposition.[61] Local church leaders set organizational and monetary goals for their membership—sometimes quite specific—to fulfill this call.[62][63] The response of church members to their leadership's appeals to donate money and volunteer time was very supportive,[64] such that Latter-day Saints provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California.[65] LDS members contributed over $20 million,[66] about 45% of out-of-state contributions to ProtectMarriage.com came from Utah, over three times more than any other state.[67] ProtectMarriage, the official proponent of Proposition 8, estimates that about half the donations they received came from Mormon sources, and that LDS church members made up somewhere between 80% and 90% of the volunteers for early door-to-door canvassing.[68]

Other religious organizations that supported Proposition 8 include the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America,[69] Eastern Orthodox Church,[70] a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson,[71] American Family Association, Focus on the Family[72] and the National Organization for Marriage.[73] Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, also endorsed the measure.[74]

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I forgot to answer your question
Yes, he is
As the faded thread hero to you clowns "Rose_NoHo" would say - Even if that were true, it would be a non-issue.

Even if I was really as Jizzy says "that damn stupid", you'd still be wrong. Cool huh?

We don't base who we give rights to on religion. Please explain that to your mentor Jizzy. He wants to deny all polygamists rights because some of them are of a religion he hates. And you back him up.
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<quoted text>SSM and polygamy both have nothing to do with religion. You and D are only here to push your atheist religion of nothing. How can SSM be about equal rights but other minority groups are left to fend for themselves?
Who are the people that want polygamy? Please show me, post a link. Evrey time Frankie does, it lists religious sects. They are requesting polygamy based on religious principles.

Frankie said that another 500,000 peole where also requesting polygamy and where not doing it based on religion. He has yet to produce the documentation.

Can you?
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I am cracking up at his comments, did he say we should not use religion to deny rights to others?
Who funded Prop 8 again?
( chuckle )
I didn't fund prop 8.(chuckle).

I support marriage equality and you and Jizzy do not.(chuckle).

Chuckle chuckle!
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There you go again basing rights on religion. Two words for you Jiz. First Amendment.
Gawwwd are you thick as a brick. I don't care what your religion is, worship as you see fit or don't, it matters not.

We will not change laws based on religion.
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<quoted text>Ummm lets see,
Religious organizationsThe Roman Catholic Church,[53] as well as a Roman Catholic lay fraternal organization, the Knights of Columbus,[54] firmly supported the measure. The bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition,[55] a position met with mixed reactions among church members, including clergy.[56][57]
Rally for Yes on Prop 8 in FresnoThe Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints[58][59][60](the LDS Church or, informally, the Mormon Church), also publicly supported the proposition. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter intended to be read in every congregation in California. In this letter, church members were encouraged to "do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time."[58] The church produced and broadcast to its congregations a program describing the support of the Proposition, and describing the timeline it proposes for what it describes as grassroots efforts to support the Proposition.[61] Local church leaders set organizational and monetary goals for their membership—sometimes quite specific—to fulfill this call.[62][63] The response of church members to their leadership's appeals to donate money and volunteer time was very supportive,[64] such that Latter-day Saints provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California.[65] LDS members contributed over $20 million,[66] about 45% of out-of-state contributions to ProtectMarriage.com came from Utah, over three times more than any other state.[67] ProtectMarriage, the official proponent of Proposition 8, estimates that about half the donations they received came from Mormon sources, and that LDS church members made up somewhere between 80% and 90% of the volunteers for early door-to-door canvassing.[68]
Other religious organizations that supported Proposition 8 include the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America,[69] Eastern Orthodox Church,[70] a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson,[71] American Family Association, Focus on the Family[72] and the National Organization for Marriage.[73] Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, also endorsed the measure.[74]
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So what? How does that justify your attempt to justify the ban on polygamy with religion? You say polygamy shouldn't be allowed because some of it's adherents are religious. Then you attempt to say I am basing my support on religion. I am not. You are the one keeps bringing religion into it.
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<quoted text>Gawwwd are you thick as a brick. I don't care what your religion is, worship as you see fit or don't, it matters not.
We will not change laws based on religion.
So why do you attempt to justify yourself denying rights based on religion? You wish to deny marriage equality because you don't like the religions that practice poly.

Indeed. Thick as a brick.

If we could possibly get past your obsession with religion, what non religious reasons do you have to deny marriage equality?

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