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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#185370 Mar 29, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, if the right wing was SERIOUS about protecting marriage, they would be working to outlaw divorce.
Reduce the number of divorces, yes, outlaw it no. If it were outlawed, who would legally marry?
They are NOT, because 'protecting marriage' is NOT their goal. Excluding gays is their goal.
The kicker here is gays aren't excluded. The bottom line is how marriage is legally defined. Same sex marriage is a contradiction in terms. How can there be marriage if you exclude one sex? In essence what is being asked is to legally recognize three institutions, so to speak. One, conjugal marriage of husband and wife. One gay marriage of two men, and one lesbian marriage of two women. SSM is an attempt to graft onto the the existing institution two seperate relationships with out any opposite sex language, dynamics, sexual aspect/union, culture, traditions, etc. Seriously XBox, is there a deep seated SSM culture male or female? Why does the nice lesbian couple down the street appear in their wedding photos in a tuxedo and a wedding dress? Is there some subconscious heterosexual yearning there? Do gay men who marry wear wedding dresses?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#185371 Mar 29, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>That's what I thought, why did you bring up your injury and bash old people? What is wrong with you?
Ageist bigotry. Empty to a bigot who hate senior citizens.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#185372 Mar 29, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm in my late 40s. If I'm lucky enough to make it to my 70s or 80s, it will be nice to look back on the comments made by those opposing same-gender marriage and watch them squirm as they have to continuously eat their words as they try so hard to prove they're no longer bigots.
Swap out same gendered marriage for plural marriage, still the same. Bigotry against polygamy is still bigotry.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#185373 Mar 29, 2013
hemp for telelgraphs wrote:
<quoted text>
so let me get this straight...
you are a small government conservative??
YET you want all MMJ patients registered with the government??
but you are against background checks(which is essentially a registry as well) kinda hypocritical huh??
doesnt that rub up against patient privacy?? legally speaking??
or are people who use MMJ not afforded the same rights as "Normal patients".??
it is a pretty simple concept....
and you keep jumping the rails of accountability when it comes to consistency.
Your problem is that you can't read. It always has been. I don't want MMJ patients registered with the Government, that is why I want it legal like beer. So if you could read, it would save your time from all the unnecessary rants. Sad you are just a few years younger then I am and can't read.
hemp for telelgraphs

Anderson, CA

#185374 Mar 29, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
"...dont be a pot bigot...? The inmates have clearly taken over the asylum. What's next from the left coast? So any left wing cause that others disagree with automatically garners them the "bigot" label. That same reasoning doesn't apply to the left coasties, because only their causes are secularly sacred and not open to dissent, all other causes that are not appoved by the People's Republic, are not to be tolerated.
<quoted text>
And of course all those on the left are full of tolerance, virtue, and free of bigotry.
<quoted text>
Peace out.
serioulsy you dont know bigotry until youve experienced it.

like when people dont understand your polygamy..??

so mabey you DO have a taste.

I do understand your situaltion, but am waiting for the rest of america to come along, like you....(at least from a purley legal standpoint) as i dont like to bring my personal values to the "fight".

that is what you folks on the FAR right do..

you, who cant think of any REAL good reason gays shouldnt have ALL the rights you and i enjoy.

the procreation arguement is laughable(from both a moral and legal standpoint)....I notice you havnt come up with a reply to why people OVER 55 shouldnt marry??? because their union can produce children.....how ridiculous can ya get??

the fact is that the state requires NOTHING from ANY marraige.

not even that it succeed.

like i said before, Karmically, you need to get out in front on issues like this, if you want full rights and acceptance in society for your own special EXTRA marritial situation.

cheers

ps; when just veiwing the law, anyone can see DOMA is bigoted..

the lawyer defending it said so himself..

He even said

"strike it down"

( your side hired a great lawyer, huh?)

keep your personal values at home, out of the present discussion.
hemp for telelgraphs

Anderson, CA

#185375 Mar 29, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Ageist bigotry. Empty to a bigot who hate senior citizens.
it is clear that since 83% of young people support marriage eqaulity??

GAY marraige will be fully accepted in a certain amount of time.

approval of gay marraige has gone from 23% in 96', to 58%, today.

WHILE the country got older....

demographically speaking.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#185376 Mar 29, 2013
Ronald...

So-called Christians have been claiming that mankind has been on a downward spiral for eons.

In college I took two classes, "The History of the South" and "Black History". And before you jump to conclusions, I went to a southern Baptist college in TN. The class was taught by an 80 year old Baptist minister from South Carolina.

Anyhow, he talked about how southern segregationists and slave owners used to go to church, where their pastors would preach about how God supported the separation of races and supported slavery. They would pull out that one verse from Ephesians, "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters".

Exodus and Deuteronomy was also used to preach against integration. In these books from the Bible, God commanded the Israelites to have nothing to do with any other group of people--commanding them to not marry anyone of a different race or belief system.

