The inconvenient 17-year pause in global warming

Sep 13, 2013 Full story: South China Morning Post 123

Howard Winn has been with the South China Morning Post for two and half years after previous stints as business editor and deputy editor of The Standard, and business editor of Asia Times.

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Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#102 Oct 4, 2013
Cut n paste wrote:
A perfect day on the shores of the Mississippi Ocean here in Minnesota!
Proof that AGW does NOT affect the weather.
We're having some wonderful weather, no thanks to Glowbull warming.
Daytime highs of around 30 C, not falling below 20 C at night, an Indian summer in Spain.
NobodyYouKnow

Toronto, Canada

#103 Oct 4, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>That figure is somewhere in the region of 2, 3 or 4% of natural emissions, take your pick.
No. That figure was for the heat energy retained per year from the enhanced greenhouse effect. It is rather dim anyway since most of the 'impressiveness' of bombs is in their explosive force, not their energy content. TNT has less energy per gram than sugar.

And the increase in GHGs in the atmosphere is from fossil fuel emissions. The flux of interchange to the sinks is not a relevant factoid. A google minus a google plus ten = ten.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#104 Oct 4, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>We're having some wonderful weather, no thanks to Glowbull warming.
Sure. Climate change hasn't been strong enough yet to affect the major 'Meditteranean Climate' of your area. So you think 'so far, so good' as you hurtle to disaster. Some people are just no capable of thinking ten minutes ahead. Mostly well to do scions of aristocratic families who can always move to the perfect climate and excluse the masses. I assume you have an exclusive enclave. Armed guards? 24/7 nursing?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#105 Oct 4, 2013
NobodyYouKnow wrote:
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No. That figure was for the heat energy retained per year from the enhanced greenhouse effect....
NO, read carefully. My numbers are based on a daily basis.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#106 Oct 4, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Sure. Climate change hasn't been strong enough yet to affect the major 'Meditteranean Climate' of your area. So you think 'so far, so good' as you hurtle to disaster. Some people are just no capable of thinking ten minutes ahead. Mostly well to do scions of aristocratic families who can always move to the perfect climate and excluse the masses. I assume you have an exclusive enclave. Armed guards? 24/7 nursing?
Actually, the area is all affected.

Q: do you reply to the poster from your town?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#107 Oct 6, 2013
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/B...

has some answers for Spain as well.
NobodyYouKnow

Toronto, Canada

#108 Oct 8, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>NO, read carefully. My numbers are based on a daily basis.
Oops. Ok. But explosives are not a good model for energy amounts. They have relatively little energy. It is the rate of release that is dramatic.
Jim

Pasadena, TX

#109 Oct 9, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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Infantile projection.
It's not faith when belief is based on overwhelming evidence.
LOL! Overwhelming evidence. Ah, you deniers are never going to admit the hoax are you? Evidence provided by shills paid for by the government which so intensely desires to profit from the hoax. Pathetic.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#110 Oct 10, 2013
Jim wrote:
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LOL! Overwhelming evidence. Ah, you deniers are never going to admit the hoax are you?
Ahh. The 'flaw' of honest and rational thought. Only a dishonest and irrational poster could complain about it.
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
Evidence provided by shills paid for by the government which so intensely desires to profit from the hoax. Pathetic.
The government never pays scientists directly (third party only) and the scientist organizations would NEVER stand for any interference. You have described the DENIAL camp, funded by industry which is unaccountable and led by idiots.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#111 Oct 10, 2013
which is unaccountable and led by idiots.

Hmm. Maybe there is some resemblance here between the REPUBLICANS and the denialists.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#112 Oct 10, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, the area is all affected.
Q: do you reply to the poster from your town?
Which posters?
Jim

