Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#163640 Oct 17, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
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Thank you, Liam, damnit, half of me likes you.....you make sense half of the time.
I make sense ALL of the time, you just don't realize it yet...
:)

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#163641 Oct 17, 2012
akpilot wrote:
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This has nothing to do with religion, so come up with a rational argument.
Ah, but the argument against SSM is based entirely on religion. And while science fiction is not a religion (even if some fans think that it is a way of life...), SF does provide various conceptual visions of possible futures, including some very positive images that we all can and should work to bring into fruition.
RTPBS ers

La Puente, CA

#163642 Oct 17, 2012
Your mean to tell me BS stands for Blood Suckers?

What about RTPBS?

Republican Tea Party Blood Suckers..

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#163643 Oct 17, 2012
R Hudson wrote:
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An activist judge is one who operates with a bias, or a hidden agenda. And we all know there is a gay agenda, like forcing the majority of us to accept gay marriage. If it is natural, then so must murder and rape be natural, using your own "it exist, so it must be right" logic. Why do we punish murderers and rapists ? Because society, as a whole, has deemed it to be unacceptable to commit certain acts, moron. And if we do not have the right to set standards for ourselves, then why do we have prisons at all ? Answer that, idiot. Or did I go too fast ?
FAR more to the point, rape and murder actually cause HARM. Same sex marriage does not.

Do you need help understanding the difference between "consensual" and "unconsensual" actions?
Tata

Westminster, CA

#163644 Oct 17, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
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And what queer name would that be, Tata--I mean, Wilson,--I mean, Bruno...?
Besides, what's wrong with this queer name? At least it's not Mike DiRucci---That's a girls name!
I use my own names, not the names of others in this thread to post as their rivals. You are a troll
Tata

Westminster, CA

#163645 Oct 17, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Really? Monkeys have straight hair, thin lips, light skin and flat butts.
I've got kinky hair, BJ lips, copper skin, and while Sir-Mix-a-lot might not find me attractive, my butt is hardly flat.
What about you?
<quoted text>
Really? Monkeys have straight hair, thin lips, light skin and flat butts.
Again, stupid, it's a simple fact that racists lie you use "monkey" as a racist slur.
If the shoe fits wear it. No one besides you and the troll Rizzo will deny that there is a huge similarity between blacks and apes, gorillas, monkeys etc. the world knows it and you brought the entire identity issue up any way so STFU
RetardO

La Puente, CA

#163646 Oct 17, 2012
Never mind it wasn't important.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#163647 Oct 17, 2012
Tata aka boob wrote:
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If the shoe fits wear it. No one besides you and the troll Rizzo will deny that there is a huge similarity between blacks and apes, gorillas, monkeys etc. the world knows it and you brought the entire identity issue up any way so STFU
Boob, ALL people are apes, so to say there are similarities between black people and apes is well, pointless.
And what do black people and monkeys have in common again? The light skin? Straight hair? The thin lips? What about the flat butts?
"Monkey" is just a stupid racial slur used by morons like you.
And so is "ape", as all humans are apes. Using that term as a racial slur it like calling black people "mammals" as an insult.

So, why are fundies such racists? Didn't Jesus think enough of black people to die for us?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#163648 Oct 17, 2012
Frisbee wrote:
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Two presidents managed to find a different choice for 15 years (he gassed his people in 1988), until W decided they needed a lie because Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.
...
I can certainly agree with you that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, and leaving him in power would have kept Iraq as a secular nation not under the control of Islamic jihadists.
RetardO

La Puente, CA

#163649 Oct 17, 2012
Just can't hold your own today, can you?
Jose

Miami, FL

#163650 Oct 17, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Why are fundies such racists? and stupid, look at this pic...
http://www.rexwallpapers.com/wallpaper/Monkey...
Almost no lips. Straight hair, light skin, and where is the butt?
The Romans had the right idea, just too few lions.
I have to say that I "respect" them more when they stop hiding behind "Fiscal conservatism" "Obama is an illegal" and countless other BS and they just show what they are about.

The tea party made no secret what they were about when they first marched in Broward, Florida right after Obama was elected but over time the pros have taken over and polished it up.
Same people with same mind set but with polished rhetoric .

T-shirt at Romney rally says 'Put the white back in the White House'

http://now.msn.com/romney-supporter-t-shirt-s...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#163651 Oct 17, 2012
Frisbee wrote:
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Says the guy who thinks the Constitution doesn't Enumerate Rights.....
So we are back on this childish nonsense now that you had your a$$ handed to you with the discussion of the 14th Amendment.

Your feeble mind has failed you again. You are trying to hard to have that "gotcha" moment so you can get that gold star.

