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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

There are 201891 comments on the www.cnn.com story from Aug 4, 2010, titled Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage. In it, www.cnn.com reports that:

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“Vita e' Bella.”

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#186714 Apr 5, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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...and yet, the analogy still prevailed in court before a seated judge.
So a judge bought it......andddddddd....that means.....?
and you, an internet stranger, proclaims it as invalid. yeah. sure. we're buying every word you type pal.
LOL
Far easy to dismiss my point, than offer an opposing view.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#186715 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Do you actually have anything intelligent to discuss or is this your version of being a playground bully. Probably because you were the kid that got picked on in school.
If you don't want to respond to my points, don't. "Playground bully...."?????
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186716 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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So a judge bought it......andddddddd....that means.....?
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Far easy to dismiss my point, than offer an opposing view.
Not "a" judge, there have been quite a few now including the appellate courts that agreed with that first judge, and now before 9 more, the highest in the land.

But it doesn’t matter, even if they chose the wrong way, we put overturning prop8 on the next ballot...and poof... gone in a walk, don’t even have to spend much money on it.

This is happening… there is no stopping it now, even your media prophet has stated this now.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#186717 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Oh yes... I like Franklin, treason is a term made up by the winners to use as an excuse for hanging the losers. Or something like that, not a direct quote.
Common ground. You have your moments Big D. Grazie.
I can show logically that black is white
personally I think we are too hung up on words, the word marriage does not frighten me at all. I can have it, they can have it, and their having it does not change my own.
But at what point, does it become pointless, from a societal/state/commonly understood meaning? If marriage is applied to ANY adult personal consensual intimate relationship, it loses its meaning....or perhaps becomes meaningless.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#186718 Apr 5, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Most of us here against gay marriage are not against people being gay whether you were born that way or had surgery to change into it. Like Bono's daughter that changed from Lesbian to straight with surgery and her/his girlfriend that went from Lesbian to straight without surgery.
How the heck are we supposed to keep up on all of this? Next thing you know Chaz's situation will be compared to Brittany Spears three day marriage.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#186719 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Common ground. You have your moments Big D. Grazie.
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But at what point, does it become pointless, from a societal/state/commonly understood meaning? If marriage is applied to ANY adult personal consensual intimate relationship, it loses its meaning....or perhaps becomes meaningless.
When marriage means everything, it means nothing.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186720 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Ok for one you need to know the difference. I am gay I was born a male and like men. I am in no way like a transgender person. I like my body and my penis and would never choose to be a woman or have it cut off. We are grouped into a category you might as well call other but we are all really separate groups based on what and who we like. So what do you propose 2 gay men that are in love and want to spend their lives together do to achieve the same societal standard as a male/female couple?
I don't need to know what you do or are, that is not the point. You are free to be whatever. In my example Bono's girlfriend is not transgender, she went from Lesbian to straight without surgery. Some people go both ways, I don't care. Some go many ways, I don't care. Some like 3 or 4 ways, I don't care, but Marriage is between a man and a woman. You have civil relationships.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186721 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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I'm talking about PEOPLE. Get the point. No 2 PEOPLE should have anyone tell them they can't be together based on race or gender or any other reason or difference. None of which can be chosen by the PERSON.
Why just 2? Brothers, sisters? where do u draw the line mr morals?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186722 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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How the heck are we supposed to keep up on all of this? Next thing you know Chaz's situation will be compared to Brittany Spears three day marriage.
Maybe he will change back to lose weight, who knows?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186723 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Common ground. You have your moments Big D. Grazie.
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But at what point, does it become pointless, from a societal/state/commonly understood meaning? If marriage is applied to ANY adult personal consensual intimate relationship, it loses its meaning....or perhaps becomes meaningless.
I don’t see any point where someone else being able to marry will affect my marriage or what it means to me in any way whatsoever.

I don’t feel the need to cross every bridge today, hence I am not actually very interested in all the slippery slope garbage, it is meaningless, so let’s stick to the issue at hand Same Sex marriage.

There are in fact 18,000 legally married same sex couples in California right now, over 100,000 nationally ( don’t know the actual exact number )

Those couples being able to devote their lives to one another has not in any way harmed my marriage, in fact my wife and I have talked about this, and we think that being inclusive has actually made us feel stronger about marriage in general.

I realize that mentally to you, it has made it weaker, but I don’t see that, the issue is in your head, not in reality. Legally ( which is all I look to the government for ) it is no different than it was before.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186724 Apr 5, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I don't need to know what you do or are, that is not the point. You are free to be whatever. In my example Bono's girlfriend is not transgender, she went from Lesbian to straight without surgery. Some people go both ways, I don't care. Some go many ways, I don't care. Some like 3 or 4 ways, I don't care, but Marriage is between a man and a woman. You have civil relationships.
False gay marriage is legal in 11 states and growing.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186725 Apr 5, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Why just 2? Brothers, sisters? where do u draw the line mr morals?
Incest really you went there? You are the ones saying its a man and a woman that's 2 right.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#186726 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Incest really you went there? You are the ones saying its a man and a woman that's 2 right.
That's right. And it's wrong.

Please clue Big D that prop 8 discriminates against poly marriage the same as it does against same sex marriage. Maybe he'll listen to you.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186727 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Incest really you went there? You are the ones saying its a man and a woman that's 2 right.
When they go to the slippery slope arguments, you have won.

They can no longer bring any valid argument against same sex marriage so they are dipping into imaginary hypotheticals that are not at issue currently to try and scare people.

That only works with the ignorant, their constituency
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186728 Apr 5, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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That's right. And it's wrong.
Please clue Big D that prop 8 discriminates against poly marriage the same as it does against same sex marriage. Maybe he'll listen to you.
Actually no it was the same level of illegal both before and after prop 8, zero effect.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#186729 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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So a judge bought it......andddddddd....that means.....?
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Far easy to dismiss my point, than offer an opposing view.
well, since i actually agree with what was presented in court by educated, degreed and licensed attornies, anything i say would be redundant.

...and since a judge who's job it is to know the law and to interpret the law understands and accepts those arguments, that would put credibility and validity to the correlations made. kind of sad that has to be pointed out to you. if you don't accept those correlations, oh well. just your opinion - it just differs from the ones actually making decisions about the law.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#186730 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Actually no it was the same level of illegal both before and after prop 8, zero effect.
If all the other laws against poly were repealed except prop 8, would polygamy be legal?

100% effect.

Prop 8 discriminates against polygamy the same as it does same sex marriage. You know, EQUALLY.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#186731 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
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When they go to the slippery slope arguments, you have won.
They can no longer bring any valid argument against same sex marriage so they are dipping into imaginary hypotheticals that are not at issue currently to try and scare people.
That only works with the ignorant, their constituency
http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/marriage.pdf
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186732 Apr 5, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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If all the other laws against poly were repealed except prop 8, would polygamy be legal?
100% effect.
Prop 8 discriminates against polygamy the same as it does same sex marriage. You know, EQUALLY.
Go repeal all those laws and you will have a case, right now you have squat

Prop 8 has zero effect

Prop 8 had absolutely no effect whatsoever on something that was already illegal.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186733 Apr 5, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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If all the other laws against poly were repealed except prop 8, would polygamy be legal?
100% effect.
Prop 8 discriminates against polygamy the same as it does same sex marriage. You know, EQUALLY.
If there was even a hint of a chance that those previous laws could be overturned before prop 8 is overturned it might be worth mentioning in passing, but as it stands... zero chance and not worth even refering to.

This argument will only work with the religious nut jobs that are frightened to death of the slippery slope arguments, nada for anyone else.

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