Fast forward to the present day, where we DO NOT practice slavery and segregation in this nation. These ideas are repugnant to even the most staunch Christian. Yet, for thousands of years, they were THE LAW of ancient mankind.

So what changed? Did God change His mind? Or did mankind reinterpret God's commandments? Or is this just an example of how you suggest that mankind has been in a downward spiral?

There are so many things that we do today that the ancient Hebrew nation would find sinful and even worthy of death.

Our diets, our cleansing rituals, the place of women in society, our day of worship (the Jews believe the Sabbath begins on Friday evening at sundown and ends on Saturday evening at sundown)--these have all changed from the ancient laws.

So again, I'll ask you; what happened? Did God change His mind? Did mankind reinterpret God's commandments? How did these huge changes come about?

I have several thoughts...

1.) I think we do a disservice to God when we try to encapsulate His majesty into laws found in the Books of the Bible. He is GREATER than any book--greater than all books ever written.
These books and stories describe Him and His relationship with mankind. They attempt to give us some understanding of Him.

2.) If you do look throughout the Books of the Bible, I think you'll see that God has changed His mind several times. You'll see that He created mankind, only to wipe them off the face of the planet in the great flood. Then, perhaps in his biggest change, He sent His son to die for our sins, so that we may be forgiven through grace and not abide by 613 laws found in the Old Testament.

3.) I believe that current Christian faith relies to heavily on the Books of the Bible to understand God and relies VERY little on one's personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. What God may want for you may not be what God wants for me. The journey He sets you on, is likely not going to be the same journey He sets me on.

4.) I pray to God for guidance. I refer to the Books of the Bible on occasion. However, the majority of my faith is based in my relationship with God. And that has helped me as I live my life.

I FIRMLY believe that God meant for me to be gay. I have no idea why this is. I certainly didn't ask to be gay. It wasn't my intention. And I fought it tooth and nail throughout my youth and into young adulthood.
You have no idea the number of hours I spent praying for God to change me. I BEGGED him to intervene. But nothing happened. I felt totally abandoned.

Then one day it occurred to me that I was praying to ask God for what "I" wanted. I'd never once prayed for what God wanted. And so I did that. I literally said, "Thy will be done."

God responded to me by His spirit. He left no doubt that He had created me exactly as He meant to. He wanted me to go forward and be happy.

Not sure that I answered your question, but maybe this will give you some insight as to why me and millions of gay Christians around the world believe as we do. I hope it helps.
hemp for telelgraphs

Anderson, CA

#185377 Mar 29, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Swap out same gendered marriage for plural marriage, still the same. Bigotry against polygamy is still bigotry.
so then why are you against gay marrige??

you should be FOR the rights of others, if you everntually want those rights bestowed upon you.

its called karma.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#185378 Mar 29, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Swap out same gendered marriage for plural marriage, still the same. Bigotry against polygamy is still bigotry.
I guess that depends on your perspective... Shall I put you down as firmly in favor of plural marriages?

As far as I'm concerned, polygamists will need to fight their own battle. It's not one that I intend to wade into.

The only issue that I'm concerned about right now is same-gender marriage.

If at some point down the line there is a fight in the courts for plural marriage rights, then we'll just have to see how that goes down.

It's just not on my radar.
hemp for telelgraphs

Anderson, CA

#185379 Mar 29, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what's going to floor them is when they learn that the person who spoke so eloquently about same-sex marriage being an inevitability was none other than Rush Limbaugh.
BILL o'rielly and limbaugh, both sort of "ennhanced" their positions..

esp bill......he said he is "just not passionate" about this topic anymore.

in other words...

their side lost, and BIll was smart enough to figure that out...

