Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Big D

Modesto, CA

#171590 Dec 18, 2012
Mike DiRucci wrote:
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Brown shoes are called airedales in the Navy too. Don't wear brown shoes anymore though.
I flew SAR missions off two different aircraft carriers (two tours) on Yankee Station from 1968 to 1971. I was a high tech type and I would salvage top secret electronics from our downed aircraft before the NVA or VC could. They sent me cause I knew what to destroy or take away and how to get it out fast.
Took a little side trip to North Korea when they shot down one of our planes. So got the medal, tee shirt and hat for the Korean War too.
Signed up for The Navy so I wouldn't be drafted into the meat grinder of the Army infantry etc. Worked out good for me. Used the GI Bill when I got out to get a MS in geology. Was a geologist for the USGS for 33 years. I owe it all to the Navy slapping my young dumbass into shape and squaring me the f*ck away!
I donít blame you for that, the army was a meat grinder in those days

Vietnam was still on, but winding down when I joined. I was dissatisfied with my life and the direction it was going, friends either in jail or heading in that direction. Wanted to change things, didnít think I would handle the army or marines well, thought about the Air Force and Navy, almost joined the Coast Guard on a whim. Had not put a lot of thought into it at the time, I was pretty young.

Ended up being quite an adventure, 2 years on an Ice Breaker, USCGC Burton Island.

but it did do what I intended it to, turned my life around.

SAR missions? You would have fit right in, a lot of Coast guard missions are SAR

“Formerly Frankie Rizzo”

Since: Sep 12

Canarsie, NY

#171591 Dec 18, 2012
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I donít blame you for that, the army was a meat grinder in those days
Vietnam was still on, but winding down when I joined. I was dissatisfied with my life and the direction it was going, friends either in jail or heading in that direction. Wanted to change things, didnít think I would handle the army or marines well, thought about the Air Force and Navy, almost joined the Coast Guard on a whim. Had not put a lot of thought into it at the time, I was pretty young.
Ended up being quite an adventure, 2 years on an Ice Breaker, USCGC Burton Island.
but it did do what I intended it to, turned my life around.
SAR missions? You would have fit right in, a lot of Coast guard missions are SAR
I smoked a big fatty on the Brooklyn to Manhattan ferry one day while contemplating what I should do about my impending draft notice.

Enjoying a fine buzz while cruising along on the big ferry, the Navy and the sea struck my fancy. Signed up the next day. Went to Great Lakes boot camp ("Great Mistakes") from November through February. Brrrrrr!

Yes indeed. Turned my life around too. Still a little hungover.

“Formerly Frankie Rizzo”

Since: Sep 12

Canarsie, NY

#171592 Dec 18, 2012
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I donít blame you for that, the army was a meat grinder in those days
Vietnam was still on, but winding down when I joined. I was dissatisfied with my life and the direction it was going, friends either in jail or heading in that direction. Wanted to change things, didnít think I would handle the army or marines well, thought about the Air Force and Navy, almost joined the Coast Guard on a whim. Had not put a lot of thought into it at the time, I was pretty young.
Ended up being quite an adventure, 2 years on an Ice Breaker, USCGC Burton Island.
but it did do what I intended it to, turned my life around.
SAR missions? You would have fit right in, a lot of Coast guard missions are SAR
I went in with the SAR crew. They rescued the pilot, I rescued the top secret electronics. Usually the aircraft and the pilot were far apart as the pilot had ejected before the crash ideally. Picked up the pilot first. Then it was my turn to fetch the top secret gear. Or destroy it. If the enemy was already there we'd call in an air strike and hightail it out of there.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#171596 Dec 18, 2012
Mike DiRucci wrote:
<quoted text>
I went in with the SAR crew. They rescued the pilot, I rescued the top secret electronics. Usually the aircraft and the pilot were far apart as the pilot had ejected before the crash ideally. Picked up the pilot first. Then it was my turn to fetch the top secret gear. Or destroy it. If the enemy was already there we'd call in an air strike and hightail it out of there.
I never did any of that kind of stuff myself, my second 3 years were spent on Yerba Buena Island which most people mistake and call Treasure island, it is the natural island on the bay bridge to San Francisco.

