Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 200,980

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181598 Feb 27, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Here we go again..... you are so defective.
The Browns went on tv and ADVERTIZED the fact that they were breaking Utah law. Charges were brought and dropped. The Browns are attempting to get that law overturned. They are NOT SEEKING LEGAL RECOGNITION OF THEIR "MARRIAGE" So spare us the martyr to the cause dog&pony show.
The first step, which they have done, is to avoid prosecution. It's a long road, but if you're young and healthy enough you'll get so see the end of it!

Imagine! True marriage equality! That will be a great day! Right?...Right Miss Thing?...Right?...Miss Thing?...
Counter

Covina, CA

#181599 Feb 27, 2013
Best city council to be bought, Glendora, California known far a wide as the easy to do council member's, doesn't cost much will take lay away plan or time payments.

Just get the money to them, honey.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181600 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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No, that's not it. It's because of an archaic law based on a old theory that it causes medical problems in the offspring. This has been proven mostly false.
You make fun of the goat argument against SSM then you use it yourself 3 hours later against other forms of marriage.
And then you call me a hypocrite.
are you asking me if I am in favor of forced incest marriages whether she wants to or not.

I am not in favor of forced incest marriage

FYI
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181601 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
No, that's not it. It's because of an archaic law based on a old theory that it causes medical problems in the offspring. This has been proven mostly false.
You make fun of the goat argument against SSM then you use it yourself 3 hours later against other forms of marriage.
And then you call me a hypocrite.
No comprehension again Frankie?

The Goat argument is one we are waiting for YOU to make after you get past wanting to marry your sister, the next step in your slippery slope argument.

I am not making any slippery slope arguments at all, nor any argument against poly marriage, just pointing out that it isnít likely to happen soon.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181603 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok you want a serious answer?
Start a petition to put it on a ballot, it will be like taking a survey and you will get a LOT of answers.:)
Have your sister there with you when you do it too, that will make it a LOT funnier, please take video, get Google-glass because we will want to see the feed direct.
Make sure you tell people about the slippery slope and that you are asking because of Same Sex Marriage
My opinion doesnít matter, get a general public opinion.
( but please get Google-glass first, we want to watch )
Same old bullsh!t and diversion, dopey ad hominem and a good dose of nasty meanness against marriage for people you don't like. Nice!

I remember in the early days of same sex marriage there were people exactly like you. With the same dumb jokes.

You think it's funny and crack mean spirited jokes about people being denied equal protection. There are names for people like you. Hypocrite comes to mind.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181604 Feb 27, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't make up the rules in Logic. It's Logic 101.
The slippery slope argument is what it is.
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed.
let's try this ploy:
In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed.
In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed.
In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed.
The worst way to rebut the slippery slope argument is what you do. Deny it. Call it a fallacy. And the best way is with education. Please educate yourself.

I am going to provide an excellent link by a UCLA professor of the law who is in favor of same sex marriage like you and I are on the slippery slope argument.
You would do well to read it. Get educated. Then ditch the dumb "it's a fallacy!" denial response.

Then you'll have a much easier time when someone like me comes along and plays devil's advocate with your dumb ass.

Hope you read it.

http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/marriage.pdf
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181605 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Same old bullsh!t and diversion, dopey ad hominem and a good dose of nasty meanness against marriage for people you don't like. Nice!
I remember in the early days of same sex marriage there were people exactly like you. With the same dumb jokes.
You think it's funny and crack mean spirited jokes about people being denied equal protection. There are names for people like you. Hypocrite comes to mind.
Seriously, Google glass will be available shortly, you will rank high on You tube with that video.

For all I know you will get nothing but positive responses.

Right now we have 10 states that preform same sex marriages, one district that preforms then, one more that recognizes them, with more on the way.

None of these have of course lead to Poly marriages and even if Utah accepted it today, you could not make that case as Same Sex marriages will probably come there last.

So there is no correlation between Poly and Same Sex marriage at all other than someoneís opinion, no facts to speak of. But still, you donít have a ghost of a chance saying A leads to B, let alone C ( your sister ) until you get one state to recognize them.

