Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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<quoted text>Most of us here against gay marriage are not against people being gay whether you were born that way or had surgery to change into it. Like Bono's daughter that changed from Lesbian to straight with surgery and her/his girlfriend that went from Lesbian to straight without surgery.
Ok for one you need to know the difference. I am gay I was born a male and like men. I am in no way like a transgender person. I like my body and my penis and would never choose to be a woman or have it cut off. We are grouped into a category you might as well call other but we are all really separate groups based on what and who we like. So what do you propose 2 gay men that are in love and want to spend their lives together do to achieve the same societal standard as a male/female couple?

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Are skinny people different than fat people? Are tall people different than short. Do some men like big girls as opposed to small. Do some people like mushrooms and some don't. It's all preference. Just as I am attracted to men.
Manly men, or girlie men? Just asking....you started it.
Not all men I also have my preference as to a type just as a straight man does to a certain type of women. You can't "choose" what you like or are attracted to. So stop trying to say being gay is a choice. It's not.
It is what it is. I don't think its as clear cut as you indicate....at least among women. Supposedly straight women "come out" later in life, after several years of marriage and kids, and previously self identified lesbians go straight. Go figure.
I was married to a woman and tried to live up to society's expectations. I was unhappy because I wasn't being true to myself or my feelings. You would rather have all gay men marry women and have unhealthy marriages. That's a stupid solution.
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Nooooooo.....never said that. However there are "mixed orientation" marriages.

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Besides if us gays stole your women you wouldn't be left with any of the good looking ones. Be careful what you wish for.
Hmmmmmm....you may have a point there. Cute. Thanks for the chuckle.

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<quoted text>Sounds like you're equating race with gender/sexes. There's only two sexes. Numerous races/ethnicities. Interracial marriage bans only banned certain racial combinations, not all. For example Blacks could marry "orientals" but not whites. A person of mixed racial/ethnicity coulld marry.....?

That's why the analogy fails
I'm talking about PEOPLE. Get the point. No 2 PEOPLE should have anyone tell them they can't be together based on race or gender or any other reason or difference. None of which can be chosen by the PERSON.
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I have tried once to show someone why it would not fly yet, and he could not separate what I was trying to show from my actual position on the subject
Donít want to go through that again
Go get the signatures on those measures and the general public can inform you of why that cannot happenÖ at least yet. Or if you donít think you need public consent ( understand that if we put overturning Prop 8 on a ballot, it will be overturned in a walk which is exactly what will happen if the Supremes donít do the right thing ), then go to court for your issues, and let them inform you.
My marriage has not been devalued one tiny little bit by 18,000 same sex couples being legally married right now in California.
If yours was, if you were actually harmed by their being able to marry why didnít you show up in court, your lawyers could not find a single couple to show up in court to show how their marriage was harmed.
But to be honest I would take a look at your marriage and try to find out why yours is so fragile, that would probably do you more good than worrying about what other people are doing.
Oy. Spare us.

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<quoted text>Manly men, or girlie men? Just asking....you started it.

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Not all men I also have my preference as to a type just as a straight man does to a certain type of women. You can't "choose" what you like or are attracted to. So stop trying to say being gay is a choice. It's not.
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It is what it is. I don't think its as clear cut as you indicate....at least among women. Supposedly straight women "come out" later in life, after several years of marriage and kids, and previously self identified lesbians go straight. Go figure.

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I was married to a woman and tried to live up to society's expectations. I was unhappy because I wasn't being true to myself or my feelings. You would rather have all gay men marry women and have unhealthy marriages. That's a stupid solution.
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Nooooooo.....never said that. However there are "mixed orientation" marriages.

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Besides if us gays stole your women you wouldn't be left with any of the good looking ones. Be careful what you wish for. "

Hmmmmmm....you may have a point there. Cute. Thanks for the chuckle.
Do you actually have anything intelligent to discuss or is this your version of being a playground bully. Probably because you were the kid that got picked on in school.

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...and yet, the analogy still prevailed in court before a seated judge.
So a judge bought it......andddddddd....that means.....?
and you, an internet stranger, proclaims it as invalid. yeah. sure. we're buying every word you type pal.
LOL
Far easy to dismiss my point, than offer an opposing view.

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Do you actually have anything intelligent to discuss or is this your version of being a playground bully. Probably because you were the kid that got picked on in school.
If you don't want to respond to my points, don't. "Playground bully...."?????
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So a judge bought it......andddddddd....that means.....?
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Far easy to dismiss my point, than offer an opposing view.
Not "a" judge, there have been quite a few now including the appellate courts that agreed with that first judge, and now before 9 more, the highest in the land.

