Greenfield residents seek answers in SWAT raid death

Rita Serrato, mother of Rogelio Serrato, left, addresses the Greenfield City Council as Judy Morales translates Tuesday. Full Story
Way to go swat team

Monterey, CA

#24 Jan 12, 2011
Miss M wrote:
They did not go into the house before throwing anything inside, nor was there a CLEAR confirmation the suspect they were looking for was inside the house AT THE TIME SWAT ARRIVED, OBVIOUSlY, or none of this would've happened!!!! Im sooo soo sorry for the family's loss. Pursue Justice and TRUTH.
Dear Miss M,

Let's say you are a police officer charged with upholding the law.

You've been sent to a house with a warrant to search the home and question it's occupants.
(With me so far?)

You go to this house, knock on the door, requst that the occupants come out.

One does not.

(Still with me?)

Do you feel like going into the home of a potentially armed and dangerous gang member is a prudent idea?

Would YOU feel safe doing so?

Unless you, Miss M are a member of a gang (guessing this is true) you're not going to be welcome in that home, and it's highly likely that the s c u m b a g inside is intent on harming you if he doesn't come out in 90 minutes of making that request.

It's quite simple however all you racist Mexicans jump to the defense of this guy because he was Mexican. I'll go on record as saying that anyone who resists arrest in entitled to die for their stupidity.

If you're living in the United States of America, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAWS of the United States of America!
MexRealist

Monterey, CA

#26 Jan 12, 2011
See ya wrote:
Sorry but the world is much much better off with this pile of trash. I hope his family is as misrable as their son made so many others. Good riddens.
First of all please try and go out and get at least a 4th grade education and become literate enough to write before you decide to post on a newspaper's discussion board. Second, just what does a pile of trash mean? I have not read anywhere if he really was a gang member. Who are you saying he made miserable? The police said the warrants were for $15,000 and did not state what they were for so you don't really know. My condolences go out to the family.
Saying that though, the family's first question should be, "Why didn't he just come out when ordered? That would have prevented any of the other circumstances from happening and things would have been resolved peacefully. Personal accountability is what it all boils down to. Before anyone starts pointing fingers at other people, such as the police, they should look at the who caused the consequences, by their actions or lack there of. In this case it was Mr. Serrato, and unfortunately they led to his death.
Worthy1

AOL

#27 Jan 12, 2011
I Am sorry the family of this man had to go through this and even more sorry that he lost his life for acting stupidly. Let's not make a martyr out of him. He died plain and simply because he like the others in his realm thought he was above the law and did not have to comply with their orders. This is not surprising, as he was not a civic minded person of responsibility. He had no respect for the law or the rights of others, a long criminal record (If the paper is correct) and a history of violence. When a man beats up a woman, the woman who is the mother of his children, chances are he is not the wonderful neighbor,friend or son as portrayed by some. I agree there have been some pretty brutal blogs in here, but when you go on TV and other media proclaiming how worng this action was, you have opened the door. If he is your loved one, then you need to ask yourself, what did you do to help him? When the others left the house, did they attempt to get him to come out too? During the standoff did anyone try to talk reason with him other than the police? The blame lies with no one but Mr. Serrato. He refused to comply with the request of the police, if he had nothing to hide he would have. IF there were a mistake he could have cleared it up in a few minutes. He would have spent some time in jail for the warrants, but he would have been alive. There must have been a more compelling reason to stay in the house. Or is it that he didn't think anything would happen to him because he was used to having a safe haven in Greenfield. Maybe that is why the Greenfield Police were not let in on the forth coming actions? The City Council seems to coddle their crimials and that is great if you keep them in your town. But none-the-less, there are more people at blame for this death than the SWAT team, there is a family and community that gave him the impression he could commit crime without paying for it. It really does take a village to raise a child.
paul

Mill Valley, CA

#28 Jan 12, 2011
WHY wrote:
Where do people learn to disobey POLICE? Why didnt he come out when he had the opportunity with the other occupants? When we find out the 'how', we will be more informed.
He thought he was living in a sanctuary house
Welldoyapunk

Salinas, CA

#29 Jan 12, 2011
I guess many of us on this board, myself included, need to understand why this community in Greenfield, clearly made up of Mexican immigrants, is coming from.

