Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,156

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Pessitor

Covina, CA

#192484 May 17, 2013
Batteries not included.
Pessitor

Covina, CA

#192485 May 17, 2013
Condoms for prisoners and porn stars debated at the highest levels?

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#192486 May 17, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
Natural law arguments also fail. Biologists lately have discovered that in the animal kingdom, there is almost no such thing as monogamy.
In 1878, the Supreme Court in Reynolds v. U.S. called plural marriage “odious,” and an “offence against society.” In Romer v. Evans (1996), and again in Lawrence v. Texas (2003), Justice Antonin Scalia’s dissent warned against legalizing same-sex marriage, noting that once the court struck down a legislature’s ability to uphold “morals-based legislation,” the ban against plural marriage would be the next thing to go.
Since then, TV shows such as TLC’s “Sister Wives,” HBO’s “Big Love” and Showtime’s “Polyamory” have done much to sway public opinion in favor of poly-ness, bringing the concept into the nation’s collective living room and consciousness.
With DOMA now on the table, it’s time to bring the issue back to court.
Mark Goldfeder is an adjunct professor of law and religion at Georgia State University, and a member of the Center for the Study of Law and Religion at Emory University.
In the Loving v. Virginia court case that legalized interracial marriage, the Virginia Assistant Attorney General R. D. McIlwaine, argued for Virginia's ban on interracial marriage.

He said, "[T]he State's prohibition of interracial marriage ... stands on the same footing as the prohibition of polygamous marriage, or incestuous marriage, or the prescription of minimum ages at which people may marry, and the prevention of the marriage of people who are mentally incompetent."

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So we've heard all of this before--46 years ago.

Tell me, did interracial marriage lead to polygamy?

Didn't think so...

Come up with some new material.
Politics of 501 c 4s

Covina, CA

#192488 May 17, 2013
The 501(c)(4) tax exemption was written for civic groups engaged in efforts to beautify a town, for example, or to build a stadium for a school, or to encourage interest in the arts - social-welfare effects that improve a community at large. Partisan politics should not be part of that picture.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192489 May 17, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
Polygamy and DOMA
By mark goldfeder
Published: May 11, 2013 01:01AM
Updated: May 11, 2013 01:01AM
While the Supreme Court ponders the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act, activists along the political spectrum are voicing their opinions on monogamy’s core institution and whom it should include. Most miss the following point: DOMA doesn’t just prohibit gay marriage by defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. It also prohibits plural marriage by limiting it to one and one.
The plural marriage movement is real. An estimated 50,000 to 150,000 polygamous families already live in America, from the well-publicized Muslims and Mormons to the African and Vietnamese immigrants keeping up their cultural ways. From modern feminists looking for a better work/life balance, to family traditionalists, who maintain that any marriage is better than none in the fight against the rising tide of single parents, cohabitation, and divorce.
Over 500,000 others identify as polyamorous, and engage in “ethical non-monogamy”— loving, committed, concurrent, consensual relationships with multiple partners.
The push for non-monogamous marriage reveals some unexpected bedfellows: Everyone from former presidents to the remarried elderly couple next door. Experts say that 30 to 60 percent of married people in the U.S. will commit adultery over the course of their ‘exclusive, dyadic relationships,’ producing a form of de facto polygamy. Thousands of others will actually marry a second, sometimes even a third person, albeit after a legal divorce from their original spouse.
The rise of no-fault divorce has made “polygamy on the installment plan” more and more common for adults of all ages. Whether it’s de facto polygamy in the form of adultery, or serial polygamy with no-fault divorce, we as Americans have already broken the sanctity of the “couple.”
While some believe that plural marriage could lead to harm against women, regulation would protect them. And what about egalitarian polygamy, based on adult consent? Is it inherently abusive? Or more abusive than many “traditional” marriages based on patriarchal domination?
If the concern were third-party harms against children, why would these kids be any different than the thousands who already grow up with more than two parents in their lives? Forget stepparents, open-adoptions, extended familial networks, and other “classic” multi-parental settings. In cases of egg donors and surrogate mothers, courts have ruled that children can have three natural parents. Maybe more is even better; recent studies indicate that children in polyamorous households benefit from increased attention and diversity of role models.
Those who would argue against plural marriage have their work cut out for them. The Bible records at least 40 instances of the practice. Confucianism, Islam, Hinduism, and some forms of Mormonism also support it. While Catholicism bans it, other forms of Christianity are somewhat less opposed.
Plural marriage is legal in more than 150 countries, with an estimated 2 billion practitioners and 3 billion supporters. Anthropologists believe that it was the norm through most of human history, until the sixth century Christian influence of the Roman Emperor Justinian. As a North American value, plural marriage is older than monogamy. According to one study of Native American tribes, a full 84 percent of them practiced it.
Bravo!

And now the posts will roll in:

Rose_NoHo- "Polygamy is not an equal rights issue. It just isn't."