I was a firefighter, but scheduled on boat watch crews on duty days, usually pulled jumpers out of the water under the GG bridge. You could call it SAR, but they were always already dead, and we have to knock the sharks off of them before pulling them on board.

Most interesting story there was an inspection on a large sailboat. It was obviously overladen and the crew looked pretty scummy, so we took our longest hair and laid back looking guardsman, he pulled the shirt tails out of his pants and tried to look like he didnít give a crap and boarded them for a safety inspection.

He check thier life preservers and other small crap, gave them a certificate of passage and left.. he told us the boat was just packed to the gills with bales of what was obviously Marijuana, he said it was all over the deck.

The sailboat headed into Oakland and we informed the police and then backed them up with a 50 footer, I donít know if you have seen a Coast guard 50 footer but it will scare the pants off anything smaller, and some things quite a bit larger. A 50 footer will really move, they are designed to catch fast boats.

I wasnít on the 50, but was told there was a firefight on the docks with the Oakland police when they showed up, the cut loose ( just into the water ) with the twin 50 caliber machine guns behind the sailboat and they surrendered to the police.

The police told the boat captain that they would have surrendered too after hearing that.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#171598 Dec 18, 2012
Oops it wasnt a 50 footer, it was an 82

50 footers dont have those kinds of guns
Goldlines

West Covina, CA

#171599 Dec 18, 2012
A fat-headed mindless Senior citizen abuser was a speaker Saturday December 15, 2012 bridge grand opening.

This electd official has been a abuser ever since he was in public school.
Skunk holler bill

Charlottesville, VA

#171600 Dec 18, 2012
I was in the bay in a 21 foot fishing boat. I have never smoked dope or been in trouble. I decided to join the USAF and stayed 21 yrs. It was cold on the bay tho and I ended up flying in Vietnam 190 missions and three very romantic tours. A life changing experience for me. Now all I want to do is ride my motorcycle to the next stop. Wherever that may be??? I am very happy now.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#171601 Dec 18, 2012
Skunk holler bill wrote:
I was in the bay in a 21 foot fishing boat. I have never smoked dope or been in trouble. I decided to join the USAF and stayed 21 yrs. It was cold on the bay tho and I ended up flying in Vietnam 190 missions and three very romantic tours. A life changing experience for me. Now all I want to do is ride my motorcycle to the next stop. Wherever that may be??? I am very happy now.
We had an ex Nam chopper pilot on the BI

He told the most hilarious stories about being shot down.

He had been downed 3 times ( hard for me to imagine )

He said the first time you are shot down, you are screaming your head off into the mic, scared shitless.

The second time you know the drill and are more calm and relaxed as you give your coordinates for them to come get you, problem is when you are relaxed they take their time picking you up because it doesnít sound serious.

The third time you are back screaming into the mic "My wife is rich! my wife is rich.. we are all going to die!" even if you are on the friendly side and an easy pick up
MagicJack

West Covina, CA

#171602 Dec 18, 2012
Be a self starter and post in another towns topic arena.

“Formerly Frankie Rizzo”

Since: Sep 12

Canarsie, NY

#171603 Dec 18, 2012
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
We had an ex Nam chopper pilot on the BI
He told the most hilarious stories about being shot down.
He had been downed 3 times ( hard for me to imagine )
He said the first time you are shot down, you are screaming your head off into the mic, scared shitless.
The second time you know the drill and are more calm and relaxed as you give your coordinates for them to come get you, problem is when you are relaxed they take their time picking you up because it doesnít sound serious.
The third time you are back screaming into the mic "My wife is rich! my wife is rich.. we are all going to die!" even if you are on the friendly side and an easy pick up
I never met a pilot who had just ejected into Indian country who was relaxed! Even if they'd done it before. Most hadn't. The adrenalin was pumping. They gave us a good snort of brandy back on board.

