Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#186759 Apr 5, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Why is it so important to base this issue on history?
History serves a guide. Why haven't we seen, other than a few scattered historical examples of recognized same sex unions, SSM before?
I can easily go back and find that major cultures and society utilized slavery from beginning to end. It's still an issue today--some 27,000,000 people are estimated to be enslaved today around the world.
Slavery?
But OUR society--our country--DOES NOT condone slavery.
If we were creating policy based on what history supported, then (using your argument) there should be legalized slavery in the U.S. today.
The issue before us is how society/state defines marriage. Why haven't societies in the past organized themselves around the concept of marriage as a union of two persons regardless of gender composition?
You cannot base your arguments about how gays have been treated throughout history as an argument for how we should be treated today.
The concept of a "gay" identity is relatively new, and I believe a western idea. SSSB occurred in ancient Rome, but they didn't slap rainbow bumper stickers on their chariots.
We have modern medical findings and contemporary beliefs about gays and lesbians.
Medical findings which are inconclusive. SSSB us not new, equating it with marriage, is.
THAT should be the basis for how we go forward.
Same-sex marriage SHOULD BE based on its own merits--not on how history has treated the matter.
Merits, or lack there of. Clearly there are reasons that despite the presence, acceptance, and/or celebration of, SSSB, among various societies in the past, it did not necessarily result in SSM. Such reasons should be considered before our society fundamentally alters a key component of society with state recognition. The needs of the many, out weigh the needs of the few.

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#186760 Apr 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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They can't be. It is impossible.
It is visibly obvious they are only ever a senselessly duplicated half of marriage. A desecration of sacred design. A barren imposter relationship that is always a devastating deprivation of family imposed on a child for the sake of an illusion. A violent imitation of sexual intimacy.
There is nothing, at any level that equates a ss couple to marriage.
Smile.
why are you a faccist communist

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186761 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Incest really you went there? You are the ones saying its a man and a woman that's 2 right.
You are the that wrote this: " No 2 PEOPLE should have anyone tell them they can't be together based on race or gender or any other reason or difference." Not me.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186762 Apr 5, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>You are the that wrote this: " No 2 PEOPLE should have anyone tell them they can't be together based on race or gender or any other reason or difference." Not me.
I said race or gender. Incest has nothing to do with either it has to do with unwilling participants and or science showing that if they reproduce it can cause defects.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186763 Apr 5, 2013
Just when it seemed that things couldn't get any worse,

http://www.thefrisky.com/2013-04-05/im-sorry-...

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/news/se...

The latest offering from the gays. This is what we get, for even having them around us. I couldn't believe it, I was channel surfing on my radio today, and they were discussing this disgusting offering, from the gays. Complete depravity, and on the regular radio station. Completely disgusting. Talking about it, as if it was the most normal thing in the world. What's next, the Feces Flapjack? Menstrual Marinade? My god, we all know that body fluids are not for eating or drinking. This is what we get,from the gay side? This is your contribution to society? I'm never going to a bar again, because the phenomenon of the mixed-up order just gained a whole new meaning. I'd have to hurt anyone who served me one of these things. Think about this. This is beyond disgusting. And, talking about it on a public radio station, where children can hear it.
SkinTight

Covina, CA

#186764 Apr 5, 2013
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“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#186766 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>why are you a faccist communist
Contradiction. One is either a communist, or a fascist. Not both.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#186767 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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I said race or gender. Incest has nothing to do with either it has to do with unwilling participants and or science showing that if they reproduce it can cause defects.
Same sex siblings too?

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#186768 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Contradiction. One is either a communist, or a fascist. Not both.
so why are you a communist then

