Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 200,965

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#191761 May 10, 2013
Thump! There goes old piano legs!

It's the Clintons vs Obama over who takes the fall for the coverup in Benghazi. Gonna be good sport! The Clintons won't go down easy.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#191762 May 10, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
The liberal media is finally doing their job on Benghazi, with ABC taking the lead. The shine is off Obama's apple. Hillary's head will roll!
It's a coverup. From top to bottom. A gay man is killed. and The Obamaniac and Clinton scream "What does it matter ???"

Just like Watergate.

Time to impeach this bum !

Throw Stumblebum Joe in there.

NEXT !

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#191763 May 10, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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If legally joined same-gender couples would enjoy all of the benefits and protections as legally joined opposite-gender couples, then why should there be different terminology?
If you have a red rose and a pink rose, they are BOTH roses with only subtle differences.
All the benefits All the presumptions? All the protections? Everything the same? Uhhhhhhhh....not quite.

If you have two edible patties. Both have a similar brownish color, both are close in texture, and both even have grill marks. Obviously they must be hamburgers, they look like hamburgers, why they're even on buns with ketchup and mustard. Surprise! The one on the left is made from soy. The proof is in the pudding....uh burger.

We both know, evn though a veggie patty is called a "burger", its not, nor is "tofurkey", turkey. Appearences can be deceiving.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#191764 May 10, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
All the benefits All the presumptions? All the protections? Everything the same? Uhhhhhhhh....not quite.
If you have two edible patties. Both have a similar brownish color, both are close in texture, and both even have grill marks. Obviously they must be hamburgers, they look like hamburgers, why they're even on buns with ketchup and mustard. Surprise! The one on the left is made from soy. The proof is in the pudding....uh burger.
We both know, evn though a veggie patty is called a "burger", its not, nor is "tofurkey", turkey. Appearences can be deceiving.
A hamburger is a hamburger. A garden burger is a garden burger. These are two very different items--not even in the same ballpark.

Marriage, whether it's between same-gender or opposite gender couples, is composed of human beings. You said as much yourself when you suggested that same-gender couples should have all of the rights and benefits of marriage, but call it civil unions.
paul