Most of Mexico is a beautiful country with very decent people, a long and proud history. Mexico is also a poor country and much of it classified as 3rd world. Hence the reason to risk life and limb to come to the US. The culture is fearful of police who are mostly corrupt in Mexico and drug gangs that corrupt the police and the elected while spreading fear into the community. It's a cultural thing that made these people scream for justice. The sad truth is that many of them brought and support that same fearful, corrupt, gang culture here. The

American culture has its own shortcomings as it is made up of many immigrant cultures, however, the core of America is to seek out justice for all and to have laws and rules to serve and protect all. I agree that fairness is questioned and should be and will continue to be, but Justice is a double edge sword in America and if you are going to live here, work here, and seek justice here, then be prepared to follow the laws here. When the police tell you to come out of your house, car or trailer, you do it.
GLOBIX

Menlo Park, CA

#30 Jan 12, 2011
If he would have come out as ordered we would not be talking about this period.
Owl Eyes

Monterey, CA

#31 Jan 12, 2011
As a Mother, I feel Mrs. Serrato's pain for the lose of her son. No parent ever expects to outlive their child.

The question I do have though is did she know of his affiliation with his gang banging buddies? If she did then she is as much to blame for this mess as he is. She should have been putting her foot down when he was much younger and filling his day with activities that did not involve hanging with gangs. Parents are the examples and set the tone for the future of their children. Of course, a few of them slip through the cracks from time to time, but most seem to turn out alright.
Mr. Serrato had a choice to come out and be accountable for his prior warrants and he didn't. The SWAT team did their job. I hope that all parents take a lesson from this incident. It has nothing to do with what race you are. It has everything to do with raising children that will be accountable, proactive and productive in their communities as they step up to be our future leaders. I am praying that Mr. Serrato's children have a better male role model to look up to and a different lifestyle then their father chose. Maybe they will break the criminal cycle for their family and become all they can be, because they deserve that chance to be successful.
OnTheHorizon

San Jose, CA

#32 Jan 12, 2011
This is a tragic event for all involved. If only the man had dialed 911 and communicated with the police at the very least. As far as the police were concerned they thought an attempted murder suspect was in the house (attempted murder x 3).
The friends and cousins should comfort the grieving family. Focus on the good memories. Then later on they may want to direct some of their anger at the guy that shot the three people in Monterey as he goes through the legal process. If this shooting did not happen then the police wouldn't have been in Greenfield period.
Gordon Hopper

Salinas, CA

#33 Jan 12, 2011
Why all the uproar, He should have come out of the house with his hands up like you are supposed to when requested by law enforcement. What if the suspect came out of the house with a gun and shoot a law enforcement officer would the hispanic community all be out mourning the dead officer and his family, I think not. This outrage by hispanic community is just to support a lawsuit . The hispanic community community should be getting behind and supporting law enforcement to put an end to these senless killings and shootings by gangs. Until they do these shootings will go on forever.
PeeGee

Salinas, CA

#34 Jan 12, 2011
People who are here legally and illegally are getting fed up with this gang banger culture and those who support it. The fear is turning to anger. This is not Mexico and gangs are not going to rule the cities in America. More of this type of behavior will result in tougher immigration laws, crime laws, gun laws and more visits from SWAT teams in your community. If your kids, friends, family members, people next door are a gang banger, most likely you are too if you let it continue, if not then do something now about it before you have to bury them or visit them in jail. These people don't hide that membership and its not hard for the family and community to know who they are. They know.
So, Greenfield, take back your streets, community by calling these scum bags and those who support them out as that is where the justice begins and the pain stops. Justice starts with each of you in the place you call home.
Oldschool