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186769 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
I said race or gender. Incest has nothing to do with either it has to do with unwilling participants and or science showing that if they reproduce it can cause defects.
I like how you squirm and start out writing "I said race or gender"....lol....Did you forget the other part you wrote, fool. You are the that wrote this: " No 2 PEOPLE should have anyone tell them they can't be together based on race or gender or any other reason or difference." Not me. "or any other reason or difference" Not me. So now you are saying Marriage is about reproducing? and bro and sis can't marry because of that? What does gay marriage produce? Is that your issue now? You are hard to follow, all over the map. LOL
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186770 Apr 5, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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"...a desire to feel equal to us..."
"...bombarded by your inferior side trumpeting on about how equal you are..."
"We don't want our kids indoctrinated..."
"You have no right to tell us about yourselves..."
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1.) I DO feel equal to you. Is there any doubt in your mind that people like me are not your equal?
2.) No one is indoctrinating your kids. I don't know about you, but knew about gays when I was very young. If I'm not mistaken, it was a preacher who talked about it. Then I clearly remember a pamphlet from church that talked about Sodom and Gomorrah--showing men touching other men.
3.) What is it that bothers you so much about our telling you about ourselves? I doubt that any gay person has ever said anything more to you than "I'm gay". If anyone has regaled you with explicit details of their sex life, then that person was an idiot.
Typically, it's you guys who let your imaginations run wild--grossing yourselves out with lurid images--wondering to yourselves, "who's the man and who's the woman?".
When I haven't spoken to someone in years and I reconnect with them on facebook, one of the first questions they ask is "Are you married?" Second question is "do you have kids?"
I respond honestly and say, "No, I'm gay."
What's so disturbing about that?
1) Fine.
2) Yes, they are, when the kids are taught about sexual matters, in the 1st grade.
3) Telling about yourselves over the mass media is a far cry from merely "telling about" yourselves, it is a publicity stunt. And, if you think that that is all I've ever heard, from gay people, then you are mistaken.
There is nothing disturbing about your PRIVATE Facebook conversations, but then again, that is not what I was talking about, now, was it?
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186771 Apr 5, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>If they rename it to Milk, they should have a special pedophile wing.
How about, they re-name it "Anita Bryant International Airport"? And give free orange juice to anyone who signs an "Anti-SSM"etition?
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186772 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you fight gay rights... why not just accept that others are different from you and move on with your life... I mean really doesn't that make the most sense
No, what makes sense is that marriage is for man/woman. You have all the rights that the government gives me, in the Constitution. Which doesn't mention being gay and being allowed to marry. We haven't left our lives behind to combat your sides covetous lobbying, we make time to include sticking up for our side, why don't you go back to YOUR lives, and stop this assault on common sense?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#186773 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
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OK you stick with the slippery slope, but I should warn you, it wonít bother anyone other than you people that are already scared to death that same sex couples can marry in 10 states and one district and are recognized in 12 and that number is growing every year.
That's just the point, isn't it? The continued devaluation of marriage as a privileged union of husband and wife. Now we have husband and husband, wife and wife. So next is husband and wives, and wife and husbands. After that, will it matter? But if that's the ultimate goal of the SSM movement....
That argument wont work on anyone else, and your numbers are dwindling as to the folks that argument will work on.
What argument? That marriage is on the decline? That its what ever the latest movement says it is. Why are YOU afraid of it being further redefined?
It certainly didnít work with the courts, I donít know who you are trying to convince. That kind of "scary" argument will only work on the fearful and those that already want to dictate to everyone else what they are allowed to do.
Oooooooh.....so scary. If you're that unafraid why is polygamy such s bogeyman? Seriously, ya can't really argue for SSM, and against poly without your hipocracy showing. Why not just be like Flo from Progressive insurance, and bundle them together, to save time and money?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#186774 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>so why are you a communist then
I'm a pastafarian.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186775 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Look i'm a hetero female with a transsexual child and in no way does gay rights impact my life as a hetero female and its just ludicrously silly when people make the claim that marriage will be harmed
Yes, Lililth, we know. You have also threatened to cut and slice anyone who says a bad word to your child. How's the school going?
SkinTight

