Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Gay marriage IS NOT NEW! History is replete with instances of same-sex marriage; even in the Christian church.
You act as though marriage has ALWAYS been between one man and one woman. And it has not!
Polygamy, arranged marriages, ghost marriages, same-sex marriage, opposite-sex marriage; they're ALL a part of the history of mankind.
Besides, same-sex marriage is what our current cultures and societies are demanding NOW! Who gives a damn what happened in the past?!?
You want to go back to the days of slavery? You want to go back to the days of burning people at the stake? You want to go back to a time when people believe the Earth was the center of the Universe? Be my guest!
But we're talking about the PRESENT! We're talking about the rights of people TODAY--based on TODAY'S understanding of human sexuality, human rights, equality...
If you and a few other "slippery slope" idiots want to argue in favor of polygamy, be our guests. But DO NOT try to pin it on the same-sex marriage movement.
Opposite sex marriage has led to same sex marriage so you are a "slippery slope idiot". Not me. Polygamy has been the norm way longer than SSM. And much more common. And it won't hurt you. Hell, it will be so rare you'll probably never have to be offended by the sight of a happy poly family.
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Oh!!! Everybody sit down and pay close attention to Kimare. SHHHH!!!
He's come up with a BRAND NEW scientific concept!!!
Now there will be an entire science dedicated to nothing but "the failure of mating behavior" in human beings!!(!!trumpets blaring!!)
NEVER in my WILDEST dreams did I think I would see such BRILLIANCE!!
Wait... I did see such brilliance once before. In fact, it was about an hour ago when I went "number two" in the toilet.
Try and relax power ranger.

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In either of the two cases argued before the Supreme Court--or in any other cases argued before any court--can you show me one shred of evidence; dialogue or transcripts, that would indicate that the goal of same-sex marriage is to end monogamy?
You are arguing for the end of the single marital standard of one man and one woman as husband and wife. Are you not? Actually polygamy was mentioned during the proceedings.
It doesn't exist because it has NEVER been a goal of our movement towards same-sex marriage.
We want THE SAME rights and protections of heterosexual couples--IDENTICAL rights.
Then marry the same way and you'll get THE SAME rights. Quite logical. But that is not what you seek.
NO ONE is arguing in favor of polygamy.
When will you people get that through your thick skulls?!?
Oh but they are.

The definition of marriage is plastic. Just like heterosexual marriage is no better or worse than homosexual marriage, marriage between two consenting adults is not inherently more or less “correct” than marriage among three (or four, or six) consenting adults. Though polygamists are a minority—a tiny minority, in fact—freedom has no value unless it extends to even the smallest and most marginalized groups among us. So let’s fight for marriage equality until it extends to every same-sex couple in the United States—and then let’s keep fighting. We’re not done yet
If you guys could stop lying and stop trying to scare people, maybe we could find a solution that everyone agrees on.
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Gay marriage IS NOT NEW! History is replete with instances of same-sex marriage;
"Replete"? Scattered.....in different places not sustained..nor cross cultural.
even in the Christian church.
Not Boswell's work which has been refuted.

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You act as though marriage has ALWAYS been between one man and one woman. And it has not!
Polygamy, arranged marriages, ghost marriages, same-sex marriage, opposite-sex marriage;
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The one cross cultural cross time composition, male female.
they're ALL a part of the history of mankind.
Besides, same-sex marriage is what our current cultures and societies are demanding NOW!
That demand is not as extensive as u imply. Even in the gay community its not the big seller u indicate. Plus more female couples marry than male.
Who gives a damn what happened in the past?!?
You want to go back to the days of slavery? You want to go back to the days of burning people at the stake? You want to go back to a time when people believe the Earth was the center of the Universe? Be my guest!
Seriously VeeVee? All that to argue that monogamous conjugal marriage should not be the sole legal definition. You're smarter than that.
But we're talking about the PRESENT! We're talking about the rights of people TODAY--based on TODAY'S understanding of human sexuality, human rights, equality...
Different situation, different solution, civil union.
If you and a few other "slippery slope" idiots want to argue in favor of polygamy, be our guests. But DO NOT try to pin it on the same-sex marriage movement.
Why not? If not for SSM, polygamy wouldn't have a precedent. Even SSMers can see this. Again, why does it matter, if monogamous conjugal marriage is no longer the sole definition?
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Same-gender couples who adopt children undergo extreme scrutiny--more scrutiny, I'll bet, than opposite-gender couples. The love, support, discipline, and nurturing these kids receive are far superior to the environments they came from.
And I'd be willing to guarantee that many of these kids live in a happier, more stable home environment than you provided your own kids; what with whipping them from state to state, running from your own self-created demons.
You have said several times that you were victimized by a an insane person. That's why you left Hawaii. But I know that it takes two to play any game. You put your family through hell. You put your own wants and desires before their interests.
What a joke...
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Interesting. This slander from a supposed professional social worker...
You prove my point VV.
Hogwash, child. I haven't read much for the last few days, however, if you've mentioned that you relocated your children from one place to another there is no slander in mentioning just how stressful relocations are for a child. You claim victimization by an insane person and VV mentions the one sided nature of your claim. In spite of your protest, it DOES take two to tango. You immersed yourself in a relationship with someone you claim was insane. Then you fled at your children's expense (relocation is stressful) yet you've got the nerve to blather on about gays providing less than desirable family environments for children. Quite a bit of the pot calling the kettle black on your part. And a bit of cry baby for attempting to call common sense slander. WhassamattahU, can't take it but can dish it out? 8485
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I was, like, in Whole Foods and, like, farted, and it, like, stunk really really bad.

