Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,748

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181604 Feb 27, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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I didn't make up the rules in Logic. It's Logic 101.
The slippery slope argument is what it is.
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed.
let's try this ploy:
In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed.
In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed.
In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed.
The worst way to rebut the slippery slope argument is what you do. Deny it. Call it a fallacy. And the best way is with education. Please educate yourself.

I am going to provide an excellent link by a UCLA professor of the law who is in favor of same sex marriage like you and I are on the slippery slope argument.
You would do well to read it. Get educated. Then ditch the dumb "it's a fallacy!" denial response.

Then you'll have a much easier time when someone like me comes along and plays devil's advocate with your dumb ass.

Hope you read it.

http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/marriage.pdf
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181605 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Same old bullsh!t and diversion, dopey ad hominem and a good dose of nasty meanness against marriage for people you don't like. Nice!
I remember in the early days of same sex marriage there were people exactly like you. With the same dumb jokes.
You think it's funny and crack mean spirited jokes about people being denied equal protection. There are names for people like you. Hypocrite comes to mind.
Seriously, Google glass will be available shortly, you will rank high on You tube with that video.

For all I know you will get nothing but positive responses.

Right now we have 10 states that preform same sex marriages, one district that preforms then, one more that recognizes them, with more on the way.

None of these have of course lead to Poly marriages and even if Utah accepted it today, you could not make that case as Same Sex marriages will probably come there last.

So there is no correlation between Poly and Same Sex marriage at all other than someone’s opinion, no facts to speak of. But still, you don’t have a ghost of a chance saying A leads to B, let alone C ( your sister ) until you get one state to recognize them.

To make the correlation you need to start with a state that already recognizes them, so the Brown case won’t apply at all.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181606 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
He has been denying the whole "slippery slope" as the reason for his bringing up poly ( and his sister ) thing from the beginning, and now he embraces it.
Maybe we can finally set aside his dishonesty if he is going to start being honest about his position on SSM now.
Liar.

I am trying to discuss marriage equality with your dumb ass. Your extreme hostility speaks volumes.

I ask a philosophical question you fly off the handle. I can't imagine you in a professional meeting! WOW! Accusing people of trying to trick you! Calling them liars! Insisting they have an ulterior motive! Ordering them to go to the streets and campaign. Asking how many people want it because it's not valid unless x number of people want it. etc. etc.

Try and relax. If you don't want to DISCUSS all aspects of marriage equality, maybe don't hang out in a MARRIAGE forum?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181607 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
No comprehension again Frankie?
The Goat argument is one we are waiting for YOU to make after you get past wanting to marry your sister, the next step in your slippery slope argument.
I am not making any slippery slope arguments at all, nor any argument against poly marriage, just pointing out that it isn’t likely to happen soon.
The marry your goat argument again. You ridicule it when used against same sex marriage and then champion it when used against any form of marriage you don't like.

Classic hypocrite.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181608 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
No comprehension again Frankie?
The Goat argument is one we are waiting for YOU to make after you get past wanting to marry your sister, the next step in your slippery slope argument.
I am not making any slippery slope arguments at all, nor any argument against poly marriage, just pointing out that it isn’t likely to happen soon.
I am making the slippery slope argument dummy.

Damn you're stupid boy!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181609 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously, Google glass will be available shortly, you will rank high on You tube with that video.
For all I know you will get nothing but positive responses.
Right now we have 10 states that preform same sex marriages, one district that preforms then, one more that recognizes them, with more on the way.
None of these have of course lead to Poly marriages and even if Utah accepted it today, you could not make that case as Same Sex marriages will probably come there last.
So there is no correlation between Poly and Same Sex marriage at all other than someone’s opinion, no facts to speak of. But still, you don’t have a ghost of a chance saying A leads to B, let alone C ( your sister ) until you get one state to recognize them.
To make the correlation you need to start with a state that already recognizes them, so the Brown case won’t apply at all.
Of course I cannot effectively discuss marriage with you. You're too paranoid, and I have to spend time I could use having an intelligent discussion responding to your straw men, ad hominem and PARANOIA.
Your paranoia to my devil's advocate speaks volumes though.