Covina, CA

#186776 Apr 5, 2013
Pro-H8 Bigots who donated in Glendora, CA
http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/prop8/
Bigots in Glendora, CA who donated $$$ to the Yes on H8 campaign, how much and when:
Greg Hendrix $250.00 11/03/08
Kenn Ramage $1,000.00 11/02/08
Robert Jones $100.00 11/02/08
Bernard Weber $100.00 10/31/08
John Andonian $200.00 10/31/08
Lynn Green $50.00 10/31/08
Cindy Mcclain $125.00 10/29/08
Doreen Costello $20.00 10/29/08
John Blenkinship $100.00 10/29/08
Karon Mackay $250.00 10/29/08
Michelle Mackay $500.00 10/29/08
Phyllis Wong $99.00 10/29/08
Thomas Marchetti $10.00 10/29/08
William Thompson $100.00 10/29/08
Alice Rubow $100.00 10/28/08
Desiree Ackerman $100.00 10/28/08
Jeffrey Murphy DDS $100.00 10/28/08
John Richards $200.00 10/28/08
Kristen White $250.00 10/28/08
Alex Lukes $45.00 10/27/08
Cathy Packer $100.00 10/27/08
Gregory Hendrix $200.00 10/27/08
Heather Giles $450.00 10/27/08
Lu Ann Jenson $100.00 10/27/08
Marilyn Batt $150.00 10/27/08
Sheryl Bell $100.00 10/27/08
Thomas Marchetti $10.00 10/27/08
Todd Giles $450.00 10/27/08
Hector Kistemann $100.00 10/26/08
Lori Sefton $500.00 10/26/08
Marie Pepe $100.00 10/26/08
James Watkins $500.00 10/25/08
Kathleen Szczepanski $100.00 10/24/08
Thomas Marchetti $25.00 10/24/08
Gregg Stowell $100.00 10/23/08
Heather Giles $9,500.00 10/23/08
Monica Macciola $50.00 10/23/08
Scott Duncan $100.00 10/23/08
Thomas Marchetti $14.00 10/23/08
Todd Russell $150.00 10/22/08
Alice Rubow $100.00 10/20/08
Cindy Mcclain $99.00 10/20/08
John Andonian $50.00 10/20/08
Lynn Green $100.00 10/20/08
Michael Smith $200.00 10/14/08
Orville Mestad $201.00 10/14/08
Timothy Butcher $250.00 10/11/08
Michael Mcdermott $250.00 10/10/08
Alice Rubow $250.00 10/09/08
Phil Martinez $100.00 10/09/08
Diego Dibenedetto $50.00 10/08/08
Julie Favro $99.00 10/08/08
Thomas Marchetti $10.00 10/08/08
Paul Jex $100.00 10/07/08
Alice Rubow $500.00 10/04/08
David Bishop $100.00 10/04/08
Thomas Marchetti $25.00 10/04/08
Dorothy Hatch $25,000.00 10/03/08
Kathryn Scott $300.00 10/03/08
Maria Berbee $100.00 10/03/08
William Thompson $100.00 10/03/08
Gaile Lawson $100.00 10/02/08
John Blenkinship $200.00 10/01/08
Jarold Laidlaw $500.00 09/30/08
Frank Macciol $100.00 09/26/08
Janell Hall $100.00 09/25/08
Bard Smith $200.00 09/24/08
Gary Blackburn $1,000.00 09/24/08
John Watkins $500.00 09/21/08
Bryan Chase $100.00 09/18/08
Don Kitchen $500.00 09/18/08
Stanley Gunstream $100.00 09/18/08
David Jackson $1,000.00 09/17/08
Henry Nichols $25.00 09/17/08
Kim Holmes $1,500.00 09/17/08
Kjelstrom & Associates, Inc.$1,000.00 09/17/08
Thomas Marchetti $25.00 09/17/08
Pamela Dupre $1,000.00 09/16/08
Ronald Willes $500.00 09/16/08
Alice Rubow $100.00 09/15/08
Diane Larson $500.00 09/14/08
Wiley Ogle $100.00 09/11/08
Julie Foth $1,000.00 09/10/08
June Hamlow $100.00 09/10/08
Sharilin Miller $1,000.00 09/10/08
Thomas Marchetti $10.00 09/10/08
Classic Floor Care, Inc.$250.00 09/09/08
Jae Walker $500.00 09/07/08
Marilyn Batt $250.00 09/07/08
Lynn Green $50.00 09/05/08
Robert Felten $100.00 09/05/08
John Phelan $250.00 09/04/08
Russell Corbett $1,000.00 09/03/08
Mark Hyer DDS $500.00 08/31/08
Miller & Hooker Cpa'S, Inc $500.00 08/31/08
Patrell Engineering Group, Inc.$1,000.00 08/31/08
Thomas Marchetti $25.00 08/29/08
Charlene Thomson $2,000.00 08/28/08
Henry Nichols $25.00 08/28/08
Melinda Hertzberg $500.00 08/28/08
Daniel O'Bryant $5,000.00 08/26/08
William Christiansen $100.00 08/26/08
William Raymond $1,000.00 08/26/08
Barbara Nelson $200.00 08/24/08
Katrina Bishop $250.00 08/21/08
Richard Kirkham $250.00 08/21/08
Robert Moehle $5,000.00 08/21/08
Ernest Jackson $500.00 08/20/08
Kaelene Petersen $100.00 08/20/08
Rebecca Hawkins $9,500.00 08/20/08
Ronna Gibson $500.00 08/20/08
Raymond Hertzberg $500.00 08/19/08
June Hambleton $1,000.00 08/17/08
Kendall Merkley $1,000.00 08/17/08
Stacey Segura $250.00 08/17/08
Thomas Marchetti $10.00 08/17/08
Davis Bench $100.00 08/14/08
Don Hunt $1,000.00 08/14/08
Douglas Bench $250.00 08/14/08
SkinTight

Covina, CA

#186777 Apr 5, 2013
Pro-H8 Bigots who donated in Glendora, CA

http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/prop8/

Bigots in Glendora, CA who donated $$$ to the Yes on H8 campaign, how much and when:

Natalie Bench $200.00 08/14/08
W Douglas Steimle $2,500.00 08/14/08
Bard Smith $100.00 08/13/08
Douglas Bench $30.00 08/13/08
Jeffrey Murphy DDS $1,000.00 08/13/08
Lori Mcdonnel $1,000.00 08/13/08
Stephen Larson $250.00 08/12/08
Kjelstrom & Associates, Inc.$99.00 08/06/08
Thomas Marchetti $25.00 08/04/08
John Blenkinship $100.00 08/01/08
Thomas Marchetti $50.00 07/25/08
Robert Felten $100.00 05/22/08
Lillian Griffith $100.00 05/21/08
Lynn Green $50.00 03/17/08
Lynn Green $50.00 01/14/08
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186778 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Marriage is actually strenghtened by gay marriage
Actually, it isn't. It is diminished by it. The prestige attached to it suffers, as does the available funding for legitimate couples, due to having to spread around the $$. Among other damage.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#186779 Apr 5, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>True, it's creepy how he keeps writing about talking to little boys all the time.
Yeah, but don't forget, he has said that he could have you arrested for the same thing, although, when I questioned him about what he thinks that would be, he forgot to answer me, or something.....Dodged the question, I think. He made a silly, baseless claim, and couldn't account for it.

RIGHT, BIG D? Remember that I asked you "And that would be?" and added (you can't be serious)?
:-D

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