San Diego, CA

#35 Jan 12, 2011
Purple83 wrote:
Easy for everyone here to comment on someone you did not know personally, people here are mistaking what the first article published was stating about THE shooter, stating HE was turning his life around as stated by one of his previous public defenders. Just a bunch of pigs here who dont have the common descency to see what really happend here, regardless of race, yes he was legal! and yes he might have had prior criminal offenses, no he did not come out of his home....all that is still being investigated and as soon as we all find out why, no one has the right to judge! Have some respect for the family. No one knows what one feels towards a situation that regards someone close to you or your family until it happends to YOU! People like you represent our central coast, pure dissapointment. Look at the woman in the photograph, his wheeping mother, you can see the pain in her soul. What if that was your mother........my condolences to the mother of Roger Serrato.......
If that was my mother she would be weeping and in horrible pain as well. But she would NOT be asking why it happened because from the time I was a baby she taught me right and wrong, respect for the law, and how actions bring consequences. This guy is hardly anyone's innocent victim and he had an hour's worth of opportunity to do the right thing and comply with the police. The fact is that he didn't want to face the music and forced their hand. He didn't even come out once his house caught fire! The police don't owe anyone an apology. I'm sure they feel badly too that this was the outcome, but they aren't responsible for the man's death- that was his choice. His actions resulted in this consequence, and that is a lesson that he might have learned long ago but obviously didn't.

As for all the community outrage, where do these people go to express their concerns when the next punk walks up and shoots another punk in the head on the street, or in a parked car, or on someone's front porch? The police are castigated for doing their damndest to take an armed and dangerous criminal off the streets, but somehow the community doesn't feel as threatened by their own commiting murder in the name of their colors?

This article and some of these responses define the root cause of this problem perfectly, and unfortunately it begins and ends with a lack of respect for a civilized society.
Lynn

Monterey, CA

#36 Jan 12, 2011
Miss M wrote:
They did not go into the house before throwing anything inside, nor was there a CLEAR confirmation the suspect they were looking for was inside the house AT THE TIME SWAT ARRIVED, OBVIOUSlY, or none of this would've happened!!!! Im sooo soo sorry for the family's loss. Pursue Justice and TRUTH.
The SWAT team followed procedure. They weren't willing to risk their safety entering a house where a known criminal was. Yes, criminal, the decedent had TWO warrants for his arrest. He had an HOUR to get out of the house & didn't. His girlfriend & kids left the house & were fine. HE chose to stay inside. He chose his path & now his family is having to mourn because of his poor decision making.
exMarine

Salinas, CA

#37 Jan 12, 2011
The SWAT ACTIONS WILL STAND as legal.
The questions remain:

"was he given a change to peacefully surrender?"

"did law enforcement give him reasonable time to surrender?"

"did law enforcement have any reason to doubt that an armed person or persons were in the house?"

"did they follow procedure?"

The whole thing was filmed and witnessed by not only the community but those who did come out of the same house (unharmed) and followed police instructions.

So I don't get the upset. What did everyone expect? Really?

Greenfield you and your city elected officials should be ashamed of this defensive behavior and no respect for the law and instead of asking for justice, you might want to ask for more SWAT teams to rid your town of the injustices those gang bangers bring. Greenfield is looking like a town of mostly illegals that doesn't care or doesn't know about following the laws.

Justice?
The graveyards are filling up with innocent children who are victims of this gang nonsense. They are the ones who deserve justice.
welldoyapunk

Salinas, CA

#39 Jan 12, 2011
After reading the posts so far on this board, I would say almost all disagree with the fine upstanding citizens of Greenfield who are blaming the SWAT team for killing the wrong man that couldn't follow law enforcement instructions to come out of the house.

Many here feel sorry for the loss to the family. Even though he had a abusive history towards some of those family members and had a couple of warrants out for his arrest, but he was still turning his life around, like by refusing to follow clear and timely instructions from police.

I think the residents of Greenfield should rethink the answers they want about so called "Justice" that they are seeking.
Mentally Challenged Libs

AOL

#40 Jan 12, 2011
General Patton wrote:
To bad the swat team didnt have the town meeting surrounded, couldve thrown a smoke bomb in the middle of it and took out another batch of CANS!!!!**** on Greenfield and any other town that thinks support of a criminal is a good thing........
Perhaps the Mexicans, the Mayor, and the City Council members are p/i/s/s/e/d because the SWAT team didn't give them a 24 hour advance notice they were coming into Greenfield to look for the Mucky Duck shooter and serve 2 outstanding warrants on the city's dearly beloved felon/woman beater "man of the year?

