Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Rose_NoHo wrote:
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No, it doesn't. You don't understand logic at all. Logic dictates that your rights shouldn't depend on what's in your underwear.
Logic isn't based on your desired outcome. That's why you have so much trouble applying it.
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The lady doth protest too much.
There are no ladies here.

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sheesh void of hate wrote:
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You've made a fool of only one person, and that'd be you. You're going to stick with your made up BS about being a monster mutation, chimera, lesbian in a man's body garbage though. That fits right in with your foolish persona. You also need to get over your notions about reproduction and marriage. That cuts right into the relevance of your two facts. And you're quite free to have your fantasy about my emotional state.
You have your panties in a hinder binder twirl because I don't fit into your logic that anyone who disagrees with calling ss couples married is a repressed gay.

It was your last bastion of 'logic' against the essence of marriage, the visible vast distinctions between ss couples and marriage, and the desolate endemic barrenness of a ss couple.

The fools are obvious...

Smile.

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Rose_NoHo wrote:
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No, it doesn't. You don't understand logic at all. Logic dictates that your rights shouldn't depend on what's in your underwear.
"...depend on what's in your underwear."? Why are talking about bladder control issues?

Logic dictates men are treated like men, and women like women. Urinals aren't put in the women's locker room, and gynocologists don't treat men.

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KiMare wrote:
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I agree that society evolves, as does evolution.
The rest is BS.
Marriage defines a distinct and unique relationship, as does family. Why are you unable to establish and relish your own?
Smile.
Yes, it does, but..
One of my points was Marriage and its definitions are not entirely the same now as they once were so where is the fear in updating it once more?
Establish and relish my own? what do you mean by that?
I am not rejecting my family or anyone's traditional family, but I am of the opinion that two people of whatever sex/gender ought to be able to marry if they wish, out of love, not out of a procreation requirement. Gay marriage and even gay adoption will not stop heterosexual marriage or traditional families. Family units also shift in the evolution of society. There was a time when it was almost unheard of to have one-parent families or divorces. I'm not saying that's a good thing, I'm saying it's how it is. Yes those children's lives would have been different but not automatically better. A lot of psychological stress is caused by unhappy traditional families who stay together when they don't really want to. With some gay couples it will be the same, and if they have children there will be stress. Life is stressful and people hurt each other emotionally. But they ought to be afforded the right to publicly declare their love and intentions in the form of marriage if they wish. Why should one couple be allowed and another not?
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If the SCOTUS wants to truly uphold the Constitution it will reverse the original and all subsequent rulings on the basis that the Federal Judiciary lacked the power under Article III of the US Constitution to hear the case in the first place.
Wrong, there are many precedents for overturning laws based on ballot measures, you are in for some serious disappointments pretty soon.

We are not just a democracy, rule of the mob, we are a nation of law, a representative democratic republic.
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Rose_NoHo wrote:
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I was talking about you.
Paraphrasing Shakespeare. Should have figured it would go over your head.
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.

William Shakespeare
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Rose_NoHo wrote:
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No, it doesn't. You don't understand logic at all. Logic dictates that your rights shouldn't depend on what's in your underwear.
Speaking of logic, I find it difficult to see the logic of defending monogamous marriage as the historic norm when the laws of several states have already departed from the principle that it is heterosexual, monogamous marriage that is essential to social stability. Put bluntly, if heterosexuality is no longer legally, morally or socially relevant to marriage, why should monogamy continue to be so important?
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Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Do you have bolts in your neck, monster?
Where's Marram? I don't want him to miss even one "intelligent and insightful" post, such as the above, from his hero the angry dope Rose_NoHope.
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The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) announced on April 16, 2013, that it is considering a license amendment that would allow Southern California Edison to restart the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Unit 2 at 70% power.

The public has 30 days to provide comments.

Lets not let them do that, why do we have to endure the shame of the Japanese had to with their nuclear power stations.

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Yes, it does, but..
One of my points was Marriage and its definitions are not entirely the same now as they once were so where is the fear in updating it once more?
Establish and relish my own? what do you mean by that?
I am not rejecting my family or anyone's traditional family, but I am of the opinion that two people of whatever sex/gender ought to be able to marry if they wish, out of love, not out of a procreation requirement. Gay marriage and even gay adoption will not stop heterosexual marriage or traditional families. Family units also shift in the evolution of society. There was a time when it was almost unheard of to have one-parent families or divorces. I'm not saying that's a good thing, I'm saying it's how it is. Yes those children's lives would have been different but not automatically better. A lot of psychological stress is caused by unhappy traditional families who stay together when they don't really want to. With some gay couples it will be the same, and if they have children there will be stress. Life is stressful and people hurt each other emotionally. But they ought to be afforded the right to publicly declare their love and intentions in the form of marriage if they wish. Why should one couple be and another not?
Marriage has always been a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. You are not 'updating' it, you are undefining it.

Why don't ss couples have the courage and integrity to establish their own defined relationship? Instead, you insult intelligence by demanding everyone equate duplicate sterile couples with marriage.