Brooklyn, NY

#191765 May 10, 2013
just stupid, frankly
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#191766 May 10, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a coverup. From top to bottom. A gay man is killed. and The Obamaniac and Clinton scream "What does it matter ???"
Just like Watergate.
Time to impeach this bum !
Throw Stumblebum Joe in there.
NEXT !
Can you imagine? Giggling Joe becomes president? With those big fake white teeth. Spouting goofy nonsense.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#191768 May 10, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
A hamburger is a hamburger. A garden burger is a garden burger. These are two very different items--not even in the same ballpark.
Different ingredients, yet both are called burgers. Interesting....
Marriage, whether it's between same-gender or opposite gender couples, is composed of human beings. You said as much yourself when you suggested that same-gender couples should have all of the rights and benefits of marriage, but call it civil unions.
Different situations, different solutions.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191769 May 10, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you ASSume that gay people are sterile? Why do you ASSume that a liberal can not be patriotic? I think perhalps Colin Powell might just disagree.
Do try to keep up. 2 men cannot be a fertile couple. Impossible, see? 2 women may access laboratory processes to circumvent the lack of fertility. See? Wait until you get to 9th Grade, and they explain reproduction, it will be made clear to you, then...
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191770 May 10, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
I think excluding homosexuals from fighting for us was very stupid. From my experience they make fine soldiers and sailors. Who cares if someone peeks at your little winky dink anyway?
LOL "Winky Dink And You"...first interactive TV show, I have early recollections of it..
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191771 May 10, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a fact, a majority of American voters now approve of same sex marriage in the US. That could not be the case without a tremendous number of heterosexuals ( you and I ) supporting same sex marriage.
No. I keep telling you, and you keep ignoring it. Where are all these "supporters" when I'm out on the road? Where are they when I ask people about the issue? They are not present anywhere I've been, not in any numbers like you claim, anyway. This is propaganda, created to explain away, to the gullible, why this is being ramrodded through. These "supporters" are never in any area that I am, but if things were as you claim, they'd be everywhere. I'm not lying about this, if it were otherwise, I'd say so. Why do I get a vastly larger number of approvals for my bumper magnet? Why do I get so few negative responses? Please, try and explain it, if you can... Few supporters of your side, so many supporters of my side. Reality. Don't quote biased polls. Polls are remote and easily manipulated. Public response is not.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191772 May 10, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Ohhhhh KAY! Ready.....GO!
<quoted text>
Uhhhh...huh...okay
<quoted text>
Okay...it is what it is.....not illegal...gotcha...next
<quoted text>
Hmmmm this is where things get murky. So far its "normal"....and "homosexual intercourse" is legal....although the latter is somewhat ambiguous as to what constitutes "homosexual intercourse". So what does that mean?
"Legitimize"? So marriage is a self esteem program? Simply because "....expression of the physical and emotional attraction that millions of tax-paying, law-abiding, U.S. Citizens engage in....", doesn't mean the state has to scrap the standard of marriage as a mongamous union of husband and wife. We don't call a veggie patty a "burger" to boost the self esteem, of vegetarians, or so as not to hurt their feelings.
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Suppose some of "these people" wanted to marry their first cousin, which is legal in several states? By your definition, they could not do so? Why does it matter, if the two individuals are of the same sex, and related by blood, that they be barred from marrying? You wish to change the definition of marriage to suit your needs/wants/desires, but are, apparently unable or unwilling, to change the definition for anyone else?
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Marriage is a union of husband and wife, period. Its the means by which society connects men and women, and what ever children they produce. Its about the sexes, both of them, what they do, have sex, and what that sex produces, children. Seriously, VV, if sex didn't produce children, would it matter who married who, or didn't marry who? At what point does it become pointless? If its nothing more than a means by which consenting adults organize their intimate personal relationships complete with a government beneifits package, then there's no rational reason to deny all sorts of combinations. I cannot fathom why society cannot continue to honor, recognize, and/or privilege marriage as a unique mongamous union of husband and wife. WHY? What is the issue? So society says, "we"ll recognize same sex relationships via 'civil union'....but the gay folks, some not all, say,'oh no....you have to call it marriage'! WHY?
Excellent post, sir. Bravo.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191773 May 10, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Extra dopey post! What does it mean dummy?
Arghh! It means that the decks are a-wash with spume.....and lies...fit for the scuppers.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191774 May 10, 2013
LawandOrder_ wrote:
<quoted text>Fact, that is a lie. Perhaps you should consuklt real polls, instead ogf gay polls.
Topx poll: 63% of pollers oppose same sex marriages
Newslife poll: 74% of pollers opposes same sex marriages.
The only reason any heterosexuals support it all is because you are stupid. You do not know that the APA president has come out and said that it is a choice, gays are cured and denial of a gay's right to pursues causes gay suicide.
I bet you also do not know that they never found any studies to deny that homosexuality was a mental disorder. Most psychiatrists still call it a character or gender disorder.
Also, the APA onl presents less than 40% of the medical profession of psychiatrists and psychologists in the US and less than 1% worldwide. The APA also went up for senate review when they supported a study saying that paedophilia was not harmful to children.
Thank you. I've been disputing his use of biased polls, but he neatly sidesteps the issue. Ignores the entire issue. If it was as he claims, I'd see that, out on the road, every week. But all I see is a large number of people in agreement with my stance, and few (next to none) in support of his stance. I imagine that he keeps repeating it so as to fool any that are unsure of the truth. Quelling of dissent, or something like that.."Damage Control" we used to call it.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191775 May 10, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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1.) Same-gender couples do not want to legitimize their relationships through legal marriage to boost their self esteem. As you very well know, there are many protections and benefits that come along with marriage. Many of these benefits and protections have nothing to do with children. Do you agree?
2.) Regarding marriage between certain relatives... I didn't think that I had to spell it out for you. I am obviously talking about a marriage between siblings or a marriage between parent and child or between a grandparent and grandchild. You know exactly what I mean when I say "unrelated".
I don't know that I need to explain why it is that same-gender marriage is completely different than incestuous marriage. If you seriously do not understand that there is a vast difference between a someone developing an emotional/physical relationship with a non-relative and someone developing an emotional/physical relationship with a relative, then I don't know that I can help you.
Suffice it to say that we are not here to discuss incestuous marriages. Any attempts to lead this discussion away from the primary topic--i.e.: same-gender marriage--is nothing more than a distraction. I won't entertain it.
3.) A marriage is a contract between two consenting, adult, unrelated people. It is not a contract between two people and their offspring. That is why there aren't two separate definitions set aside for people who intend to have children and those who do not intend to have children.
4) And with regards to term "civil union"; there are no other identical contracts that provides identical protections and benefits but have different names.
If legally joined same-gender couples would enjoy all of the benefits and protections as legally joined opposite-gender couples, then why should there be different terminology?
If you have a red rose and a pink rose, they are BOTH roses with only subtle differences.
1) Fine.
2) Not completely different. Both types of marriage are subject to laws, why does one receive approval, while the other does not? both are a matter of the government stepping in.
3) Since children do not matter, incest is no more deserving of discrimination than is SSM.
4) Power Of Attorney can solve these issues.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191776 May 10, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
are you in for some sad times ahead LOL, you donít even realize what is going on.
States are approving Same sex marriage with voter support right and left, states that had banned same sex marriage are starting to reverse those bans ( see Nevada )
YAY! Big D claims his propaganda is valid. YAY!
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191777 May 10, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
are you in for some sad times ahead LOL, you donít even realize what is going on.
States are approving Same sex marriage with voter support right and left, states that had banned same sex marriage are starting to reverse those bans ( see Nevada )
Come on, D, tell me again how no votes are ever rigged. How all votes are always properly represented, and no-one has ever rigged results. Tell me that we live in a perfect world. Everything is fair. Come on...
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191779 May 10, 2013
Equality Now wrote:
Love is the greatest emotion humans can offer one another. Why restrict a couple's love for one another? It's time that most of the archaic puritan "values" be put to rest.
Love isn't being restricted. And, no, it isn't time to change our value system, just to cater to a minority.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191780 May 10, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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"...scared half to death..."
Oy vey.
What a drama queen. "Ah'm shaking' in mah boots, can someone protect me?"
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191781 May 10, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Looks like Obama will be throwing Hillary under the bus! Bye bye 2016!
Ding Dong the witch is dead. The wicked witch...
I've already made the call. Jeb Bush. He's our next preznit. Watch for it.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191782 May 10, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
The liberal media is finally doing their job on Benghazi, with ABC taking the lead. The shine is off Obama's apple. Hillary's head will roll!
Too late now. They should have done it, as it was happening, not now that they ushered in Obummer for a second term. Too late now, it's why they waited. It's all the hoopla and the circuses. Bunch of smoke and curtains.

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