Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,317

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Mar 07

Drakes Branch, VA

#185813 Mar 31, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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The dopey loudmouth "Tommy Cochrane" says it's OK for 30 year old gay men to have sex with 16 year old boys as long as the boy is "super gay".
He also insists it would be OK for a greasy 30 year old slob to slick-leg his 16 year old daughter as long as the slob is progressive.
He obviously isn't a parent.

Since: Mar 07

Drakes Branch, VA

#185815 Mar 31, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
When several states have already abandoned the notion that marriage is restricted to heterosexuals, I fail to see the logic in continuing to restrict it to monogamists.
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So, you can't understand the difference between 2, and 4, 5 , or six?

Yeah, right. The slippery slope is the last gasp, isn't it? You can't find a single rational reason to ban same sex couples from marrying, so you try to tie it to something unrelated.

Geesh. Why bother?

And why did it take TWO gay folks marrying to cause this sudden desire of yours to support polygamy? I mean, straight people have been marrying TWO for ages.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185816 Mar 31, 2013
Country-Girl22 wrote:
<quoted text>Woah, woah, woah, I missed that conversation, outdated medical theory? What's that inbred people don't have deformities or mental limitations? Oh geez, how about he starts sleeping with his close relatives to test his theory and see the outcome!
Yes. Modern science has found the medical reasons for the prohibition of incest procreation have been greatly exaggerated.

Also procreation is irrelevant to marriage in this century, right?

I am a New York resident. I can legally marry my first cousin in NY. Why can't I marry my sister?

Since: Mar 07

Drakes Branch, VA

#185817 Mar 31, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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That is very dumb when you say it's illegal because it's illegal.
But I know you say that just to avoid revealing your hypocrisy.
Or perhaps you are ready to tell us why you believe incest marriage and poly marriage are illegal? I would love to hear it.
You have no substance. Just stupid retorts. Why can I marry my first cousin but not my brother?
The answer is not "because it's illegal" The question is WHY is it illegal?
Who cares? it's primarily only anti-gay activists who promote it.

And you only use it as a straw man. They can't come up with any rational reasons to prevent TWO gay people from marrying in the same manner that TWO straight people ALREADY do, so they try to change the argument.

In reality, you would be horrified if someone used your positive arguments in favor of polygamy to actually fight to make it legal.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185818 Mar 31, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Yes. We already know you fail to see logic. As if......
There you go again. Substance Miss Thing, substance.

Tell me the logic in it. Don't tell me I'm dumb for not seeing it.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185820 Mar 31, 2013
Quest wrote:
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He obviously isn't a parent.
That's the first thing I thought too, but there's no arguing with the barely literate jackass.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185821 Mar 31, 2013
Quest wrote:
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So, you can't understand the difference between 2, and 4, 5 , or six?
So you can't understand the difference between men and women?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185823 Mar 31, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you can't understand the difference between 2, and 4, 5 , or six?
Yeah, right. The slippery slope is the last gasp, isn't it? You can't find a single rational reason to ban same sex couples from marrying, so you try to tie it to something unrelated.
Geesh. Why bother?
And why did it take TWO gay folks marrying to cause this sudden desire of yours to support polygamy? I mean, straight people have been marrying TWO for ages.
There are no major reasons to deny SSM, I support it. Marriage is good for society. ALL marriage, not just marriages you approve of.

Now it's your turn. Why are you a hypocrite supporting same sex marriage but not poly marriage? What are your reasons?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#185824 Mar 31, 2013
Quest wrote:
Who cares? it's primarily only anti-gay activists who promote it....
Congress asked the Justice Department whether DOMA was constitutional at least three times. That's not what bigots do, ask for legal advice.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185825 Mar 31, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Did you just call yourself very dumb?
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<quoted text: go ahead. Marry your sister>
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
Can't. It's illegal.
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Your meds are making you confused.
I didn't say it's illegal because it's illegal, you did Miss Thing.

I asked why is it illegal. Not if it's illegal, dummy.

Do you have ever have a point besides dumb personal attacks?

Please. Why is it illegal Miss Thing? The answer is not "New drugs?"
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185826 Mar 31, 2013
Mention polygamy on a so called marriage equality thread and all hell breaks loose!

WOO-HOOO! Always livens up the joint.

Hypocrites.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185832 Mar 31, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>When several states have already abandoned the notion that marriage is restricted to heterosexuals, I fail to see the logic in continuing to restrict it to monogamists.
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Tell you the logic in it? Is there some kind of all-or-nothing "logic rule" in your universe? Because 'A' happened, I fail to see why 'B' shouldn't happen. When you take your car to get an oil change, do you think it's logical for the service tech to re-upholster the interior of your car?
So marriage isn't restricted to heterosexuals anymore. So.
Heterosexuals can still marry. Nobody's gonna make you marry someone of the same sex. Only one thing changes. Same sex couples can marry. Marriage stays the same, except it is available to more taxpaying legal couples. Legal couples who pay MORE taxes then similarly situated hetero couples do now.
That said, to reason that the number of people permitted to enter a marriage should also change is illogical. Here: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
Can you pick which fallacy it is?
hint: there are several
If the gender part of "one man one woman" is arbitrary and discriminatory, so is the number part.

