Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,188

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183493 Mar 15, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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This may be a hard question for you, but do you consider yourself human? If so, why? I looked it up, and humans have 46 chromosomes. How many do you have?
:)
And if you think that Kimare has 92 chromosomes, then you have to stipulate that Kimare is a Super-Human, and far above your amoebic ass on the food chain...Logic demands this admission, from you.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183494 Mar 15, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>I doubt if you posted any facts. All you post is opinion. And your 'opinions' are not based on facts.
Kimare posts plenty of facts. You ignore them, like a child.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183495 Mar 15, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Oh puh-leez. Do you always just make shit up and expect people to believe it?
No, I don't make shit up, but you do, and it seems to draw plenty of approval from your crowd...Then again, your crowd will clap for anything...
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183496 Mar 15, 2013
Dont think so wrote:
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As long as you don't force your ideas on gay marriage on my beliefs of traditional marriage and those who see marriage as historical & traditional form of union between a man and woman.
No one is forcing tyranny on you, but you are forcing others to change their views to fit yours. If all it is to you is a piece of paper, why not go to these other cultures and get married, why seek to do it with in the government ?
Because its not about wanting to prove your love legally it's about insurance and other types of benefits.
This is the land of the free, you are free to get married in any form you want, but you cannot change the governments views or the majority of the peoples views and we are free to vote that the traditional and historic view of marriage stay the way it is without you forcing your views on us.
That's why your view of marriage was voted out. Yet you want to bypass the will of the people and use liberal gay judges with bias to change the vote.
Now that is tyranny, the few forcing the majority to conform to their views and way of thinking, forcing their version of political correctness. You think if you yell loud enough you can throw out the votes of the majority!
Excellent post! Well said!
SmackerS

Covina, CA

#183497 Mar 15, 2013
Flanders field looks empty now.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183498 Mar 15, 2013
Big D wrote:
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No one is saying you cannot have kids if you want to, but I am not about to let you force people to have children in order to be married, or to get married.
We will not tolerate your desire to be a tyrant
D, LOL, this post is just flat out nuts....Come on, man, forcing people to have children? Really? No-one is forcing anyone to have children...Having children is the reason for marriage, even though it is done for other reasons, wrongly, too. Like grabbing government benefits....

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#183500 Mar 15, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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But, you see, you HAVE been, when you forced your way into the law making machine to institute a fraud. It isn't tyranny to say that 2 men do not belong in possession of a marriage certificate. It is proper. Traditions are being trampled here. By your side.
Bigfoot, the Constitution trumps traditions.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183501 Mar 15, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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You are using a typical con dumb ploy.
It's not the fact that your views are "different" than mine that makes you hate hateful bigot. The fact you want to deny people basic, equal human rights makes you a bigot.
You, obviously, have some difficulty distinguishing between bigotry and rationality.
Robsan5

United States

#183502 Mar 15, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>Bigfoot, the Constitution trumps traditions.
Rose, why do you have a woman's name when everyone knows you a gay man?