But it doesnít matter, even if they chose the wrong way, we put overturning prop8 on the next ballot...and poof... gone in a walk, donít even have to spend much money on it.

This is happeningÖ there is no stopping it now, even your media prophet has stated this now.

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Oh yes... I like Franklin, treason is a term made up by the winners to use as an excuse for hanging the losers. Or something like that, not a direct quote.
Common ground. You have your moments Big D. Grazie.
I can show logically that black is white
personally I think we are too hung up on words, the word marriage does not frighten me at all. I can have it, they can have it, and their having it does not change my own.
But at what point, does it become pointless, from a societal/state/commonly understood meaning? If marriage is applied to ANY adult personal consensual intimate relationship, it loses its meaning....or perhaps becomes meaningless.

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<quoted text>Most of us here against gay marriage are not against people being gay whether you were born that way or had surgery to change into it. Like Bono's daughter that changed from Lesbian to straight with surgery and her/his girlfriend that went from Lesbian to straight without surgery.
How the heck are we supposed to keep up on all of this? Next thing you know Chaz's situation will be compared to Brittany Spears three day marriage.
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Common ground. You have your moments Big D. Grazie.
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But at what point, does it become pointless, from a societal/state/commonly understood meaning? If marriage is applied to ANY adult personal consensual intimate relationship, it loses its meaning....or perhaps becomes meaningless.
When marriage means everything, it means nothing.

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Ok for one you need to know the difference. I am gay I was born a male and like men. I am in no way like a transgender person. I like my body and my penis and would never choose to be a woman or have it cut off. We are grouped into a category you might as well call other but we are all really separate groups based on what and who we like. So what do you propose 2 gay men that are in love and want to spend their lives together do to achieve the same societal standard as a male/female couple?
I don't need to know what you do or are, that is not the point. You are free to be whatever. In my example Bono's girlfriend is not transgender, she went from Lesbian to straight without surgery. Some people go both ways, I don't care. Some go many ways, I don't care. Some like 3 or 4 ways, I don't care, but Marriage is between a man and a woman. You have civil relationships.

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I'm talking about PEOPLE. Get the point. No 2 PEOPLE should have anyone tell them they can't be together based on race or gender or any other reason or difference. None of which can be chosen by the PERSON.
Why just 2? Brothers, sisters? where do u draw the line mr morals?

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How the heck are we supposed to keep up on all of this? Next thing you know Chaz's situation will be compared to Brittany Spears three day marriage.
Maybe he will change back to lose weight, who knows?
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Common ground. You have your moments Big D. Grazie.
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But at what point, does it become pointless, from a societal/state/commonly understood meaning? If marriage is applied to ANY adult personal consensual intimate relationship, it loses its meaning....or perhaps becomes meaningless.
I donít see any point where someone else being able to marry will affect my marriage or what it means to me in any way whatsoever.

I donít feel the need to cross every bridge today, hence I am not actually very interested in all the slippery slope garbage, it is meaningless, so letís stick to the issue at hand Same Sex marriage.

There are in fact 18,000 legally married same sex couples in California right now, over 100,000 nationally ( donít know the actual exact number )

Those couples being able to devote their lives to one another has not in any way harmed my marriage, in fact my wife and I have talked about this, and we think that being inclusive has actually made us feel stronger about marriage in general.

I realize that mentally to you, it has made it weaker, but I donít see that, the issue is in your head, not in reality. Legally ( which is all I look to the government for ) it is no different than it was before.

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<quoted text>I don't need to know what you do or are, that is not the point. You are free to be whatever. In my example Bono's girlfriend is not transgender, she went from Lesbian to straight without surgery. Some people go both ways, I don't care. Some go many ways, I don't care. Some like 3 or 4 ways, I don't care, but Marriage is between a man and a woman. You have civil relationships.
False gay marriage is legal in 11 states and growing.

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<quoted text>Why just 2? Brothers, sisters? where do u draw the line mr morals?
Incest really you went there? You are the ones saying its a man and a woman that's 2 right.
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Incest really you went there? You are the ones saying its a man and a woman that's 2 right.
That's right. And it's wrong.

Please clue Big D that prop 8 discriminates against poly marriage the same as it does against same sex marriage. Maybe he'll listen to you.
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Incest really you went there? You are the ones saying its a man and a woman that's 2 right.
When they go to the slippery slope arguments, you have won.

They can no longer bring any valid argument against same sex marriage so they are dipping into imaginary hypotheticals that are not at issue currently to try and scare people.

That only works with the ignorant, their constituency
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That's right. And it's wrong.
Please clue Big D that prop 8 discriminates against poly marriage the same as it does against same sex marriage. Maybe he'll listen to you.
Actually no it was the same level of illegal both before and after prop 8, zero effect.

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