Big D- "You are not out in your wheelchair gathering signatures so you're not allowed to talk about polygamy. Which has no support anyway. Because polygamists are criminals using polygamy to commit their crimes."

Wait for all the dopey jackasses to hit you with the same dumb arguments used against SSM, Wait for them to fail to see the irony. You know the drill.
Politics of 501 c 4s

Covina, CA

#192490 May 17, 2013
We got to bring back the orginal 1959 rules for 501(c)4.

The 501(c)(4) tax exemption was written for civic groups engaged in efforts to beautify a town, for example, or to build a stadium for a school, or to encourage interest in the arts - social-welfare effects that improve a community at large. Partisan politics should not be part of that picture.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#192491 May 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course it has, documented in dozens of species, a very normal natural occurrence in nature.
The problem here is that we are trying to talk to the uneducated. Ignorance in this day and age is a choice, and we can’t teach people that choose to be ignorant.
You are confusing SSSB in nature with homosexuality. One of many differences is scientists understand the purposes of much of SSSB in animals, but they don't know the purpose of homosexuality in humans.

You were saying something about ignorance?

Snicker.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#192492 May 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Failure of mating behavior.
Smile.
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
The INABILITY to create an offspring is a medical disorder.
The DECISION to not create an offspring is a PERSONAL CHOICE.
There's no evidence that homosexuality is a sexual disorder.
Your posts only prove one thing... Once a loser, always a loser.
I didn't say the failure of procreation, I said the failure of mating behavior.

Exemplified by the question;

Why does a butch lesbian dress and act like a man to attract another lesbian?

Your posts only prove one thing... Once a liar, always a liar.

Snicker.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#192493 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
In the Loving v. Virginia court case that legalized interracial marriage, the Virginia Assistant Attorney General R. D. McIlwaine, argued for Virginia's ban on interracial marriage.
He said, "[T]he State's prohibition of interracial marriage ... stands on the same footing as the prohibition of polygamous marriage, or incestuous marriage, or the prescription of minimum ages at which people may marry, and the prevention of the marriage of people who are mentally incompetent."
----------
So we've heard all of this before--46 years ago.
Tell me, did interracial marriage lead to polygamy?
Didn't think so...
Come up with some new material.
Silly me.....of course calling an intimate personal sexual relationship between two men or two women marriage is a new unbreakable standard....the proverbial line in the sand. Almost time for "Sister Wives"....pull up a chair.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#192494 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
In the Loving v. Virginia court case that legalized interracial marriage, the Virginia Assistant Attorney General R. D. McIlwaine, argued for Virginia's ban on interracial marriage.
He said, "[T]he State's prohibition of interracial marriage ... stands on the same footing as the prohibition of polygamous marriage, or incestuous marriage, or the prescription of minimum ages at which people may marry, and the prevention of the marriage of people who are mentally incompetent."
----------
So we've heard all of this before--46 years ago.
Tell me, did interracial marriage lead to polygamy?
Didn't think so...
Come up with some new material.
On second thought.....why do you care? The unspoken goal of the SSM movement is to break the monopoly that monogamous opposite couples have on legal marriage, is it not? Why should it matter what happens after that?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#192495 May 17, 2013
“Truth has always had many loud proclaimers, but the question is whether a person will in the deepest sense acknowledge the truth, allow it to permeate his whole being, accept all its consequences, and not have an emergency hiding place for himself and a Judas kiss for the consequence.”

Soren Kierkegaard
501 c 4s politics

Covina, CA

#192496 May 17, 2013
True Americans need to bring back the orginal 1959 rules for 501(c)4.

The 501(c)(4) tax exemption was written for civic groups engaged in efforts to beautify a town, for example, or to build a stadium for a school, or to encourage interest in the arts - social-welfare effects that improve a community at large. Partisan politics should not be part of that picture.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#192497 May 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You are confusing SSSB in nature with homosexuality. One of many differences is scientists understand the purposes of much of SSSB in animals, but they don't know the purpose of homosexuality in humans.
You were saying something about ignorance?
Snicker.
So why don't you enlighten us... Why do animals engage in homosexual behavior?

Far be it from me to call you an outright liar (again), but a brief analysis of online studies indicates that no one really knows why animals engage in homosexual behavior.

Theories abound, but no one knows definitively.

The REAL question that needs to be asked is "Who cares?"

You keep looking for purposes and reasons.

Are you just trying to understand yourself better? Is that it?

It's common to want to know why you have feelings that you might find disturbing. Because if you know "why", then maybe you believe you can fix whatever is wrong.

Girl, here's the thing... At your ripe old age, it's too late. If you get a little rise in your skirt when you see some hot guy down at the Wal-Mart, it's not going to change at this point.

