Committee would oversee Montebello Hills development

There are 11 comments on the Dec 9, 2008, San Gabriel Valley Tribune story titled Committee would oversee Montebello Hills development. In it, San Gabriel Valley Tribune reports that:

The City Council may form an Ad Hoc Committee that will provide guidance in developing the Montebello Hills, officials said.

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“710 Dies a Graceful Death NOW”

Since: Dec 08

LA

#21 Dec 15, 2008
Montebelloans

"There will be blood" reminds people that the people involved in oil have one primary objective - make money and convince land owners that they are good guys.

Ask the residents of Inglewood Field (=Baldwin Hills), Salt Lake Field (=Fairfax and La Brea), and Beverly Field (Beverly Hills) about PXP and their various associates including CookHill Prop.

Now will the Non-Condo Owners of Montebello Hills own their mineral rights?? or will they be held by PXP unit operator???

Who will control/operate the lands??= PXP or its decendent or future acquirer?? Will the owner-occupants of the structures have the rights to bring suites against PXP or decendent operators?? Owner/Occupants probably will be required to sign waiver/liability exclusion clause.

Technically the key scene is one that talked about "drainage" where the oil and gas under Montebllo probably has come from properties which owned mineral rights but did not know their underlying resources were being SUCKED out by PXP and its filed ancestors.

Hopefully the fiery blow-out will not happen, but I saw and worked at the Ross Store explosion site in Farifax which finally was found to result from the overpressurizing of the secondary recovery field operations - field pressure exceeded the abandonment of wells. I have also seen others in the Fairfax area and heard of those in the SoCalGas Gas Storage Facility which is below PXP's oil zones.

Hope this helps

YankeeFlasher

“710 Dies a Graceful Death NOW”

Since: Dec 08

LA

#22 Dec 15, 2008
Thanks "Mel"

MEL - Where is the money to build these homes coming from?

YF - PXP needs the upgrading of the surface rights so that they can put the increases to their asset base as a publicly held company. They don't need to build a thing once they get the up-zoing in order to "make a profit".

YF - In the current market, their assets can be used to secure loans, once the up-zoning is done.

MEL - Is PXP going to fully fund this project or is the City of Montebello go to bring out a bond issue?

YF - Doubtful that PXP will pay for everything.

YF - Probably a "Homeowners Association" LLP will be formed, and "bonds" may be developed for a 20-40 year repayment through connection/use charges as many utilities, sidewalks, street-lighting, parks, etc. are done.

YF - Remember that the Montebello CRA is involved in this and can be used to front many of the "community facilities and services".

YF - Also remember that the Save-Hillers found that the SanGabValleyWaterCo had a strange DRAFT agreement which required PXP to pay for engineering and anything left over at the end of the year would go to the City???

Hope this helps??

YankeeFlasher

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#23 Dec 16, 2008
MTB MAN wrote:
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Hi how are the hills related to this movie?
The movie was based on the book 'Oil!' by Upton Sinclair. He wrote it after working undercover as a roustabout at several oil fields in Montebello and Signal Hill in the early 20th century. He was reportedly living in Pasadena at the time.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#24 Dec 16, 2008
Byron de Arakal wrote:
Since 42 yr North Mtb resident seems content to continue peddling disinformation about the types of housing we are planning for the Montebello Hills community (disinformation that's base entirely on speculation and not fact),let me provide some factual clarifications:
1. The Montebello Hills Specific Plan proposes both attached and detached single-family residences.
2. The attached residences we are planning will range from approximately 2700 to approximately 4000 square feet with 3 to 5 + bedrooms.
3. The attached residences will range from approximately 900 square feet to approximately 3000 square feet with 1 to 3 bedrooms.
4. The mix between attached and detached residences is anticipated to be about 50-50.
5. Should the project be approved by the City sometime in the first or second quarter of 2009, the first homes will be for sale in late 2011 to 2012.
6. We anticipate buildout of the proposed 1200 homes will require between 5 to 7 years, depending on market conditions.
Clearly, the Montebello Hills community is NOT a "1200 condo project" as the project's few opponents want to suggest. No Section 8 housing or apartments are in the plan.
7. Our fiscal analysis indicates the project will create an expansion of Montebello's property tax base of appromately $840 million, generate approximately $7 million a year in new property tax revenues at buildout, and an additional approximately $2.3 million a year in sales tax revenue. For a city that has lost more than a million dollars due to the state's current budget crisis, we believe these new revenues are significant and vital to Montebello's future.
More information about the Montebello Hills Community Plan is available at www.MontebelloHillsReserve.com .
Byron de Arakal
Director of Communications
Cook Hill Properties, LLC
Dear Mr. de Arakal:

Besides being in this blog, where has this alleged information ever been publicized? Where on the website can anyone find it? Has there finally been a much needed fourth major revision to it?