Robert

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#183503 Mar 15, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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And if you think that Kimare has 92 chromosomes, then you have to stipulate that Kimare is a Super-Human, and far above your amoebic ass on the food chain...Logic demands this admission, from you.
Not at all. Shrimp have 92 chromosomes. Are they super human?
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183504 Mar 15, 2013
Prop 8 Unconstitutional wrote:
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The will of the majority? 3 states,Washington,Maryland and Maine! But the bottom line and the fact remains that a majority cannot vote away the rights of any minority,especially in the case of California where gays had the right to marry(over 18,000)and it was then taken away unjustly and thus,Prop 8 was ruled Unconstitutional not once but twice! And come this June the Supreme court will make marriage equality the law of the land and they will also strike down DOMA as Unconstitutional! I know lets take a popular vote and vote away a couple of your rights,I suppose you think that just too? NO,you'd be on here protesting that it is Unconstitutional to do,just like the gays are! Oh and don't forget,gays are tax paying citizens supplementing your marriage rights while at the same time being denied those very same rights that you enjoy! That's just plain wrong and when DOMA falls will be rectified! Glad I could help!
You're such a pompous ass. The majority has not "voted away" the rights of any majority, the minority has subverted the rights of the majority to vote on this issue. you are ramrodding a fraudulent definition upon the rest of us. We didn't vote away your rights, we had sodomy laws that you have had swept away by your liberal judges, in spite of what the majority of us find acceptable. And for your information, the SCOTUS has NO jurisdiction to declare (yech) gay marriage the "law of the land", the STATES have the right to make up their own laws, so sorry, too bad, so sad, get mad. Glad to help YOU to understand the Constitution a little bit better! Hope it sticks in yer throat, along with the other stuff.... We don't "take away" rights, we vote on what we will allow, or not. THAT'S Democracy at work. Sodomy laws existed before your gay marriage legislation.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183505 Mar 15, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yes you are, you are working to force Same Sex couples to not be married even though over 100,000 other same sex couples in this country already are married.
No one is trying for force anything on you, why are you denying them?
What if it was you, what if this was coalition to deny some right of yours? That others like you have?
"That others like you have?" Well, if I was gay, then I wouldn't be like the others, and I'd recognize that fact. The fact that 100,000 have gotten married was a fluke, should not have happened, but they acted in a timely fashion, and got something that they shouldn't have.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183506 Mar 15, 2013
Prop 8 Unconstitutional wrote:
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Well then,I guess you haven't seen the all the latest national polls which are in fact now in favor of marriage equality by 52%! And how about reading the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and get back to us! You simply represent the tyranny of the majority and think that your personal beliefs should be able to circumvent the rights afforded us all in the Constitution and Bill of rights!
The Constitutional reasons why Prop 8 and other bans on marriage equality are in fact Unconstitutional!
www.afer.org/our-work/our-arguments
The summery of the Iowa Supreme court decision overturning the ban in that state and why the ban was in fact Unconstitutional!
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/assets/pdf/D... (read the section entitled"Equal protection clause"
This: "...all the latest national polls which are in fact now in favor of marriage equality by 52%..." is a flat out lie. I never received a poll, so it is not representative of the nation, only a carefully screened and controlled group.
Any so-called "national poll" is propaganda, until such time that we ALL receive a questionaire. I have repeatedly pointed out this particular lie. Most Americans do not care, one way or the other, but, out the Americans that actually have an opinion, most are NOT in favor of it. And, the 14th Amendment was about inter-racial marriage, not about sexual orientation, or gender misidentification. Can you please stick to the truth, and facts, and not resort to lies and propaganda? Thank you very much. What you call tyranny is what we call the law of the land. Don't like it? Move somewhere else. The Constitution does not guarantee anyone any marriage rights. Prop 8 is as valid, if not more so, than your circumvention of the traditional views held by the majority, who do not wish to see you HAMMER a round peg into a square hole...
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183507 Mar 15, 2013
Big D wrote:
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You seem to be behind the times, we now have 10 states where same sex marriage is already recognized, and one district, and another state that recognizes same sex marriages performed in other states.
Not only are they having the "ceremonies" be it in churches that promote it, or by a justice of the peace, they are indeed legally married in the eyes of the law.
I donít give a darn about tradition, traditionally Christians were murdered for sport and entertainment, women were denied the vote, black people were slaves.
Just because something is a tradition does not mean it is a good thing.
I am projecting the swiftly gaining majority view.
The real question is why do you want so badly to deny rights to other Americans? I thought this was the land of the free. What harm is their happiness doing to you?
There are 18,000 legally married same sex couples in California, it certainly has not harmed my heterosexual marriage in any way at all, how has it harmed yours?
Don't omit any mention that we also have 40 that do not. Making that......um, let me see.........a 4:1 ratio. You also omitted to mention that Christians burnt my kind. But I bear them no ill will. Women were denied the vote for the wrong reasons, we feared them. Blacks were considered "sub-human", but this was dis-proven. Freedom is one thing, but the freedom to do the wrong thing is not allowed.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183508 Mar 15, 2013
Prop 8 Unconstitutional wrote:
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Hey OH great ignorant one the Constitution does NOT have to list gays! Gays are full citizens entitled to the very same rights as you do and our therefore covered the same as you in the Constitution! Try again,epic fail! Your personal moral beliefs are not nor have they ever been part of "Secular" society! Constitution trumps the bible and your personal morals! You are simply a one trick pony and your posts have been refuted and shown over and over to be Unconstitutional and insignificant as far as said Constitution and the guaranteed rights afforded by "OUR" Constitution! Again majority votes cannot remove Constitutional rights,the very same one's you enjoy whether gay or straight!
There you go again, being a pompous ass. No, sweetz, you are dead wrong there. It is not his personal moral beliefs that is in question, here, it is your forcing your way into inclusion in a ceremony that does not provide for you, or your kind. Unwelcome. Go form your own ceremonies, and leave ours alone. You don't rate the title of "Married". So sorry, but go ask for something else, and don't forget to whine when the SCOTUS declares itself to have no jurisdiction in the matter.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183509 Mar 15, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Bigfoot, nobody is forcing you to marry someone of the same sex. And gay people pay taxes, too, stupid. People are promised equal protection under the law, even if they don't "fit the mold".
You're sure right there, no-one is forcing me to marry someone of the same sex. And, yes sir, gays pay taxes, although it is a minority proportion. Right again, bub. And protection is one thing, but wrongful declarations are something else. The rights that are protected are the ones guaranteeing protection from the government overstepping its bounds, not any that are imagined. Like making everyone accept SSM. Or having the government override the will of the people.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183510 Mar 15, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Look, you stupid b!tch, tell us exactly how men and woman are different.(Apart from physical differences)
And different or not, all people should get equal rights. 14th Amendment.
Would it be OK if the law said the strong can kill the weak? That's reflecting nature.
Your kids would be better off getting pearl necklaces on the street than being raised by you!
OMG, you are such a nasty c*nt.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183511 Mar 15, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Learn how to use a search engine, you dumb b!tch.