I got 13 marriage proposals before checking out.

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Poly MARRIAGE deserves the SAME respect and consideration that same sex MARRIAGE does. You know, equal. They are both marriage. Your favorite one is not more worthy than anyone else's favorite one.
Marriage. There is no one right way.
What have you done to get polygamous marriages legalized besides flap your gums you old fool hater?
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What have you done to get polygamous marriages legalized besides flap your gums you old fool hater?
I simply want to discuss marriage equality, young fool hater. I'm too old and disabled to change the world and you could be doing it if you weren't so angry. My activist days are over.

You are a hypocrite. And you are mad at me because I support poly marriage and you do not.

Polygamy deserves the same respect and consideration as SSM. Perhaps you disagree? Let's cut through your bullsh!t sonny.
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What have you done to get polygamous marriages legalized besides flap your gums you old fool hater?
Actually flapping my gums has gotten at least one hater to realize poly deserves respect and consideration too. "Big D" started out vehemently against poly but now supports it. You can change too!
Lose the hate!

Marriage. There is no ONE right way!
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You are arguing for the end of the single marital standard of one man and one woman as husband and wife. Are you not? Actually polygamy was mentioned during the proceedings.
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Then marry the same way and you'll get THE SAME rights. Quite logical. But that is not what you seek.
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Oh but they are.
The definition of marriage is plastic. Just like heterosexual marriage is no better or worse than homosexual marriage, marriage between two consenting adults is not inherently more or less “correct” than marriage among three (or four, or six) consenting adults. Though polygamists are a minority—a tiny minority, in fact—freedom has no value unless it extends to even the smallest and most marginalized groups among us. So let’s fight for marriage equality until it extends to every same-sex couple in the United States—and then let’s keep fighting. We’re not done yet
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Civil union
The author of this OPINION post in Slate Magazine is Jillian Keenan--a heterosexual woman who studied Shakespeare at Stanford. She is a freelance writer. She IS NOT an attorney. She DID NOT argue any of the cases supporting same-sex marriage before ANY court.

She DOES NOT speak for the gay community. She speaks for HERSELF and for anyone foolish enough to support her idiotic nonsense.

You claimed that gay people who seek same-sex marriage want to end monogamy between heterosexual couples. And you HAVE NOT proven this to be the case.

You continue to try to scare people into believing that gays want to destroy families.

If you are a Christian person, you REALLY should know better than to outright lie.

If you want to take apart same-sex marriage point by point, then do so truthfully. When you resort to lying, then you have lost credibility in this discussion.

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"Replete"? Scattered.....in different places not sustained..nor cross cultural.
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Not Boswell's work which has been refuted.
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The one cross cultural cross time composition, male female.
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That demand is not as extensive as u imply. Even in the gay community its not the big seller u indicate. Plus more female couples marry than male.
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Seriously VeeVee? All that to argue that monogamous conjugal marriage should not be the sole legal definition. You're smarter than that.
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Different situation, different solution, civil union.
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Why not? If not for SSM, polygamy wouldn't have a precedent. Even SSMers can see this. Again, why does it matter, if monogamous conjugal marriage is no longer the sole definition?
1.) Prove to me that same-sex marriage or unions has not been "sustained". Prove to me that same-sex marriage or unions has not been "cross cultural".
You seem to think that all of history has been recorded. You seem to think that historical data that has later been found to be objectionable has remained available for us to read and understand.
The truth of the matter is that even today we find examples attempts to erase "disagreeable" history.
The Buddhas of Bamiyan, previously found in central Afghanistan, were built in 6th century. In 2001 the Taliban blew up the Buddhas because of their present day religious ideology viewed them as "idols".
Do you think it's possible that over the centuries Christians could have acted similarly; expunging any records of same-sex marriages or unions?
I think it's more likely than not.
I believe this because gay people, just like straight people, want to be with someone--what to be bonded with someone long-term. The 20th century is not the first time gays attempted to force recognition of their relationships. That doesn't make sense.