I couldn't wait to get out when I was in, Now days I'd give my left nut to do it again. But knowing I was coming back alive would take most of the fun out of it!
BuildAbribe

West Covina, CA

#171604 Dec 18, 2012
Many Americans feel this was the same style of operations that Wal-Mart used to get so many stores built in the USA.. Will Wal-Mart be forever known as a stores a bribe can build?

So far Wal-Mart officials have refused to take ploygraph exams. The question is, did Wal-Mart use bribes to build USA stores?

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. says internal investigation into its Mexico subsidiary paid bribes to get stores built continues in Mexico.

The New York Times reports, 19 store sites across Mexico were the target of Wal-Mart bribes.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#171605 Dec 18, 2012
Mike DiRucci wrote:
<quoted text>
I never met a pilot who had just ejected into Indian country who was relaxed! Even if they'd done it before. Most hadn't. The adrenalin was pumping. They gave us a good snort of brandy back on board.
I couldn't wait to get out when I was in, Now days I'd give my left nut to do it again. But knowing I was coming back alive would take most of the fun out of it!
it is like that isnít it, it is more fun to remember than it was at the time.

It is a shame, I have stood in a place where every direction you looked was north, I have also stood in a place where every direction you looked was south.

I spent 3 months without ever seeing night, the sun would just circle the sky, dipping below the horizon briefly to come up again 10 min later.

I donít think I appreciated it at the time as much as I do remembering it.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#171606 Dec 18, 2012
Mike DiRucci wrote:
<quoted text>
I never met a pilot who had just ejected into Indian country who was relaxed! Even if they'd done it before. Most hadn't. The adrenalin was pumping. They gave us a good snort of brandy back on board.
I couldn't wait to get out when I was in, Now days I'd give my left nut to do it again. But knowing I was coming back alive would take most of the fun out of it!
Oh he didnít eject, these were choppers, they were going down, but semi controlled.

Engine or hydraulics hits I assume, I donít know

“Formerly Frankie Rizzo”

Since: Sep 12

Canarsie, NY

#171607 Dec 18, 2012
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I never did any of that kind of stuff myself, my second 3 years were spent on Yerba Buena Island which most people mistake and call Treasure island, it is the natural island on the bay bridge to San Francisco.
I was a firefighter, but scheduled on boat watch crews on duty days, usually pulled jumpers out of the water under the GG bridge. You could call it SAR, but they were always already dead, and we have to knock the sharks off of them before pulling them on board.
Most interesting story there was an inspection on a large sailboat. It was obviously overladen and the crew looked pretty scummy, so we took our longest hair and laid back looking guardsman, he pulled the shirt tails out of his pants and tried to look like he didnít give a crap and boarded them for a safety inspection.
He check thier life preservers and other small crap, gave them a certificate of passage and left.. he told us the boat was just packed to the gills with bales of what was obviously Marijuana, he said it was all over the deck.
The sailboat headed into Oakland and we informed the police and then backed them up with a 50 footer, I donít know if you have seen a Coast guard 50 footer but it will scare the pants off anything smaller, and some things quite a bit larger. A 50 footer will really move, they are designed to catch fast boats.
I wasnít on the 50, but was told there was a firefight on the docks with the Oakland police when they showed up, the cut loose ( just into the water ) with the twin 50 caliber machine guns behind the sailboat and they surrendered to the police.
The police told the boat captain that they would have surrendered too after hearing that.
I've spent time on Yerba Buena Island with it's spectacular SF city views but as a government geologist, not a squid.

Although I did pass through the T.I. brig for a few intense days in 1969! F**^%!@# Jarheads! "maggot this and maggot that". What jackasses!
Bribos

West Covina, CA

#171608 Dec 18, 2012
How many bribes does it tke to keep a foolish city council?

Just ask those in Glendora, California.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#171610 Dec 18, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
But, silly, I haven't claimed to be a muslim. Have you wondered why Gardnerian is my style, yet ? Have you figured out why I chose THAT particular discipline ? NO, you haven't......
Wow, you are dumb. I was making a hypothetical statement when I said, "It's like your claiming to be a Muslim, then saying in every other post that Muhammad was just another dude."