The design of the Constitution was to enumerate certain powers and provide a framework for our government. Through this framework the freedom and right's of the people would be preserved. In not ONE section of the original body of the Constitution will you find a SINGLE "right" outlined. Though one could split hairs in a vain attempt, which I sure you would, to prove me wrong that we do have the "right" to a Republican form of government as outlined in Article IV Sec 4.

In your attempt to gain brownie points you have taken my comments out of context. The previous discussion was in regards to the central purpose of the Constitution, which clearly was to enumerate powers- anyone who has studied the journal on the Constitutional Convention knows this- and claim that I stated there are NO right's outlined in the Constitution.

Now let me give you an education, lord knows you need one.

The original text of the Constitution as presented to the States for ratification did not enumerate a single right- yes we know about Article IV sec 4 we have been over it. During the ratification debates- notably Virginia and New York- issue was taken that the new constitution did not go far enough, and the Federal Government could overstep its enumerated powers treading on the right's of the citizens, as such they demanded a "Bill of Right's" to specifically protect those right's they held most dear. Madison advised against this, stating that doing so would undermine the entire document and lead Government to believe they had those powers all the time even though they lacked the enumeration of power in those areas. Madison's concern is the precise reason why we have the 9th and 10th Amendment.

So to say the Constitution is an enumeration of "right's" as you claim is patently false. If that were the case we would have very few "right's", in fact they would take up less than a page.

No go educate yourself so we can attempt to have an intelligent conversation.
Frank Rizzo

Alhambra, CA

#163652 Oct 17, 2012
Tata wrote:
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I use my own names, not the names of others in this thread to post as their rivals. You are a troll
[Psst....Bruno....Retarded Frank Rizzo's name isn't really Frank Rizzo....]
Edgar

Spring, TX

#163653 Oct 17, 2012
Jose wrote:
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I have to say that I "respect" them more when they stop hiding behind "Fiscal conservatism" "Obama is an illegal" and countless other BS and they just show what they are about.
The tea party made no secret what they were about when they first marched in Broward, Florida right after Obama was elected but over time the pros have taken over and polished it up.
Same people with same mind set but with polished rhetoric .
T-shirt at Romney rally says 'Put the white back in the White House'
http://now.msn.com/romney-supporter-t-shirt-s...
Conservative backlash: "it was probably a liberal plant dagihi;rgihegi;h"

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/right-wi...
Frank Rizzo

Alhambra, CA

#163654 Oct 17, 2012
Tata wrote:
<quoted text>
If the shoe fits wear it. No one besides you and the troll Rizzo will deny that there is a huge similarity between blacks and apes, gorillas, monkeys etc. the world knows it and you brought the entire identity issue up any way so STFU
Bruno...you little racist retard....There is as much similarity between blacks and gorillas as there is between irishmen and orangutans.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#163655 Oct 17, 2012
Frisbee wrote:
<quoted text>Don't bother. These two are FAR too stupid to read the document in question. They'll cling to whack-job blogger and not bother to read something as simple as the 9th amendment:
The ENUMERATION in the CONSTITUTION, of certain RIGHTS...
Yeah, Thomas Jefferson was a real idiot:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--"

Nope, don't see him say we were " endowed by our Constitution..."

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#163656 Oct 17, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
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So twelve-year-olds can vote?
A woman of 23 can become President?
Same-sex couples can marry?
Great! We are now the Everyone Has Rights To Everything And No Rules Apply States of America!
Argument over.
Boy, you people will just keep throwing sh%% at the wall until something sticks won't you?

There is no inalienable right to vote. Voting is a function of our government, thus it is subjected to laws and regulations.

Lesson 1: How to dumb down America
- Tell them everything is a "right"

The founders did not believe there was a "right" to vote, they restricted it far more than we do today.
RetardO

La Puente, CA

#163657 Oct 17, 2012
RetardO strikes again?

Ooops ANOTHER TYPO.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#163658 Oct 17, 2012
Mike DiRucci wrote:
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The Constitution does not give you rights. You are born with all your rights.
Frank Rizzo wrote:
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I guess you forgot about this little gem....
The Constitution doesn't give you rights, it is designed to protect the ones you were BORN WITH...

Seriously, did any of you get through the 4th grade?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#163659 Oct 17, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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Ah, but the argument against SSM is based entirely on religion. And while science fiction is not a religion (even if some fans think that it is a way of life...), SF does provide various conceptual visions of possible futures, including some very positive images that we all can and should work to bring into fruition.
Not once have I used religion as a point in this debate, so again:

This has nothing to do with religion, so come up with a rational argument.

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