Pasadena, TX

#113 Oct 11, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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The government never pays scientists directly (third party only) and the scientist organizations would NEVER stand for any interference. You have described the DENIAL camp, funded by industry which is unaccountable and led by idiots.
You couldn't be more wrong. You demonstrate your utter ignorance with your accountability statement. You see, industry is accountable every single day. They have to provide a product which the public wants. If they don't live up to expectations, well they go out of business. In other words, for the brainless morons out there, they are held accountable. But government and its paid shills. Well, it can't be that they're wrong. They will just raise taxes and throw more money at it. See the latest "forecast" about the hurricane season. In an effort to bolster the rabid claims of antropoglobalclmategenicwarmin gchange hoaxers, they spewed out a forecast of heavy activity. Funded by the government that wants it to provide that kind of forecast. And just think. These are the same people who want us to believe their idiocy about "Off the chart" temperatures in 2047. The pathetic fools can't even forecast 6 months of tropical activity. Yeah. Accountability. I am amazed every day at the gullibility of some really ignorant people.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#114 Oct 11, 2013
Jim wrote:
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You couldn't be more wrong. You demonstrate your utter ignorance with your accountability statement. You see, industry is accountable every single day. If they don't live up to expectations, well they go out of business.
Sure sure. Remember the 'tobacco scientists'. I suppose you think that they were 'government toadies'. The FACTS are that they were INDUSTRY scientists and exposed as frauds as soon as the independent scientists, funded at arms length by government, were able to do some studies.
Corporate scientists are dependent on the corporation and slant their studies to promote the ones that 'sell the corporate line' or improve sales to the unsuspecting public.
This level of complete stupidity on your part just strips any credibility you MIGHT have had.
Jim wrote:
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In other words, for the brainless morons out there, they are held accountable.
Only when the independent scientists, funded by various third parties, can get the money to prove that they are slanting their research. OPEN science, funded at arms length, gives you balanced facts. PRIVATE science, funded by the wealthy, gives you distorted science. As their motive is profits. Look at the fundamental biases in pharmaceutical research. ONLY the 'positive studies' get by management. And the result has been health risks for the public from CORPORATION researchers.
I cannot fathom how you got this delusional.
Jim wrote:
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But government and its paid shills. Well, it can't be that they're wrong. They will just raise taxes and throw more money at it.
I cannot answer for government. It is NOT science. And just like corporations, they are slanting things towards THEIR bottom line (elections and kickbacks).

Which is why the PUBLIC must demand a 'carbon surcharge' to put market forces to work on the serious problem, while preventing any 'private profiteering' by the elected representatives.
Jim wrote:
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See the latest "forecast" about the hurricane season. In an effort to bolster the rabid claims of antropoglobalclmategenicwarmin gchange hoaxers, they spewed out a forecast of heavy activity..
But the 'known factors' for hurricane activity ARE as stated and the forecast is based on REAL WORLD data. That there isn't YET a major storm season

1: Doesn't mean there won't be by the end.

2: Is part and parcel of year to year variability. We don't know EVERYTHING about it, yet. But Science is the way to find OUT about it.

3: Claiming that the forecast is an example of scientists distorting the facts is just stupid. They LOSE by making invalid 'forecasts' no matter WHO funds them. And make their careers if they can find out WHY it was delayed or milder this year. That is what drives SCIENCE.
Jim wrote:
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These are the same people who want us to believe their idiocy about "Off the chart" temperatures in 2047.
There is a LOT less uncertainty about AGW trends than there is about storm activity. Nobody will claim that hurricane prediction is 'a theory' but AGW is.
Jim wrote:
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The pathetic fools can't even forecast 6 months of tropical activity. Yeah. Accountability. I am amazed every day at the gullibility of some really ignorant people.
Your stupidity grows with each post. Why not quit while a few people not know?
Cut n Paste

Minneapolis, MN

#115 Oct 12, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Yes. A non-sequitur.
<quoted text>
ENSO you idiot. And ENSO was responsible for 'warming up' the air in 1998 (El-Nino), followed by reducing the slope in 2010 and 2012 (La-Nina). The issue is the transfer of heat from the oceans to the air. On AVERAGE it is stable, but ENSO can cause noise in the air temperature. And going from a noise PEAK in 1998 to a noise trough in 2011 is faulty. http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php...
CO2 is a major driver of AGW which increases and shift those differences so it CHANGES climate. Thus 'climate change'. Got it yet?
Cognitive dissonance is an amazing phenomenon.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#116 Oct 12, 2013
Cut n Paste wrote:
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Cognitive dissonance is an amazing phenomenon.
I bow to your expertise. Why do you have it? Do you know?

The way to avoid it is to grasp the science and stick with facts. Cognitive dissonance cannot be rooted in reality.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#117 Oct 12, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Which posters?
Hmmm LOL.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#118 Oct 12, 2013
NobodyYouKnow wrote:
<quoted text>
Oops. Ok. But explosives are not a good model for energy amounts. They have relatively little energy. It is the rate of release that is dramatic.
I disagree. Others would, too.
Jim

Pasadena, TX

#119 Oct 13, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree. Others would, too.
I disagree with your disagree. Others would too. I disagree with what I just disagreed with. Maybe we can all just agree to disagree? I disagree with faux climate scientists who disagree with agreeing with reality and instead agree with the models that all agree. All agreeing with their echo chamber. I think we can surely agree that there is no science in climate science. Maybe the ignorant will disagree.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#120 Oct 13, 2013
Jim wrote:
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I disagree with your disagree. Others would too. I disagree with what I just disagreed with... Maybe the ignorant will disagree.
Certainly, I agree .. you are ignorant.
Jim

Pasadena, TX

#121 Oct 13, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Certainly, I agree .. you are ignorant.
To quote a well known dimwit. Well, maybe well known is a bit of hyperbole. "I disagree. Others would, too."

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