Marriage is good for society. Even marriages you disapprove of. Lucky for them you're not the queen.

You are a hypocrite. No different from the people you hate.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185833 Mar 31, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
I'm gonna go play Wii with my brother's kids.
Who cares?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185834 Mar 31, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Nothing is more 'personal' than insulting your logic, is it?
I'm done.
I'm not playing this insane 'tape' again with you. I can clearly see your nuts.
spelling intended.
They're nice eh? Not for boys though!

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#185835 Mar 31, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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I think it's more correct to say, "The movement associated with Harvey Milk's death is important to the LGBT community".
I lived in San Francisco from 1994 to 2009. There were several places named for Harvey Milk. And now I understand that there is a movement to have SFO (the airport) named in his honor.
I don't really have a problem with it.
I hardly worship the man. I've never seen the movie "Milk" (though I often watched it being filmed as I took the 24 Divisadero bus to work in the morning).
As I've pointed out earlier, JFK, MLK Jr, FDR, and other luminaries of our past were not very nice men--many of them womanizers. And yet we've found a way to gloss over that fact and focus on their impact on society.
I don't think it's fair for you to suggest that gays look to a "pedophile" as their hero. I think you know that.
Maybe you're trying to be sensationalistic.
JFK, MLK Jr, FDR, and other luminaries of our past did not break the law having sex with an underage person. Movies don't make my history.

Since: Mar 13

Fremont, CA

#185836 Mar 31, 2013
what Curtis implied I am impressed that a mother able to make $4178 in one month on the internet. did you look at this web link =======bit90.com=======
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185837 Mar 31, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Who cares? it's primarily only anti-gay activists who promote it.
And you only use it as a straw man. They can't come up with any rational reasons to prevent TWO gay people from marrying in the same manner that TWO straight people ALREADY do, so they try to change the argument.
In reality, you would be horrified if someone used your positive arguments in favor of polygamy to actually fight to make it legal.
You're dead wrong. People I love dearly are in same sex marriages. I gave my niece and her lovely bride a down payment on a house last year in pricey NY city. I love them both dearly. Got drunk at their wedding. Gay weddings are the best! I have dinner often with my next door neighbors a gay couple in their 70's. I wish all of them only the best. I served in combat with a gay man whose bravery saved my life. We're still friends some 40 years later he's not married but in a 20 year relationship. We get together often. I wish all these people only the best.

I truly believe same sex couples, polygamists and yes, even incest couples should have marriage equality. Marriage is good for society. Even marriages you disapprove of.

You, like many others here have no real argument against poly. So you accuse me of homophobia and lying and other dodges to avoid revealing your hypocrisy.

Happy Easter Fruitcake.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185838 Mar 31, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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I did?
Mkay...
You do realize we can scroll back to the posts and read them, right? Show me where I wrote that. I can't find it....
Oh come on you and I both know that's your standard answer every time I ask why you are against poly or incest marriage.

You're such a liar. And never any substance. Just looking for a weakness to attack. Nasty. Yuck!

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#185839 Mar 31, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>JFK, MLK Jr, FDR, and other luminaries of our past did not break the law having sex with an underage person. Movies don't make my history.
The good republican, Strom Thurmond, had intercourse with a minor--a 15 year old black child. He was 23 at the time. And yet he is the longest serving senator in history.

And when are you just going to admit that you are simply trying to "kill the messenger"?

Harvey Milk was a scumbag... Big deal...

Does that mean the entire LGBT movement should be invalidated?

He's not our leader. We have had many leaders throughout our history.

Everybody has skeletons in their closets. Doesn't mean their message was wrong.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#185840 Mar 31, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>When several states have already abandoned the notion that marriage is restricted to heterosexuals, I fail to see the logic in continuing to restrict it to monogamists.
**********
Tell you the logic in it? Is there some kind of all-or-nothing "logic rule" in your universe? Because 'A' happened, I fail to see why 'B' shouldn't happen. When you take your car to get an oil change, do you think it's logical for the service tech to re-upholster the interior of your car?
So marriage isn't restricted to heterosexuals anymore. So.
Heterosexuals can still marry. Nobody's gonna make you marry someone of the same sex. Only one thing changes. Same sex couples can marry. Marriage stays the same, except it is available to more taxpaying legal couples. Legal couples who pay MORE taxes then similarly situated hetero couples do now.
That said, to reason that the number of people permitted to enter a marriage should also change is illogical. Here: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
Can you pick which fallacy it is?
hint: there are several
http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/marriage.pdf

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