Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Your position is a lie.
Sad part is Iím sure she thinks sheís right. Reality is she doesnít have the smarts or qualifications to take scientific theory and present it as fact. Additionally, repeating the same baseless claims ad nauseum doesnít make them true.

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YES? So you claim that the provision set forth by Article II sec 1 of the constitution preventing a naturalized citizen from becoming President is unconstitutional because of the 14th Amendment? You really are an idiot.
Youíre such a dummy. You really do have reading for comprehension issues donít you? I do not believe it is discriminatory to exclude non-natural born citizens from running for POTUS. Which is what I said, and you somehow comprehended the opposite. Furthermore, I do believe this parallel to be a red herring argument. Youíll get no further responses from me on the subject. And yes you are a bigot.

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KiMerde is a loony tune. HE should be glad his feeble-minded attempt at an analogy isn't being graded by a logic professor. The laughter would be heard around the world.
Agreed, he/she is one confused freak. I wonder if itís mother wishes she would have aborted it?

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Perhaps, but isn't it interesting to contemplate the possibilities?
It is also mind boggling. I think I need to find a 300mm-infinity zoom lens for my old Nikon 35mm SLR.

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My dear, we're not fighting to call ourselves "parents". We're fighting to call ourselves "married".
You can do that now without the state being involved.
You're the only idiot who keeps insisting that in order for a couple to call themselves "married" they must be capable of being called "parent".
Again, I will challenge you to show me one marriage certificate or license that includes the word "parent" or "child". Name one jurisdiction in this country that mandates all married couples to
produce offspring.
There isn't, nor need to be. Husband and wife covers it all. Its about men and women, not men and men, or women and women.
And yet hundreds of thousands of people marry one another who will not, for whatever reason, produce a child. They are no less married than those that do have children.
Why they marry doesn't change why marriage exists in the first place. Marriage didn't develop as a means of addressing the same sex, male or female, sexual relationship. That's why there's no compelling state interest in a SSR.
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Chris says; Oh no I didn't have anything to do with it.
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<quoted text>When did you get released?
When did you start blowing young men at municipal park gloree-holes??

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The state requires posterity and married couples produce children with better outcomes than children born out of wedlock. Better still, graduate high school, find a job and marry before having children. Tough love; marriage isn't a remedial course designed to make homosexuals feel normal.

I understand your support for oppressed minorities; it makes you feel like a good person to push for rewriting marriage law to be inclusive and egalitarian. We understand that and want you to be happy, not to violate the taboos of society. How you live is your business and our law is everyone's business.

However, all people are not equal, men and women differ. When we're dead we are all equal. In that ersatz equality manner, same sex marriage is like a culture of death.

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You say your progressive but instead of embracing civil unions, domestic partnerships and shacking up you turn on our second oldest cultural institution. Instead of embracing the future to create true freedom and equality you want to redefine marriage for everyone. Rather than building a better way helping your brothers and sisters you turn on your parents and grandparents commitment and honor.

Same sex marriage is bad for the shame.
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Let gays suffer the same misery as straight people! They think marriage is some wonderful experience that they will cherish forever! Wait till they find out it ain't what they think! You can live with someone for years, but that doesn't mean you would be better off married to them! I know people who have lived together for over 5 years, got married then divorced in less than a year! Gays will be cursing everyone for allowing same sex marriage!
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Chris says; Oh no I didn't have anything to do with it.

Then why did Douglas Tessitor of the Glendora city council buy you a $1,000,000.00 whole life insurance policy at the tax payers expense?

Glendora, California is just like the city of Bell, California - crooks..

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Spoken by someone whose marriage is so fragile that they are afraid it will be damaged by someone else being able to marry.
I really pity you people
Out of all the discussion, you pull a false assertion out of the air?

Is that really an adult discussion? Do you understand how that insults your intelligence, character and the position you are 'defending'?

I simply state why marriage is distinct from ss couples. You have no defense but ad homoan attacks.

Sad and disgusting.

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Sweet Jesus, a Pea Tardy member explaining to us the difference between chess and checkers.
I'll bet he'd love your completely lame apples/oranges/nut analogy too.
Fools seldom differ.
Ad homoan vomit because you have no reasoned response, or you are incapable of a reasoned response?

Oh,'right, you are a troll claiming to be a brainless dysfunctional vagina.

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congratulations on the 20+ years of married life. you obviously learned from your parents' marriage that was a life-long committment.
Thanks H&M.
I learned the same from my parents. my partner & i have been together over 23 yrs and are raising 3 kids together.
Bravo!
If we could legally marry, then we could protect all the assets we've built together as a couple, just the same as you and your wife (or husband?)(sorry, not sure of your gender, not that it matters in this electronic world).
Uhhhh...that would be with my wife, "Pietro" is the Italian version of Peter. As to your claim, "If we could legally marry....", that raises a number of questions, and/or comments.

1.) Does one need to marry in order to protect assets?

2.) As an individual, you can already legally marry, however that is not what you seek, which is to have your relationship with your same sex partner designated marriage, yes?