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#25 Dec 16, 2008
YankeeFlasher wrote:
Thanks Byron, Better than the NOP/Scoping Statement
Lets summarize -- Byron de Arakal, CHP gave the following [calcs by Ykflsr]
1. Montebello Hills Specific Plan proposes both attached and detached single-family residences.
4. Mixed attached/detached homes = about 50:50.
6. NOT "1200 condo project"
No Sec 8 housing or apartments in the plan.
2. Attached [sic =DETACHED?] homes,+/-2700 to 4000 sqft, 3-5+ BR [600du x 3300sqft = 2.0Msqft]
3. Attached [sic] residences -+/-900 to 3000 sqft, 1-3 bedrooms [600du x 2000sqft =1.2Msqft]
5. Approval -1st-2nd quarter, 2009; Sale in late 2011 to 2012.
6. Buildout, 1200 (600+600) homes 5-7 years
[=2019 finished]
7. Fiscal analysis
Increased Montebello's property tax base,$840M
[/1200 = aver $700K/unit]
[$840/3.2M sqft =$260/sqft including structure, infrastructure, and LAND; AVER (Range)Unit Costs -- 3300x$260=$860K($700K to $1.04M/unit, 2000x$260 =$520K($234 to $780K)/unit]
Increased $7M/year, property tax revenues at buildout [2019][/1200 = aver $5+K/unit/yr]
Increased $2.3M/year, sales tax revenue [2019][/1200 = aver $2K/yr]
I hope this give a bit more substance/quantified to the verbage.
By the way look at the annual household incomes of Montebello Residents (2008 median -say $46,000).
Who in Montebello can afford these? 90+%ile of the economic classes of Montebello, NOT the real people, south of Lincoln.
A Condo can be any unit, where the overall land, infrastructure, landscaping, etc. are commonly held rather than individually...therefore all attached and others could be condos rather than inidivudal owned and re-developable as the occupant requires.
YankeeFlasher
Thank you for the independent analysis, YF. Why a man who was the head of Parks and Rec in an Orange County city wants to destroy the last open space through development rather than make it into a much needed open space regional park is almost inexplicable. Almost. Federal, State, and County recommendations for open space parkland is 10 acres per thousand residents. Montebello has about 1.6. The proposed development actually has less, with 4.7 public acres for about 3000 - 4000 new residents.

Also, who in their right mind would shop in a city who has made it as difficult as possible to get there by constrictive, heavily trafficked access routes pointing mostly north? To me, the sales tax and other purchasing revenue are very speculative. The Rosemead Walmart is an easier drive, and finding parking at peak times at local markets is already problematic, without the 10,000 daily vehicle trips the proposed development is expected to generate at its completion.
Azusa girl

La Puente, CA

#26 Dec 16, 2008
Wouldn't this eliminate animal habitats? I know that Azusa has been building closer and closer to the mountains and are destroying many animal habitats and this sometimes brings coyotes and bears closer to residential homes.
Halkshaw

Bell, CA

#27 Dec 16, 2008
Under current State Law if the City Council allows them to build on a site that would cause people to get ill they are held personelly liables that is why LAUSD stoped construction on their school. They would have put the Board in jail. LLC will not protect them from that. When the Feds come in it over.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#28 Dec 17, 2008
Halkshaw wrote:
Under current State Law if the City Council allows them to build on a site that would cause people to get ill they are held personelly liables that is why LAUSD stoped construction on their school. They would have put the Board in jail. LLC will not protect them from that. When the Feds come in it over.
Unfortunately, the laws on producing oil fields are somewhat slanted towards the producers. The LA example is simaler only in that the ground was contaminated with oil debris. Under current law, Cook-Hill would be held responsible for about 10 years, and after that, the homeowner is on its own. Again, in the case of producing wells, no one is at fault if everyone knows about the wells. Look at Baldwin Hills: No matter how sick people get, PXP will still get to drill a thousand more wells next to one of the city's poorest neighborhoods. No suit for damages from illness has yet succeeded in that area.
32 yr mtb resident

AOL

#29 Mar 13, 2009
I welcome this project to Montebello, we need it!! I too live in the Montebello Hills and this entire idea is fantastic. Yes, there may be a little more traffic but the positive out far out weighs the negative. Montebello is centered close to everything, I mean everything. Freeways, downtown areas, hollywood, beaches, major shopping areas. I've got a sister that lives in Newport Coast, beautiful community. Now granted, Montebello is not steps away from the beach but I've got a fabulous view of downtown Los Angeles from by back yard, on a clear day you can see the Hollywood sign! If Mr. Arakal & Cook Hill Properties plan on bringing a little bit of the Newport Coast home designs to Montebello I support it 100%. Hell, I just might make a purchase. I'm all for change and I understand some people tend to hesitate or be frightened when they see it coming, it's expected. I do wish everyone involved in this project best of luck and I look forward to seeing all the plans under way. Good things.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#30 Mar 13, 2009
Well, this is what I would expect from a Johnny-come-lately (just kidding). Let's welcome this project, we need juvenile diabetes, heart disease, more smog, longer emergency response times with a corresponding increase in death rates and insurance premiums. Come on landslides, natural gas leaks causing homes to be abandoned, lawns that won't grow from chemicals bubbling up through the ground like Racquet Mountain I and especially II, hillside developments across the street from the proposed development. Bring on the Orange County style of hillside homes that burn so well. As a result of the Orange County hillside fires from last year, Montebello now has the distinction of having the densest population of the threatened California Gnatcatcher in the State, but let's bulldoze their nests so that the city council can have millions of dollars in their Redevelopment Agency slush fund for their friends like Telacu, Ostrom Chevrolet, Jimmies Restaurant. What a worthy and altruistic objective. You didn't think that property tax from this project was going to the general fund, did you? Forget it! No significant money from the property taxes will pay for potholes, tree trimming, graffiti cleanup, or things that the people of Montebello actually need. And you don't want the value of your home to actually increase as ALL home values do who are near new parks (what the people of Montebello want) do, did you? You would probably just waste the extra money you would get. Far better to have the value of your homes decrease when the hilltop condos are built, as homes near new condo projects ALWAYS do. That way you don't have the worry of what to do with extra money.

Oh yeah, this proposed project is just a peach!
Nimby

Alhambra, CA

#31 Mar 14, 2009
In a word, NO!

I can not get behind this development.

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