Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Big D wrote:
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No moron, you really are that transparent, the funny part is that you donít realize it. Just about everyone has called you on it, and no matter how flat you fail, you just keep going.
He is unteachable and incorrigible.
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I donít need to, there are a lot of mentally ill people, regardless of their sexual orientation.
But they are NOT the face of Same Sex marriage, you desperately want them to be, but they are not.
you are losing fast, 10 states now, and more to come.
No they are not now BUT THEY WERE. Damn you are thick as a brick.
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this is great! finally comes understanding and compassion. it would be just as unconstitutional to ban same sex marriage as it would to take ahetersosexual couple and force them to seperate or to deny them their God given right of freedom to love who they want. For example,HUD housing,certain states deny two of the same sex to cohabit even if they were legally married in another state ,all because of the unconstitutional bans on this basic human right.So then,the two who are in love,are evicted and left to struggle to find another home!its injustice! Finally,a judge has b
rought justice to california!
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Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>He is unteachable and incorrigible.
Janey Doody, it's the other way around.

"Opponents of gay rights often warn that legalizing same-sex marriage would inexorably lead to legalizing polygamy. Maybe it would, and maybe it should. Denying gay couples the right to marry violates state constitutional guarantees of equality, as several states high courts have rightly ruled.(The Supreme Court of California also held that the right to marry is fundamental.)

Surely Mormons have the same rights to equal treatment under lawóand of course, they have a substantial First Amendment claim to engage in multiple marriages according to the dictates of their faith.

So why is polygamy illegal? Why donít Mormons have the right to enter into multiple marriages sanctified by their church, if not the state? Thereís a short answer to this question but not a very good one: polygamy is illegal and unprotected by the Constitution because the Supreme Court doesnít like it. Over one hundred years ago, the Court held in Reynolds v. U.S. that polygamy was ďan offence against society...Ē

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php...
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he has brought it!
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No they are not now BUT THEY WERE. Damn you are thick as a brick.
But you keep trying to put them up front

this tactic is failing, states are accepting same sex marriage regardless of your desperate attempts
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Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>He is unteachable and incorrigible.
If you are trying to teach me that polyamorists don't deserve equal protection then yes, I am unteachable.

Because you are wrong. And you won't say why they don't deserve it, you just say "because it's against the law!"
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If you are trying to teach me that polyamorists don't deserve equal protection then yes, I am unteachable.
Because you are wrong. And you won't say why they don't deserve it, you just say "because it's against the law!"
No one is trying to teach you, we would have to be paid ( a lot ) for that. We are just laughing at you
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Big D wrote:
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But you keep trying to put them up front
this tactic is failing, states are accepting same sex marriage regardless of your desperate attempts
You know damn well I support SSM. How could I not without being a hypocrite like you? The old Big D "you're a liar" straw man.

Any desperation here is yours, you are getting dishonest again and you are not even bothering to conceal your bigotry and hypocrisy.

What you say about "the face of polygamy" is ugly hateful rhetoric NO DIFFERENT from what was said about homosexuals a few decades ago. You thinly disguise it by claiming it's not you, it's everybody else.
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No one is trying to teach you, we would have to be paid ( a lot ) for that. We are just laughing at you
ha ha so funny. The government removed 436 children from their biological parents with no evidence of any crime or abuse beyond polygamy. ha ha ha! good one! A real knee slapper.

Little kids crying and terrified. In police cars and strange homes and orphanages away from their siblings. Not allowed to see their criminal parents. What a laugh eh?
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You know damn well I support SSM. How could I not without being a hypocrite like you? The old Big D "you're a liar" straw man.
Any desperation here is yours, you are getting dishonest again and you are not even bothering to conceal your bigotry and hypocrisy.
What you say about "the face of polygamy" is ugly hateful rhetoric NO DIFFERENT from what was said about homosexuals a few decades ago. You thinly disguise it by claiming it's not you, it's everybody else.
No I donít believe for one moment that you support SSM

I know you say you do, but you constant tactics to try and distract, and your incessant attacks on anyone that supports SSM and your constant defending of anyone opposed exposes your actual position

No one is fooled
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ha ha so funny. The government removed 436 children from their biological parents with no evidence of any crime or abuse beyond polygamy. ha ha ha! good one! A real knee slapper.
Little kids crying and terrified. In police cars and strange homes and orphanages away from their siblings. Not allowed to see their criminal parents. What a laugh eh?
Perhaps you are even more ignorant than I think you are
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Perhaps you are even more ignorant than I think you are
On the basis of one anonymous phone call (that later appeared to be a hoax), Texas authorities forcibly removed more than 460 children from their parents without evidence of actual abuse in each case. Parents and children were ordered to undergo DNA testing (Who knows how long the state will maintain the DNA database, or to what uses it will be put?), and the children were summarily consigned to the notorious Texas foster-care system.