3.) If the state, as have several states done, were to create a civil union structure which would allow you to protect those assets you spoke about, would that solve the problem? Needless to say that would depend on the structure of the CU.
but consider that also, back in our grandparent's days, and most likely even in our parent's days - a divorce was a black mark on a person - they were looked down upon. society was vastly different then, even if a woman left her husband for valid reasons of affairs, abuse, alcholism or drug abuse or any number of good reasons a woman should leave a man. it just wasn't acceptable for a grown adult woman to be single or divorced. that attributed to the lower divorce rate back then.
True, no disagreement there. Also too, if a man had reached a certain age, and wasn't married, he was either considered to be a confirmed bachelor, forever playing the field, or, "light in the loafers"....sorry couldn't resist.:)
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IF THE WORLD IS ENDING AND NAZIS ARE GOING THROUGH EVERY TOWN WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH STOPPING NAZIS FROM TAKEING OVER

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All marriage will ever be, from a legal perspective, is a contract.
Our government isnít in the God business, not in the religion business, not in the culture business.
Why does the government need to license marriage via contract? If it's nothing more than a contract as you say, why deny certain consenting adult relationships from entering into such a contract? Why does it matter who marries who, if its only a contract?
Our government is in the law business, and their view ( and recognition of ) marriage is only from a legal perspective.
it will always be officially - a piece of paper - form a legal perspective
If that is the case, why does a "piece of paper" matter to you or anyone else?
Now you have a club that wants to make it harder to divorce, go for it, make rules for you club, but donít expect others not of your club to be bound to your clubs rules.
A "club"? Like the Sons of Italy? What the heck are ya talking about Big D?
In all your ranting you have yet to explain why divorce is worse than murder.
Che? E' pazzo? What the heck in the name of Francis Albert Sinatra, are you talking about? "Divorce worse than murder"?
Remember I donít care from a religious perspective, I donít care from a historical perspective, but from the legal perspective of government.
Legal perspective of what? Why adultery is still a crime on the books? Apparently it still matters to some state governments to maintain such a law.
For myself, my wife and I wanted to marry, and we have wanted to stay married as a symbol to one another of our continued commitment to one another. I know it is just a piece of paper to the government, but it means more to us, and I could care less what it means to some church down the street.
The Church down the street might feel the same way. Jesus loves you anyway.
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RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>and next let's battle for 3 people that love each other! Go andy.
do you have anything positive to add??

those sort of bigoted comments have no place here.
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Earl wrote:
Let gays suffer the same misery as straight people! They think marriage is some wonderful experience that they will cherish forever! Wait till they find out it ain't what they think! You can live with someone for years, but that doesn't mean you would be better off married to them! I know people who have lived together for over 5 years, got married then divorced in less than a year! Gays will be cursing everyone for allowing same sex marriage!
im sure you took the time to look up the divorce rates among gay couples...they are well below the national average.

sort of like you....
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Brian_G wrote:
The state requires posterity and married couples produce children with better outcomes than children born out of wedlock. Better still, graduate high school, find a job and marry before having children. Tough love; marriage isn't a remedial course designed to make homosexuals feel normal.
I understand your support for oppressed minorities; it makes you feel like a good person to push for rewriting marriage law to be inclusive and egalitarian. We understand that and want you to be happy, not to violate the taboos of society. How you live is your business and our law is everyone's business.
However, all people are not equal, men and women differ. When we're dead we are all equal. In that ersatz equality manner, same sex marriage is like a culture of death.
Im sorry brian, but the state doesnt actually require marriages to produce anything......

mabey you should leave your religious beliefes in the closet, where they belong.

same sex marraige is far from a "culture of death"....

i think you truly need to remove your head from your arse to have a discussion without sounding like a mideval asshole!!

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Well VV, at least you shifted from your ad homoan attacks back to silly stupid logic.
You attempt to equate a direct, absolute desolate sterility to those rare heterosexual genetic or accidental exceptions.
Or even sillier, the consequence of age! I suppose you expect married couples to get divorced when they can no longer procreate too?
But the stupidest 'reasoning' is a couple who is fully capable of mutual procreation, choosing not to (for the time being, an option that usually changes) with a ss couple who is absolutely mutually desolate.
By your reasoning, any relationship qualifies for marriage. Moreover, marriage is so dumbed down, we might as well eliminate the term as meaningless.
The bottom line is that my analogy already exposed the silliness of your claim.
The differences between marriage with/without kids and gay couples;
An apple tree bearing fruit.
An apple tree not bearing fruit for some reason.
An walnut tree who never bears any fruit wanting to be a apple tree.
An walnut tree hanging apples on it's branches pretending to be a apple tree.
Even funnier?
The claim that if the government doesn't 'require' apple trees to bear fruit, then it is discrimination not to call walnut trees apple trees too!
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Using your logic, an incestuous marriage should be legal because it can produce offspring. So can plural marriages. So can a marriage between a 50 year old man and a 13 year old girl.
The cross cultural constraint of evolutionary mating behavior is not my logic, it is simple fact. The 'cultural constraint' have already addressed the situations you list and more.
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<quoted text>But, hey, you're the one who keeps claiming that any couples who do not reproduce "are a direct defect of mating behavior. Hence, they do not 'equate' to marriage at the fundamental level."
Your words, not mine...
I claimed no such thing, you lie. Again.
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<quoted text>And I will not respond to your apple tree/walnut tree crap until you can make your point clear. Is the non-producing apple tree supposed to represent something? Is the non-producing walnut tree supposed to represent something? Is the walnut tree that ridiculously walks about gathering apples to hang on its branches supposed to represent something?
You're going to have to have to step outside of your asinine analogy and explain it to the rest of us.
You realize that if no on understands your analogy, it doesn't make you a genius don't you? It just means you suck at analogies.
Do you understand how stupid you look pretending to be stupid about something so simple. Most people would be embarrassed to be that silly.

The hilarious thing is, you opened the door with your very own analogy, so here, lets use that to 'help' your confusion;

A farmer who produces.
A farmer who doesn't produce because of age, disability or choice.
VV who never produces claiming to be a farmer.
VV who buys farm produce and claims to be a farmer.

And sillier still?

VV demands to be called a farmer too because the government doesn't demand that farmers farm.

I was beginning to wonder if you enjoyed getting your ass kicked, and then I realized, you do enjoy abuse there! Sick!

Smirk.

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