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#171612 Dec 18, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, in order to help you understand the big old world in which you live, let me explain that the question of marriage is not about a civil right at all.
Sorry, bigfoot, that's all it's about.
R Hudson wrote:
It is about the nature of reality and interpretations of reality that precede the law. Those who now argue that same-sex couples should be included, as a matter of civil right, within the legal definition of marriage are appealing to the constitutional principles of equal protection and equal treatment. But this is entirely inappropriate for making the case for same-sex "marriage." To argue that the Constitution guarantees equal treatment to all citizens, both men and women, does not say anything about what constitutes marriage, or a family, or a business enterprise, or a university, or a friendship.
WTF?
R Hudson wrote:
An appeal for equal treatment would certainly not lead a court to require that a small business enterprise be called a marriage just because two business partners prefer to think of their business that way.
So, were you sitting around thinking, "Hey, I can come up with something even stupider!" until you came up with that?
R Hudson wrote:
Nor would equal treatment of citizens before the law require a court to conclude that those of us who pray before the start of auto races should be allowed to redefine our auto clubs as churches.
And then you came up with that!
R Hudson wrote:
The simple fact is that the civil right of equal treatment cannot constitute social reality by declaration. Civil rights protections function simply to assure every citizen equal treatment under the law depending on what the material dispute in law is all about. Law that is just must begin by properly recognizing and distinguishing identities and differences in reality in order to be able to give each its legal due.
If someone wants to argue that two people who have not in the past been recognized as marriage partners should now be recognized as marriage partners, one must demonstrate that marriage law (not civil rights law) has overlooked or misidentified something that it should not have overlooked or misidentified. For thousands of years, marriage law has concerned itself with a particular kind of enduring bond between a man and a woman that includes sexual intercourseóthe kind of act that can (but does not always) lead to the woman's pregnancy. A homosexual relationship, regardless of how enduring it is as a bond of loving commitment, does not and cannot include sexual intercourse leading to pregnancy. Thus it is not marriage.
Those who choose to live together in life-long homosexual relationships; or brothers and sisters who live together and take care of one another; or two friends of the same sex who are not sexually involved but share life together in the same homeóall of these may be free to live as they do, and they suffer no civil rights discrimination by not being identified as marriages.
There is no civil rights discrimination against an eight-year-old youngster who is denied the right to enter into marriage. There is no civil rights discrimination being practiced against a youngster who is not allowed the identity of a college student because she is not qualified to enter college. There is no civil-rights discrimination involved when the law refuses to recognize my auto club as a church. A marriage and a homosexual relationship are two different kinds of relationships and it is a misuse of civil rights law to use that law to try to blot out the difference between two different kinds of things.
Zzzzz...
Oh, um, yeah...
Legally, marriage is a contract. Men and women should have equal rights when it comes to entering that contract.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#171613 Dec 18, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
If this happens, we will need to pay close attention to the consequences. Judges and public officials will then be required to recognize as a marriage any sexually Intimate bond between two people who want to call themselves married. Which means that there will no longer be any basis for distinguishing legally between a heterosexual union and a homosexual relationship. Which means henceforth that there will be no legal basis for restrictions against a homosexual couple obtaining children in any way they choose, for such restrictions would constitute discrimination...
Rose's Law: Morons with no real argument scream, "But what about the children!?"

Hate to break it to you, gay couples can already "obtain children" in any way they choose. Marriage is a separate issue.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#171614 Dec 18, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage.
And now SCOTUS will hear the case. How can they come to any other conclusion than Prop8 is discriminatory?
Since prop H8 is clearly discriminatory, seems their only way out would be to say it's not a Federal issue, or some such.

“Formerly Frankie Rizzo”

Since: Sep 12

Canarsie, NY

#171615 Dec 18, 2012
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh he didnít eject, these were choppers, they were going down, but semi controlled.
Engine or hydraulics hits I assume, I donít know
I've autorotated down in a Huey. Nothing to it. The pilot actually dives and picks up airspeed when close to the ground then uses that to set it down nice and soft. Gives you confidence in the future you're not going to fall out of the sky if you lose power. I'd actually prefer to land without power in a helo than a fixed wing.

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