2.) Boswell's book as been criticized by some and supported by some. The people who have criticized his work do so based on educated "opinion" and "belief".
Neither you nor I are qualified to know definitively whether or not Boswell is right.
However, for the reasons I explained above, I believe that this isn't the first time same-sex marriages/unions has come up across the eons of history.

3.) We've talked about the word "conjugal" before. You incorrectly believe that the word only applies to heterosexual couples. It actually applies to all spouses. And in this country and around the world, there are many same-sex spouses.

4.) If you're going to blame anyone for the "slippery slope" when it comes to marriage, you have no one to blame other than yourself. Your own marriage, and the marriages of hundreds of millions of people are the reasons that same-sex couples want to marry. We want the rights and protections.

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The author of this OPINION post in Slate Magazine is Jillian Keenan--a heterosexual woman who studied Shakespeare at Stanford. She is a freelance writer. She IS NOT an attorney. She DID NOT argue any of the cases supporting same-sex marriage before ANY court.
I never said she was an attorney, rather someone who supports SSM and recognizes marriage equality extends to polygamists.
She DOES NOT speak for the gay community. She speaks for HERSELF and for anyone foolish enough to support her idiotic nonsense.
What idiotic nonsense? The notion that marriage equality is not limited to SSM?
You claimed that gay people who seek same-sex marriage want to end monogamy between heterosexual couples. And you HAVE NOT proven this to be the case.
Noooooo.....I state a fact. Gay people, some, wish to eliminate the sole legal definition of marriage as a monogamous union of husband and wife.
You continue to try to scare people into believing that gays want to destroy families.
Why do some gays not want polygamist families to receive legal recognition?
If you are a Christian person, you REALLY should know better than to outright lie.
Reread my post, no "outright lies", that is an outright lie.
If you want to take apart same-sex marriage point by point, then do so truthfully. When you resort to lying, then you have lost credibility in this discussion.
As do u. Why does it matter if the legal definition of husband and wife no longer matters, that further changes/redefinitions are made?

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So why don't you enlighten us... Why do animals engage in homosexual behavior?
Far be it from me to call you an outright liar (again), but a brief analysis of online studies indicates that no one really knows why animals engage in homosexual behavior.
Theories abound, but no one knows definitively.
The REAL question that needs to be asked is "Who cares?"
You keep looking for purposes and reasons.
Are you just trying to understand yourself better? Is that it?
It's common to want to know why you have feelings that you might find disturbing. Because if you know "why", then maybe you believe you can fix whatever is wrong.
Girl, here's the thing... At your ripe old age, it's too late. If you get a little rise in your skirt when you see some hot guy down at the Wal-Mart, it's not going to change at this point.
Stop asking why, already... It's time for you to take that next big step and just embrace that fact that homosexuality exists--for whatever reason.
A gay twirl lip wristed hissy fit with a serious comprehension deficit.

I didn't say animals engaged in homosexual behavior. I said scientists term it SSSB, because most often it is not based on sexual orientation.

Why homosexuality exists is important because that knowledge is required to term it normal or abnormal. Something you already claim to know...

Hence the article I posted that noted the lack of an answer stumped scientists, because it has remained unanswered for so long. Unless you accept the fact that it is an aberration of nature. A defect. A dead end mutation.

As a near senile old jack ass, even I can understand this. And you, the hulking queen continues to rule the kingdom of Denial.

Smile.

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In either of the two cases argued before the Supreme Court--or in any other cases argued before any court--can you show me one shred of evidence; dialogue or transcripts, that would indicate that the goal of same-sex marriage is to end monogamy?
It doesn't exist because it has NEVER been a goal of our movement towards same-sex marriage.
We want THE SAME rights and protections of heterosexual couples--IDENTICAL rights.
NO ONE is arguing in favor of polygamy.
When will you people get that through your thick skulls?!?
If you guys could stop lying and stop trying to scare people, maybe we could find a solution that everyone agrees on.
Fact; Sterile, duplicated ss couples do not equate to marriage.

Solution; Establish your own relational identity and acquire your own rights.

See how simple that was?

Smile.