Relax. Go discuss it with someone less provocative. Someone more your speed. Pat each other on the back and feel very righteous!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181610 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
He has been denying the whole "slippery slope" as the reason for his bringing up poly ( and his sister ) thing from the beginning, and now he embraces it.
Maybe we can finally set aside his dishonesty if he is going to start being honest about his position on SSM now.
The old tired "Frankie's a liar!" straw man AGAIN?

Get some new schtick dude! And not the not enough people one. And please not the go campaign for it one. Or the popularity one...

I just want to discuss marriage. So sue me! That's what this forum is for you big dummy!
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181611 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course I cannot effectively discuss marriage with you. You're too paranoid, and I have to spend time I could use having an intelligent discussion responding to your straw men, ad hominem and PARANOIA.
Your paranoia to my devil's advocate speaks volumes though.
Relax. Go discuss it with someone less provocative. Someone more your speed. Pat each other on the back and feel very righteous!
Sure you can, but first you need to actually establish that A( same sex marriage ) leads to B ( poly Marriage ) before you can jump to C ( your sister ) and then we can get to D ( your goat )

So far we don’t have that, just a bunch of opinions.

I am trying to help you here, Brown does not apply because of the state it is happening in, Utah is out of the question because recognition of Poly there will certainly NOT have come from Same sex marriage.

To even start to make the case, you need to get Poly recognized in one of the 10 that recognizes Same sex marriage ( or DC ) Then we can discuss if one actually led to the other.

right now... you got zip , I am trying to show you how you can actually have this argument and it be more than just your opinion.

OK I am also laughing my behind off... but that is beside the point.

Short Eye Hookup Next

Fullerton, CA

#181612 Feb 27, 2013
Next thing you know, 35 year old men and 12 year old boys will be allowed to marry. Along with Suzir widow and her German Shepard dog.

Opposite sexual private parts fit together to make a baby. One man's penis does not naturally fit in the poop chute of another man. And the only birth that will take place from that "union" is a turd.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181613 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
...angry balther...bla bla bla...rant...So there is no correlation between Poly and Same Sex marriage at all other than someone’s opinion, no facts to speak of....
They're both MARRIAGE. Worthy of the same respect and consideration.

We shouldn't have to specify opposite sex, same sex, or poly. It's all marriage. And all should be equal. They are not.

There is no one right way. Big D approved.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181614 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure you can, but first you need to actually establish that A( same sex marriage ) leads to B ( poly Marriage ) before you can jump to C ( your sister ) and then we can get to D ( your goat )
So far we don’t have that, just a bunch of opinions.
I am trying to help you here, Brown does not apply because of the state it is happening in, Utah is out of the question because recognition of Poly there will certainly NOT have come from Same sex marriage.
To even start to make the case, you need to get Poly recognized in one of the 10 that recognizes Same sex marriage ( or DC ) Then we can discuss if one actually led to the other.
right now... you got zip , I am trying to show you how you can actually have this argument and it be more than just your opinion.
OK I am also laughing my behind off... but that is beside the point.
Everything you say I should do I have done. You shout me down, accuse me of lying, ridicule me order me to go out and campaign, and then tell me I should do what I have already done again.

Priceless!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#181615 Feb 27, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure you can, but first you need to actually establish that A( same sex marriage ) leads to B ( poly Marriage ) before you can jump to C ( your sister ) and then we can get to D ( your goat )
So far we don’t have that, just a bunch of opinions.
I am trying to help you here, Brown does not apply because of the state it is happening in, Utah is out of the question because recognition of Poly there will certainly NOT have come from Same sex marriage.
To even start to make the case, you need to get Poly recognized in one of the 10 that recognizes Same sex marriage ( or DC ) Then we can discuss if one actually led to the other.
right now... you got zip , I am trying to show you how you can actually have this argument and it be more than just your opinion.
OK I am also laughing my behind off... but that is beside the point.
Again jackass. I want to discuss poly in relation to marriage equality and same sex marriage. I don't want to actively devote my life to it. Stop ordering me around. "You need to". You need to get an argument!

I am old. And cannot walk. My active political days were in the over a half century ago. Then I'd actively work for an equal rights cause I was passionate about.