Societal health has suffered dramatically with the demise of marriage commitment. Children are paying the greatest cost. You want to further that decline with a radical dilution of marriage and family.
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Former police officer in Massachusetts gets two years in jail for extorting prostitutes

Aravanh Lakmany, 32, of Dracut, pleaded guilty to charges of extortion by threat and three counts of solicitation of prostitutes.

Lakmany pleaded guilty to having sexual relations at least 20 times while on duty in his cruiser and other times in his car.

Don't let this happen in Glendora, California or has it already?
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Wrong, there are many precedents for overturning laws based on ballot measures, you are in for some serious disappointments pretty soon.
We are not just a democracy, rule of the mob, we are a nation of law, a representative democratic republic.
You assume AK (and everyone else) is as emotionally invested in SSM as you are. From reading his posts, I get that he is interested in the Constitutionality aspects of the issue only and has no emotional investment. In fact he has actively supported the legality of SSM as I have.

In other words, I doubt AK or myself will be "seriously disappointed" no matter the outcome. There are many posters interested only academically and have little or no emotional involvement in this issue. You fail to understand this.

Your dogmatic emotional involvement in this issue makes discussing it with you impossible.
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Societal health has suffered dramatically with the demise of marriage commitment. Children are paying the greatest cost. You want to further that decline with a radical dilution of marriage and family.
No marriages today are actually stronger due to the ease of divorce. People that actually work at their marriages, more of partnerships more equal as the penalty for not working together to make your marriage strong is easily obtained.

Not like the bad old days when people stayed in a bad marriage, being abused, child abuse and a myriad of other issues.

Today people are free to get out of a bad marriage, and there is more incentive to work with your partner to improve your marriage.

The bad old days were good for bad ( or lazy ) people, certainly was not good for marriage in general.

You may long for the bad old days, when women were second class citizens, when homosexuals were persecuted, etc etc

Most of us do not
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Xavier Breath learns English. by Frankie Rizzo

This is a story of an Englishman traveling in the U.S. going to an American service station to get some new windshield wiper blades.

He fills his tank with petrol and asks the dopey looking attendant with a patch on his shirt that says "Xavier B" for some windscreen wipers.

Xavier replies "Golly! What the hell is that for?" The Englishman says "To wipe the rain off the windscreen." Xavier says "Windscreen? It's a windshield,'Mercans invented the car so it's called whatever we say it's called".

The Englishman replied, look jackass, we invented the language. Not only that but we invented windscreen wipers and patented them in 1911 so they are called whatever we say they are called!"

Xavier replied. "Sorry sir! Shall I wash your windshield now?" The Englishman said. "What a queer little man."

Xavier filed hate crime charges and won a civil suit for a million dollar settlement and that is why he now sits on his dopey ass and posts nonsense all day and night instead of pumping gas. The Englishman lost his million dollar fortune and is now at Xavier's old job pumping gas.

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"...depend on what's in your underwear."? Why are talking about bladder control issues?
Logic dictates men are treated like men, and women like women. Urinals aren't put in the women's locker room, and gynocologists don't treat men.
Now I feel like my rights have been violated, thanks P.A. now I'm gonna protest too much.
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KiMare wrote:
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Marriage has always been a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. You are not 'updating' it, you are undefining it.
Why don't ss couples have the courage and integrity to establish their own defined relationship? Instead, you insult intelligence by demanding everyone equate duplicate sterile couples with marriage.
Societal health has suffered dramatically with the demise of marriage commitment. Children are paying the greatest cost. You want to further that decline with a radical dilution of marriage and family.
Oooh oooh, let me say it while moho is recovering from last night, something about why any one should give a crap about the children or when I don't like what you write I will try and divert your meaning. Dang, guess we will just have to wait for her dumb-a logic, I can't seem to degrade myself enough down to his/her level.
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commonpeeps wrote:
<quoted text>Oooh oooh, let me say it while moho is recovering from last night, something about why any one should give a crap about the children or when I don't like what you write I will try and divert your meaning. Dang, guess we will just have to wait for her dumb-a logic, I can't seem to degrade myself enough down to his/her level.
Rose's Law = "People who care about children are morons with no real argument." (screamed).

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Big D wrote:
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No marriages today are actually stronger due to the ease of divorce. People that actually work at their marriages, more of partnerships more equal as the penalty for not working together to make your marriage strong is easily obtained.
Not like the bad old days when people stayed in a bad marriage, being abused, child abuse and a myriad of other issues.
Today people are free to get out of a bad marriage, and there is more incentive to work with your partner to improve your marriage.
The bad old days were good for bad ( or lazy ) people, certainly was not good for marriage in general.
You may long for the bad old days, when women were second class citizens, when homosexuals were persecuted, etc etc
Most of us do not
Your opinion does not fit the factual outcome of no fault divorce.

-child abuse
-domestic violence

To name just a few.

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Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Speaking of logic, I find it difficult to see the logic of defending monogamous marriage as the historic norm when the laws of several states have already departed from the principle that it is heterosexual, monogamous marriage that is essential to social stability. Put bluntly, if heterosexuality is no longer legally, morally or socially relevant to marriage, why should monogamy continue to be so important?
In the name of Francis Albert Sinatra, its about time. Thanks Frankie.

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