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#185380 Mar 29, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
Ronald...
So-called Christians have been claiming that mankind has been on a downward spiral for eons.
In college I took two classes, "The History of the South" and "Black History". And before you jump to conclusions, I went to a southern Baptist college in TN. The class was taught by an 80 year old Baptist minister from South Carolina.
Anyhow, he talked about how southern segregationists and slave owners used to go to church, where their pastors would preach about how God supported the separation of races and supported slavery. They would pull out that one verse from Ephesians, "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters".
Exodus and Deuteronomy was also used to preach against integration. In these books from the Bible, God commanded the Israelites to have nothing to do with any other group of people--commanding them to not marry anyone of a different race or belief system.
Fast forward to the present day, where we DO NOT practice slavery and segregation in this nation. These ideas are repugnant to even the most staunch Christian. Yet, for thousands of years, they were THE LAW of ancient mankind.
So what changed? Did God change His mind? Or did mankind reinterpret God's commandments? Or is this just an example of how you suggest that mankind has been in a downward spiral?
There are so many things that we do today that the ancient Hebrew nation would find sinful and even worthy of death.
Our diets, our cleansing rituals, the place of women in society, our day of worship (the Jews believe the Sabbath begins on Friday evening at sundown and ends on Saturday evening at sundown)--these have all changed from the ancient laws.
So again, I'll ask you; what happened? Did God change His mind? Did mankind reinterpret God's commandments? How did these huge changes come about?
I have several thoughts...
1.) I think we do a disservice to God when we try to encapsulate His majesty into laws found in the Books of the Bible. He is GREATER than any book--greater than all books ever written.
These books and stories describe Him and His relationship with mankind. They attempt to give us some understanding of Him.
2.) If you do look throughout the Books of the Bible, I think you'll see that God has changed His mind several times. You'll see that He created mankind, only to wipe them off the face of the planet in the great flood. Then, perhaps in his biggest change, He sent His son to die for our sins, so that we may be forgiven through grace and not abide by 613 laws found in the Old Testament.
3.) I believe that current Christian faith relies to heavily on the Books of the Bible to understand God and relies VERY little on one's personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. What God may want for you may not be what God wants for me. The journey He sets you on, is likely not going to be the same journey He sets me on.
4.) I pray to God for guidance. I refer to the Books of the Bible on occasion. However, the majority of my faith is based in my relationship with God. And that has helped me as I live my life.
I FIRMLY believe that God meant for me to be gay. I have no idea why this is. I certainly didn't ask to be gay. It wasn't my intention. And I fought it tooth and nail throughout my youth and into young adulthood.
You have no idea the number of hours I spent praying for God to change me. I BEGGED him to intervene. But nothing happened. I felt totally abandoned.
Then one day it occurred to me that I was praying to ask God for what "I" wanted. I'd never once prayed for what God wanted. And so I did that. I literally said, "Thy will be done."
God responded to me by His spirit. He left no doubt that He had created me exactly as He meant to. He wanted me to go forward and be happy.
Not sure that I answered your question, but maybe this will give you some insight as to why me and millions of gay Christians around the world believe as we do. I hope it helps.
well said.
hemp for telelgraphs

Anderson, CA

#185381 Mar 29, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Your problem is that you can't read. It always has been. I don't want MMJ patients registered with the Government, that is why I want it legal like beer. So if you could read, it would save your time from all the unnecessary rants. Sad you are just a few years younger then I am and can't read.
first you do, then you dont....could you please make up your mind..

just yesterday, you told some wing ding here (on this very thread) that would like to make pot more "illegal"

I think you are the one who needs to find a good mooring in this harbor of thought.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#185382 Mar 29, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
Ronald...

Not sure that I answered your question, but maybe this will give you some insight as to why me and millions of gay Christians around the world believe as we do. I hope it helps.
That was long winded, but I agree.
Tommy cochrane

Anderson, CA

#185383 Mar 29, 2013
were on to ya this time....
Tommy cochrane

Anderson, CA

#185384 Mar 29, 2013
we wont let ya kill the laughter...
Morning Joe

La Puente, CA

#185385 Mar 29, 2013
Has there been any time for a reason to go on vacation?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#185386 Mar 29, 2013
Tommy cochrane wrote:
we wont let ya kill the laughter...
Hey Tommy: do you know a pot head that goes by Hemp for telelgraphs? same town.
Morning Joe

La Puente, CA

#185387 Mar 29, 2013
Fantastic, got another one on the hook!

What do you use for bait? The truth.

These crazy's can't handle the truth.
Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#185390 Mar 29, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text> I don't like asparagus. Does that make me a vegetable bigot.
by your use of the word, YES!
as a matter of fact if you don't SUPPORT asparagus, by your logic, you are a bigot against it...

great you can see how stupidly you are acting...just kidding I know YOU don't see it...

I would think playing with the icons would keep you busy...
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#185392 Mar 29, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
Ronald...
So-called Christians have been claiming that mankind has been on a downward spiral for eons.
In college I took two classes, "The History of the South" and "Black History". And before you jump to conclusions, I went to a southern Baptist college in TN. The class was taught by an 80 year old Baptist minister from South Carolina.
Anyhow, he talked about how southern segregationists and slave owners used to go to church, where their pastors would preach about how God supported the separation of races and supported slavery. They would pull out that one verse from Ephesians, "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters".
Exodus and Deuteronomy was also used to preach against integration.
veryvermilion.

*(The rhetoric following was removed for the purpose of keeping within the 3000 character limit of Topix only)*

Yes. You are right. From beginning to end, one of the main themes of the Bible is separation. According to the historical record:

"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech." (Genesis 11:1)

"And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there." (Genesis 11:2)

"And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter." (Genesis 11:3)

"And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." (Genesis 11:4)

"And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded." (Genesis 11:5)

"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." (Genesis 11:6)

"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." (Proverbs 14:12)

After the Republicans invaded our Southern States, they divided them into military districts for the purpose of enlarging their political power. To enable their rule over the defeated White Christian male, the Republicans disenfranchised him while at the same time they denied his right to hold public office. At the same time they enfranchised the Africans for the purpose of ruling over White women and men. The current preposterous notion of Homosexual "marriage" is a direct outgrowth of that Republican power grab that used their African allies to subjugate the White Christian, as well as to destroy the Christian religion.

Ronald

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