You approve of this sh!t?
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No I donít believe for one moment that you support SSM
I know you say you do, but you constant tactics to try and distract, and your incessant attacks on anyone that supports SSM and your constant defending of anyone opposed exposes your actual position
No one is fooled
"Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid..."

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LOL no one is afraid of you, and no one believes you.

Stephen Stills wonít help you

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No. I am not interested in a poly marriage.
I am only interested in discussing it in relation to same marriage equality. As I've told you countless times.
If it upsets you so much or you don't understand my points, it's not my problem, Just stop stalking me creep.
Got it you're a troll.

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ha ha so funny. The government removed 436 children from their biological parents with no evidence of any crime or abuse beyond polygamy. ha ha ha! good one! A real knee slapper.
Little kids crying and terrified. In police cars and strange homes and orphanages away from their siblings. Not allowed to see their criminal parents. What a laugh eh?
Please provide a link to the news story.
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LOL no one is afraid of you, and no one believes you.
Stephen Stills wonít help you
He won't help you either. Great argument you have there by the way.

You are afraid of the mention of polygamy. Or else why such a hostile reaction?

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No idea who that is, but you throw enough money at a lawyer and they will take just about anything to court.
He's a major force in the marriage equality movement, plural marriage division.

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No idea who that is, but you throw enough money at a lawyer and they will take just about anything to court.
A gay-wedding crasher
Editorial
A law professor attempts to use a homosexual rights ruling to defend a polygamous family in Utah.
July 31, 2011
Jonathan Turley is probably not the most popular man right now with supporters of same-sex marriage. The George Washington University law professor has filed a suit challenging the constitutionality of Utah's anti-polygamy laws ó and his argument is based on a landmark 2003 Supreme Court gay rights decision. That's not good news in the view of most gay rights supporters, who don't want their cause linked to that of polygamists any more than they want to see parallels drawn with people who engage in incest, bestiality and other taboo sexual practices.

The Utah case involves Kody Brown, his legal wife, Meri Brown, and three other "sister wives." It's not actually about marriage, and it doesn't challenge the right of the state to refuse to issue wedding licenses to polygamous families. The Browns are in court because they fear they will be prosecuted.

The 2003 gay rights case, Lawrence vs. Texas, was also a criminal matter unrelated to same-sex marriage. The court overturned the conviction of two men found to have violated a state law against same-sex sodomy. But in reaching that conclusion, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy offered a paean to intimate relationships defined by sexuality that easily can be transferred to the context of same-sex marriage, and potentially to polygamous marriages as well:

"The case does involve two adults who, with full and mutual consent from each other, engaged in sexual practices common to a homosexual lifestyle. The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives. The state cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime. Their right to liberty under the [Constitution's] due process clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government."

Kennedy emphasized in Lawrence that same-sex marriage wasn't before the court. Similarly, in an interview with the New York Times, Turley suggested that decriminalizing polygamy will not inevitably lead to a movement for polygamous marriage. But language addressed to one issue often surfaces in cases dealing with others. When Massachusetts' highest court decided to strike down the state's limitation of marriage to heterosexual couples, it cited the Lawrence opinion.

So is polygamy about to receive the same legal status that same-sex marriage now has in several states? Not in the near term. For one thing, the U.S. Supreme Court has not recognized same-sex marriage, a prerequisite, some think, for acceptance of polygamous marriage. Meanwhile, the federal court in Utah, in parallel with Lawrence, may rule simply that the Browns and other polygamous families are immune to prosecution but can't have their multiple "spiritual marriages" blessed by the law.

But, like Lawrence, a ruling sympathetic to unconventional sexual behavior could plant the seeds of a future campaign for full marriage equality. In that case, governments would have to prove that it's rational to limit marriage to two individuals, homosexual or heterosexual. That might seem obvious, but so, at one time, did the argument that marriage should be confined to opposite-sex couples.

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