To make the correlation you need to start with a state that already recognizes them, so the Brown case wonít apply at all.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181606 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
He has been denying the whole "slippery slope" as the reason for his bringing up poly ( and his sister ) thing from the beginning, and now he embraces it.
Maybe we can finally set aside his dishonesty if he is going to start being honest about his position on SSM now.
Liar.

I am trying to discuss marriage equality with your dumb ass. Your extreme hostility speaks volumes.

I ask a philosophical question you fly off the handle. I can't imagine you in a professional meeting! WOW! Accusing people of trying to trick you! Calling them liars! Insisting they have an ulterior motive! Ordering them to go to the streets and campaign. Asking how many people want it because it's not valid unless x number of people want it. etc. etc.

Try and relax. If you don't want to DISCUSS all aspects of marriage equality, maybe don't hang out in a MARRIAGE forum?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181607 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
No comprehension again Frankie?
The Goat argument is one we are waiting for YOU to make after you get past wanting to marry your sister, the next step in your slippery slope argument.
I am not making any slippery slope arguments at all, nor any argument against poly marriage, just pointing out that it isnít likely to happen soon.
The marry your goat argument again. You ridicule it when used against same sex marriage and then champion it when used against any form of marriage you don't like.

Classic hypocrite.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181608 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
No comprehension again Frankie?
The Goat argument is one we are waiting for YOU to make after you get past wanting to marry your sister, the next step in your slippery slope argument.
I am not making any slippery slope arguments at all, nor any argument against poly marriage, just pointing out that it isnít likely to happen soon.
I am making the slippery slope argument dummy.

Damn you're stupid boy!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181609 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously, Google glass will be available shortly, you will rank high on You tube with that video.
For all I know you will get nothing but positive responses.
Right now we have 10 states that preform same sex marriages, one district that preforms then, one more that recognizes them, with more on the way.
None of these have of course lead to Poly marriages and even if Utah accepted it today, you could not make that case as Same Sex marriages will probably come there last.
So there is no correlation between Poly and Same Sex marriage at all other than someoneís opinion, no facts to speak of. But still, you donít have a ghost of a chance saying A leads to B, let alone C ( your sister ) until you get one state to recognize them.
To make the correlation you need to start with a state that already recognizes them, so the Brown case wonít apply at all.
Of course I cannot effectively discuss marriage with you. You're too paranoid, and I have to spend time I could use having an intelligent discussion responding to your straw men, ad hominem and PARANOIA.
Your paranoia to my devil's advocate speaks volumes though.

Relax. Go discuss it with someone less provocative. Someone more your speed. Pat each other on the back and feel very righteous!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181610 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
He has been denying the whole "slippery slope" as the reason for his bringing up poly ( and his sister ) thing from the beginning, and now he embraces it.
Maybe we can finally set aside his dishonesty if he is going to start being honest about his position on SSM now.
The old tired "Frankie's a liar!" straw man AGAIN?

Get some new schtick dude! And not the not enough people one. And please not the go campaign for it one. Or the popularity one...

I just want to discuss marriage. So sue me! That's what this forum is for you big dummy!
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181611 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course I cannot effectively discuss marriage with you. You're too paranoid, and I have to spend time I could use having an intelligent discussion responding to your straw men, ad hominem and PARANOIA.
Your paranoia to my devil's advocate speaks volumes though.
Relax. Go discuss it with someone less provocative. Someone more your speed. Pat each other on the back and feel very righteous!
Sure you can, but first you need to actually establish that A( same sex marriage ) leads to B ( poly Marriage ) before you can jump to C ( your sister ) and then we can get to D ( your goat )

So far we donít have that, just a bunch of opinions.

I am trying to help you here, Brown does not apply because of the state it is happening in, Utah is out of the question because recognition of Poly there will certainly NOT have come from Same sex marriage.

To even start to make the case, you need to get Poly recognized in one of the 10 that recognizes Same sex marriage ( or DC ) Then we can discuss if one actually led to the other.

right now... you got zip , I am trying to show you how you can actually have this argument and it be more than just your opinion.