Stop asking why, already... It's time for you to take that next big step and just embrace that fact that homosexuality exists--for whatever reason.
Cancellation

Covina, CA

#192498 May 17, 2013
Planning Commission Regular Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:00 PM Notice of Cancellation Print PDF Agenda

Oversight Board Regular Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:00 PM Notice of Cancellation Print PDF Agenda

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#192499 May 17, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
On second thought.....why do you care? The unspoken goal of the SSM movement is to break the monopoly that monogamous opposite couples have on legal marriage, is it not? Why should it matter what happens after that?
In either of the two cases argued before the Supreme Court--or in any other cases argued before any court--can you show me one shred of evidence; dialogue or transcripts, that would indicate that the goal of same-sex marriage is to end monogamy?

It doesn't exist because it has NEVER been a goal of our movement towards same-sex marriage.

We want THE SAME rights and protections of heterosexual couples--IDENTICAL rights.

NO ONE is arguing in favor of polygamy.

When will you people get that through your thick skulls?!?

If you guys could stop lying and stop trying to scare people, maybe we could find a solution that everyone agrees on.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#192500 May 17, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Silly me.....of course calling an intimate personal sexual relationship between two men or two women marriage is a new unbreakable standard....the proverbial line in the sand. Almost time for "Sister Wives"....pull up a chair.
Gay marriage IS NOT NEW! History is replete with instances of same-sex marriage; even in the Christian church.

You act as though marriage has ALWAYS been between one man and one woman. And it has not!

Polygamy, arranged marriages, ghost marriages, same-sex marriage, opposite-sex marriage; they're ALL a part of the history of mankind.

Besides, same-sex marriage is what our current cultures and societies are demanding NOW! Who gives a damn what happened in the past?!?

You want to go back to the days of slavery? You want to go back to the days of burning people at the stake? You want to go back to a time when people believe the Earth was the center of the Universe? Be my guest!

But we're talking about the PRESENT! We're talking about the rights of people TODAY--based on TODAY'S understanding of human sexuality, human rights, equality...

If you and a few other "slippery slope" idiots want to argue in favor of polygamy, be our guests. But DO NOT try to pin it on the same-sex marriage movement.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192502 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
...NO ONE is arguing in favor of polygamy...
I AM.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192503 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay marriage IS NOT NEW! History is replete with instances of same-sex marriage; even in the Christian church.
You act as though marriage has ALWAYS been between one man and one woman. And it has not!
Polygamy, arranged marriages, ghost marriages, same-sex marriage, opposite-sex marriage; they're ALL a part of the history of mankind.
Besides, same-sex marriage is what our current cultures and societies are demanding NOW! Who gives a damn what happened in the past?!?
You want to go back to the days of slavery? You want to go back to the days of burning people at the stake? You want to go back to a time when people believe the Earth was the center of the Universe? Be my guest!
But we're talking about the PRESENT! We're talking about the rights of people TODAY--based on TODAY'S understanding of human sexuality, human rights, equality...
If you and a few other "slippery slope" idiots want to argue in favor of polygamy, be our guests. But DO NOT try to pin it on the same-sex marriage movement.
Poly MARRIAGE deserves the SAME respect and consideration that same sex MARRIAGE does. You know, equal. They are both marriage. Your favorite one is not more worthy than anyone else's favorite one.

Marriage. There is no one right way.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#192504 May 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Failure of mating behavior.
Smile.
<quoted text>
I didn't say the failure of procreation, I said the failure of mating behavior.
Exemplified by the question;
Why does a butch lesbian dress and act like a man to attract another lesbian?
Your posts only prove one thing... Once a liar, always a liar.
Snicker.
Oh!!! Everybody sit down and pay close attention to Kimare. SHHHH!!!

He's come up with a BRAND NEW scientific concept!!!

Now there will be an entire science dedicated to nothing but "the failure of mating behavior" in human beings!!(!!trumpets blaring!!)

NEVER in my WILDEST dreams did I think I would see such BRILLIANCE!!

Wait... I did see such brilliance once before. In fact, it was about an hour ago when I went "number two" in the toilet.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192505 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay marriage IS NOT NEW! History is replete with instances of same-sex marriage; even in the Christian church.
You act as though marriage has ALWAYS been between one man and one woman. And it has not!
Polygamy, arranged marriages, ghost marriages, same-sex marriage, opposite-sex marriage; they're ALL a part of the history of mankind.
Besides, same-sex marriage is what our current cultures and societies are demanding NOW! Who gives a damn what happened in the past?!?
You want to go back to the days of slavery? You want to go back to the days of burning people at the stake? You want to go back to a time when people believe the Earth was the center of the Universe? Be my guest!
But we're talking about the PRESENT! We're talking about the rights of people TODAY--based on TODAY'S understanding of human sexuality, human rights, equality...
If you and a few other "slippery slope" idiots want to argue in favor of polygamy, be our guests. But DO NOT try to pin it on the same-sex marriage movement.
Opposite sex marriage has led to same sex marriage so you are a "slippery slope idiot". Not me. Polygamy has been the norm way longer than SSM. And much more common. And it won't hurt you. Hell, it will be so rare you'll probably never have to be offended by the sight of a happy poly family.

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