Evidently, they didn't have time to move Seratto to a safe house.

IMO, if the Greenfield Police Chief had arrested Seratto long ago for his outstanding warrants there would be no issue today as to why he refused to come out of the house.
Oops Wrong House

Anonymous Proxy

#42 Jan 12, 2011
The Mucky Duck murderer in Monterey was an outrage.
But, in Greenfield, lets see. Everyone including the police agree that the dead man "Serrato was not a suspect" in the Monterey Murder.
and that --
the police "tossed a "flash-bang" device into Serrato's family home just before the interior burst into flames."
And the house burning killed the man who was not a suspect.
That leaves a giant conclusion -- The police murdered an innocent man.
Do we want no limits on police use of deadly force to all the rest of use who are not suspects?
A little too late

Monterey, CA

#44 Jan 12, 2011
So where were all of these caring and sobbing family and friends when the cops were asking him to come out of the house? Why didn't they come forward then and convince him to come out? Woulda saved them all this pain and grief, not to mention his life. But then they wouldn't have their 15 seconds of fame, would they?
Salinas man

Salinas, CA

#45 Jan 12, 2011
First of all people need to ask themselves a lot of question before judging this person who died. How will you feel if that happen to one of your family member? Obviously something happen to this guy is common sense that anybody will come out. He probably had a stroke, was past out sleeping and reacted late in getting out, he probably was stuck, something happen. We don't know if he has a criminal background, he might be clean. I'm assuming all this people who are criticizing are all good citizens, but remember people nobody is perfect and soon or later there is a first time for everything, what I means soon or later someone of your family is going to die accidently and you will be blaming someone for it. Ok people I just want to know what is going to happen on this case. I hope SWAT has a good answer because if not they are going to sue them big time.
Oldschool

San Diego, CA

#46 Jan 12, 2011
Salinas man wrote:
First of all people need to ask themselves a lot of question before judging this person who died. How will you feel if that happen to one of your family member? Obviously something happen to this guy is common sense that anybody will come out. He probably had a stroke, was past out sleeping and reacted late in getting out, he probably was stuck, something happen. We don't know if he has a criminal background, he might be clean. I'm assuming all this people who are criticizing are all good citizens, but remember people nobody is perfect and soon or later there is a first time for everything, what I means soon or later someone of your family is going to die accidently and you will be blaming someone for it. Ok people I just want to know what is going to happen on this case. I hope SWAT has a good answer because if not they are going to sue them big time.
The guy had outstanding warrants. That was mentioned in the papers. He has a criminal background, also mentioned. He had other people (family members, gf?) in the house with him when SWAT showed up who left and I'm sure were taken into custody at least until the incident was over. I'm sure those people may have mentioned if he were sleeping or having a stroke. Or he was stuck? WTF?

And I just love your comment about family members dying sooner or later by accident. It happens all the time, and sometimes it's an accident where no one else is to blame, or should be blamed. In this case it was no accident, and the two people to blame were the Mucky Duck shooter and the deceased. The comments you see here, including mine, are based on the information the news has provided about the deceased, and how he happened to put himself in this position. Anyone would be sad if it were a family member or friend or acquaintance they cared about, but it doesn't change the fact that he could have avoided this by simply complying and walking out the door.

Go sue the stupid Gang-banger who started this whole mess if you really want to find the responsible party. Another coward with a gun and no concerns about who he kills with it. I have some sympathy for his loved ones who will miss him, but none for him. "Nobody's perfect" has been used to excuse poor behavior for way too long. Turn off Oprah and teach your kids to obey the law!
Holes

Monterey, CA

#47 Jan 12, 2011
Way to go swat team wrote:
<quoted text>
My mother would be ashamed of me too if I beat up women and resisted arrest.
the mother is just another enabler...it all starts in the aisles of Walmart.

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