OK I am also laughing my behind off... but that is beside the point.

Short Eye Hookup Next

Fullerton, CA

#181612 Feb 27, 2013
Next thing you know, 35 year old men and 12 year old boys will be allowed to marry. Along with Suzir widow and her German Shepard dog.

Opposite sexual private parts fit together to make a baby. One man's penis does not naturally fit in the poop chute of another man. And the only birth that will take place from that "union" is a turd.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181613 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
...angry balther...bla bla bla...rant...So there is no correlation between Poly and Same Sex marriage at all other than someoneís opinion, no facts to speak of....
They're both MARRIAGE. Worthy of the same respect and consideration.

We shouldn't have to specify opposite sex, same sex, or poly. It's all marriage. And all should be equal. They are not.

There is no one right way. Big D approved.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181614 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure you can, but first you need to actually establish that A( same sex marriage ) leads to B ( poly Marriage ) before you can jump to C ( your sister ) and then we can get to D ( your goat )
So far we donít have that, just a bunch of opinions.
I am trying to help you here, Brown does not apply because of the state it is happening in, Utah is out of the question because recognition of Poly there will certainly NOT have come from Same sex marriage.
To even start to make the case, you need to get Poly recognized in one of the 10 that recognizes Same sex marriage ( or DC ) Then we can discuss if one actually led to the other.
right now... you got zip , I am trying to show you how you can actually have this argument and it be more than just your opinion.
OK I am also laughing my behind off... but that is beside the point.
Everything you say I should do I have done. You shout me down, accuse me of lying, ridicule me order me to go out and campaign, and then tell me I should do what I have already done again.

Priceless!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181615 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure you can, but first you need to actually establish that A( same sex marriage ) leads to B ( poly Marriage ) before you can jump to C ( your sister ) and then we can get to D ( your goat )
So far we donít have that, just a bunch of opinions.
I am trying to help you here, Brown does not apply because of the state it is happening in, Utah is out of the question because recognition of Poly there will certainly NOT have come from Same sex marriage.
To even start to make the case, you need to get Poly recognized in one of the 10 that recognizes Same sex marriage ( or DC ) Then we can discuss if one actually led to the other.
right now... you got zip , I am trying to show you how you can actually have this argument and it be more than just your opinion.
OK I am also laughing my behind off... but that is beside the point.
Again jackass. I want to discuss poly in relation to marriage equality and same sex marriage. I don't want to actively devote my life to it. Stop ordering me around. "You need to". You need to get an argument!

I am old. And cannot walk. My active political days were in the over a half century ago. Then I'd actively work for an equal rights cause I was passionate about.

Now I just want to discuss equality on a discussion forum. But you shout me down because you think I have an ulterior motive. You're paranoid son. Am I too provocative for you to handle son?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#181616 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
The first step, which they have done, is to avoid prosecution. It's a long road, but if you're young and healthy enough you'll get so see the end of it!
Imagine! True marriage equality! That will be a great day! Right?...Right Miss Thing?...Right?...Miss Thing?...
Then why aren't the Browns asking for it?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#181617 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Same old bullsh!t and diversion, dopey ad hominem and a good dose of nasty meanness against marriage for people you don't like. Nice!
I remember in the early days of same sex marriage there were people exactly like you. With the same dumb jokes.
You think it's funny and crack mean spirited jokes about people being denied equal protection. There are names for people like you. Hypocrite comes to mind.
Who says they were denied equal protection?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#181618 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
The worst way to rebut the slippery slope argument is what you do. Deny it. Call it a fallacy. And the best way is with education. Please educate yourself.
I am going to provide an excellent link by a UCLA professor of the law who is in favor of same sex marriage like you and I are on the slippery slope argument.
You would do well to read it. Get educated. Then ditch the dumb "it's a fallacy!" denial response.
Then you'll have a much easier time when someone like me comes along and plays devil's advocate with your dumb ass.
Hope you read it.
http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/marriage.pdf
...yawn...

Don't you think I've seen that before? Get back to me when the rules change.

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