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Gay marriage IS NOT NEW! History is replete with instances of same-sex marriage; even in the Christian church.
A lie.

If you repeat a lie often enough, does it become a truth?

Life in the kingdom of Denial under Queen VV.

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Failure of mating behavior.
Smile.
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I didn't say the failure of procreation, I said the failure of mating behavior.
Exemplified by the question;
Why does a butch lesbian dress and act like a man to attract another lesbian?
Your posts only prove one thing... Once a liar, always a liar.
Snicker.
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Oh!!! Everybody sit down and pay close attention to Kimare. SHHHH!!!
He's come up with a BRAND NEW scientific concept!!!
Now there will be an entire science dedicated to nothing but "the failure of mating behavior" in human beings!!(!!trumpets blaring!!)
NEVER in my WILDEST dreams did I think I would see such BRILLIANCE!!
Wait... I did see such brilliance once before. In fact, it was about an hour ago when I went "number two" in the toilet.
Terminal comprehension deficit from the Queen of Denial complaining about an abused sphincter muscle.

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Same-gender couples who adopt children undergo extreme scrutiny--more scrutiny, I'll bet, than opposite-gender couples. The love, support, discipline, and nurturing these kids receive are far superior to the environments they came from.
And I'd be willing to guarantee that many of these kids live in a happier, more stable home environment than you provided your own kids; what with whipping them from state to state, running from your own self-created demons.
You have said several times that you were victimized by a an insane person. That's why you left Hawaii. But I know that it takes two to play any game. You put your family through hell. You put your own wants and desires before their interests.
What a joke...
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Hogwash, child. I haven't read much for the last few days, however, if you've mentioned that you relocated your children from one place to another there is no slander in mentioning just how stressful relocations are for a child. You claim victimization by an insane person and VV mentions the one sided nature of your claim. In spite of your protest, it DOES take two to tango. You immersed yourself in a relationship with someone you claim was insane. Then you fled at your children's expense (relocation is stressful) yet you've got the nerve to blather on about gays providing less than desirable family environments for children. Quite a bit of the pot calling the kettle black on your part. And a bit of cry baby for attempting to call common sense slander. WhassamattahU, can't take it but can dish it out? 8485
The problem isn't that you don't read much, it is that you don't comprehend much.

That coupled with your hatred and bigotry would give my crazy person a run for his money...

Bazinga!

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1.) Prove to me that same-sex marriage or unions has not been "sustained". Prove to me that same-sex marriage or unions has not been "cross cultural".
Where is the historical evidence that societies around the globe, across time and place, recognized same sex marriage? There are a few examples, but clearly no indication this was cross cultural cross time practice.Certainly not in Western Civilization.
You seem to think that all of history has been recorded. You seem to think that historical data that has later been found to be objectionable has remained available for us to read and understand.
The truth of the matter is that even today we find examples attempts to erase "disagreeable" history.
Of course not all of history was recorded. But with no evidence at all, its speculation, plausible or not.
The Buddhas of Bamiyan, previously found in central Afghanistan, were built in 6th century. In 2001 the Taliban blew up the Buddhas because of their present day religious ideology viewed them as "idols".
A disgrace as well. A world treasure destroyed.
Do you think it's possible that over the centuries Christians could have acted similarly; expunging any records of same-sex marriages or unions?
I think it's more likely than not.
Perhaps, but you raise a good point. Not all recognized ss unions were considered marriage.
I believe this because gay people, just like straight people, want to be with someone--what to be bonded with someone long-term.
I'm not disagreeing.
The 20th century is not the first time gays attempted to force recognition of their relationships. That doesn't make sense.
Show me the money.... Point to any historical record of a sustained movement to have ss relationships recognized in any form, let alone as marriage.
2.) Boswell's book as been criticized by some and supported by some. The people who have criticized his work do so based on educated "opinion" and "belief".
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Religious brother bonding ceremonies.
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Neither you nor I are qualified to know definitively whether or not Boswell is right.
However, for the reasons I explained above, I believe that this isn't the first time same-sex marriages/unions has come up across the eons of history.
Scattered historical examples only.
3.) We've talked about the word "conjugal" before. You incorrectly believe that the word only applies to heterosexual couples. It actually applies to all spouses. And in this country and around the world, there are many same-sex spouses.
"Conjugal", as in "husband and wife".
4.) If you're going to blame anyone for the "slippery slope" when it comes to marriage, you have no one to blame other than yourself. Your own marriage, and the marriages of hundreds of millions of people are the reasons that same-sex couples want to marry. We want the rights and protections.
Agreed, we fumbled the ball.....so to speak. Screwed up.

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