STFU. Cra*k + VVh0re.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#183512 Mar 15, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Not at all. Shrimp have 92 chromosomes. Are they super human?
Well, they've got you beat. Keep looking up the food chain, even if it is at shrimp. Aspire to the true greatness. Imagine yourself as a prawn, and you can excel!

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#183513 Mar 15, 2013
Wring is in the air wrote:
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Marriage is an institution that developed to bring straight couples together so they can then be intimate and bear offspring not out of wedlock. With partners who make a lifelong commitment to them and their potential offspring. Having young girls going around making babies without a male partner for financial and moral support is chaos. Just look at the inner ditties where up to 70% of the children born with in the minority communities are born out of wedlock, then end up on government support. Marriage did not come out of existence for same sex people to get together for life. There would be no need for this commitment.
And they gay movement to have marriage arouse so that their partners could be claimed on their medical insurance and such. It had nothing to do with love but a need to be able to get medical treatments and benefits.
The fact is gay partnership is not the same as straight partnership. Couple get married yes because they are in love, but straight couples are getting basically a certificate to bear children without being labeled illegitimate. There is no need for such a certificate or licensee for gay couples and there never will be. Straight couple don't want to be accused of living together in sin, meaning having sex without the consent of parents or their church, in case the woman was to get pregnant then have an illegitimate child out of wedlock.
A gay couple can never bear children of their partners DNA. They may bear illegitimate children, but a marriage license with their gay partner will never fix that status married or not. Fact is that a child will be the biological child of a person they did not marry! Even adoption by a second husband of a straight couple will not make a child legitimate if that child's mother was not married to the biological father.
Gays can adopt, and they can marry, but all that gets them is a piece of paper, it does not help their child to establish legitimacy only the biological parents marriage before they were conceived can do that. This is why marriage ceremonies and traditions came to be. It has nothing to do with gays and their wanting legal avenues to benefits given to married straight couples. It's the insurance policies they need to change not the marriage institution.
So, there's never been an 80 year old rich codger marry a 20 year old blond knock-out?

There's never been an elderly couple marry, even though neither of them want or can have children?

There's never been a couple who has fallen in love and married with no intentions of having a child?

Why should these couples enjoy the rights and protections of marriage if same-gender couples can't?

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