Now I just want to discuss equality on a discussion forum. But you shout me down because you think I have an ulterior motive. You're paranoid son. Am I too provocative for you to handle son?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#181616 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
The first step, which they have done, is to avoid prosecution. It's a long road, but if you're young and healthy enough you'll get so see the end of it!
Imagine! True marriage equality! That will be a great day! Right?...Right Miss Thing?...Right?...Miss Thing?...
Then why aren't the Browns asking for it?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#181617 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Same old bullsh!t and diversion, dopey ad hominem and a good dose of nasty meanness against marriage for people you don't like. Nice!
I remember in the early days of same sex marriage there were people exactly like you. With the same dumb jokes.
You think it's funny and crack mean spirited jokes about people being denied equal protection. There are names for people like you. Hypocrite comes to mind.
Who says they were denied equal protection?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#181618 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
The worst way to rebut the slippery slope argument is what you do. Deny it. Call it a fallacy. And the best way is with education. Please educate yourself.
I am going to provide an excellent link by a UCLA professor of the law who is in favor of same sex marriage like you and I are on the slippery slope argument.
You would do well to read it. Get educated. Then ditch the dumb "it's a fallacy!" denial response.
Then you'll have a much easier time when someone like me comes along and plays devil's advocate with your dumb ass.
Hope you read it.
http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/marriage.pdf
...yawn...

Don't you think I've seen that before? Get back to me when the rules change.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181619 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything you say I should do I have done. You shout me down, accuse me of lying, ridicule me order me to go out and campaign, and then tell me I should do what I have already done again.
Priceless!
OK let me put it in very simple terms for you.

You are trying to say that one leads to another which leads to another etc

Work to get poly legal in one state, a state that already recognizes same sex marriages ( else your argument won’t work ) and then we can discuss if one led to the other.

If Utah recognizes poly, that won’t work, because Utah does not ( and will not soon ) recognize same sex marriages.

The Brown case is in a state ( I think ) which does not recognize same sex marriages so that certainly would not apply as one leading to the other.

The only way you can even start to make the case that one leads to the other is to get Poly recognized in a state that does recognize same sex marriages ( and preferably not in any state that does not ) and then you can just barely start to make the case that one leads to the other.

after that you can work on your sister, and then perhaps your goat if you really want to carry it that far.:)

But before you can make any argument that one leads to another, you need to get one state to recognize it, a state that currently recognizes same sex marriage.

So far… you got zip

Go get google glass and we will watch, it will be fun!
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#181620 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
We shouldn't have to specify opposite sex, same sex, or poly. It's all marriage. And all should be equal. They are not.
.
All should be equal? Let me know when 3 = 2.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#181621 Feb 27, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
Am I too provocative for you to handle son?
Hardly. You're too stupid.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#181622 Feb 27, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Polygamy has been far more active than calling gay couples married.
In any culture. Anywhere. At any time.
Smile.
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong
Not in the US and certainly not lately, so not anywhere and anytime. Same Sex marriage is legal in 10 states and DC, how many is Poly legal in... I will give you a hint..... none
There are today over a hundred thousand legally married gay couples in the US alone, far more than Poly marriages
I am sure I would find the same true in the 17 other countries that legally marry same sex couples.
Welcome to today
However if Poly is so “active” why has there not been more of a push to make it legal?
However if Poly is so “active” why has there not been more of a push to make it legal?
Nice try.

Polygamy has existed in cultures from start to finish throughout human history, and been fully accepted in many. Gay 'marriage' has never been fully accepted and only extremely brief and rarely observed.

And yes, polygamy showed up in the US long ago, and has never been extinguished. Only in the last decade has gay 'marriages' attempted to get a foothold. Hardly a comparison.

As many posters point out, there always has been a push, and if gay couples impose their relationship on marriage, polygamy will legally be required to be accepted. You know that.

Smile.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#181623 Feb 27, 2013
Remember the pitfalls

While you are getting those signatures for your ballot measure, if Utah suddenly recognizes Poly Marriage, you just lost your entire case, as that could not possibly have come from Same Sex marriage.

Just want you to be aware of the pitfall in your strawm..... I mean...in your argument.

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