Proposed housing project in Montebell...

Proposed housing project in Montebello hills may be coming to a head

There are 68 comments on the Whittier Daily News story from Jul 2, 2013, titled Proposed housing project in Montebello hills may be coming to a head. In it, Whittier Daily News reports that:

FILE PHOTO: Oil pumps work in a remote location of the Montebello Hills over looking homes on Tuesday April 15, 2008.

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Raspberry Whine

Alhambra, CA

#42 Jul 15, 2013
Up or down vote wrote:
Then let the city continue to sink into oblivion like its neighboring cities to the south and east. It's all about the quality and education of the residents. Eventually north Montebello will look like the south and those who wanted nothing built in the hills will look back and know that they made a mistake.
People with elitist attitudes like this make district elections instead of at large elections so appealing.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#43 Jul 15, 2013
Besides being elitist, note the emotional appeal for the proposed condo project because there is no objectively verifiable financial analysis on which to base any support for the development.

All the supporters have left to work with whispers, dreams, and hopes because nearly all the verifiable facts are against the proposed development.

Like all the 53 or so Montebello resident supporters of this proposed project, none of the supporters here will touch neither the financial and health dangers inherent in this unique proposal nor the substandard nature of the proposed development itself.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#44 Jul 16, 2013
Professional Firefighters have a new name for developments like the proposed condo project that has come to light after the death of the 19 Firefighters in Arizona.

They call them 'Suicide Subdivisions.'

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/natio...

"Along with an extended drought and wild weather extremes, fire profilers have to take into account a new, explosive fuel type on the Western landscape: houses. By the Forest Service's reckoning, nearly one-third of the homes now built in the United States are on the fringe of settled areas, where timber and chaparral meet stucco and cul-de-sacs.

These houses in fire-prone zones are referred to by some fire professionals as SUICIDE SUBDIVISIONS (my capitals), and their popularity drives up the cost and complication of firefighting.

Not only are more and more Americans living in harm's way on the edges of development, but they also have caused about 85% of wildfires in the U.S. in the last decade."

The proposed development would be ringed by chaparral. The developer had the option to make the entire nature preserve on the eastern end of the development, but reportedly decided on the 'ring' approach to preclude retail commercial development along Montebello Blvd.

No opinions here, just facts and reports.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#45 Jul 16, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>
Sooooooo...
if the City of Montebello decides to rule against the developer by NOT approving their proposal then you would be okay with that because without the city's approval, it would be ILLEGAL for them to build their "high end housing development."
Or do you think that because the developer has pumped "so much money into the city" then the city should just roll over like a prostitute and let them have their way? PROSTITUTION is illegal and so is PAY FOR PLAY!!!!!!!
The city needs this development to concentrate its attention on the budget and make the hard choices the residents refuse to make.

The developer has invested thousands in this community to be able to build upscale homes and I find it offensive that you would compare them to prostitutes. You should apologize to the good people that have done nothing but help those who needed their help.

The landowners deserve to make money on their land legally, and I believe they would have a strong legal case against the city if the development were to be refused for trivial reasons.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#46 Jul 16, 2013
I hit the enter button before I added my comments to Montebello Businessperson's above posting on another thread that appeared to be in response to this comment.

This seems to be a tacit acknowledgement that the proposed development would financially devastate the city, and the outcome would force the city to make politically unpopular moves in regard to public safety.

Cities have had wide latitude to decide what to allow and what NOT to allow to be built inside their borders since the time of the founding fathers.

No one has the right to build what they want without the permission of the city's building codes, general plan, and city council.

THAT is the American Way.
trash talk

United States

#47 Jul 17, 2013
Montebello Businessperosn needs not SPAM these threads.

Reminds me of the Beatles "Can't Buy me Love"
YEAH
Up or down vote

Montebello, CA

#48 Jul 17, 2013
It is all about the class, or lack thereof, of the residents in much of the San Gabriel Valley. Montebello is a classic, no pun intended, example. Look who serves on the council? People like Art Barajas and Cristina Cortez are way above their heads. Amazing they understand much of what they have to vote on. They belong on a high school student club board. How they can be given the power to decide financial matters for the people of Montebello is beyond me. Yet, they are a reflection of the people of a city that is slowly becoming like Bell Gardens, Bell, Hunteington Park, etc. Sad commentary on a once proud municipality.
Theolona ranger

United States

#49 Jul 17, 2013
up and/or down vote wrote
" those who wanted nothing built in the hills will look back and know that they made a mistake. "

AS Spock observes "This does not compute"
Open space increases property values
Condos lower property values
IT really is just that simple
Unbelievable

Montebello, CA

#50 Jul 17, 2013
Open space neither spends money nor votes. It neither shops nor pays taxes. It really is just that simple yet the simple minds in Montebello find it so difficult to understand.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#51 Jul 18, 2013
Unbelievable wrote:
Open space neither spends money nor votes. It neither shops nor pays taxes. It really is just that simple yet the simple minds in Montebello find it so difficult to understand.
Open space parks always increase the value of existing single family homes.

http://www.americantrails.org/resources/econo...

"1. The economic impact parks and recreational areas have on home prices depends on how far the home is from the open space, the size of the open space and the characteristics of the surrounding neighborhood.
2. Open space in urban areas will increase the level of economic benefits to surrounding property owners more than open space in rural areas.
3. Open space, recreation areas and compact developments may provide fiscal benefits to municipal governments.
4. Compact, walkable developments can provide economic benefits to real estate developers through higher home sale prices, enhanced marketability and faster sales or leases than conventional development."

http://www.policylink.org/atf/cf/%7B97C6D565-...

"In Whittier (in southeastern Los Angeles County),
a coalition of nonprofit organizations and local
governments is partnering to reclaim former oil
fields to create a 3,000-acre open-space network
throughout the county."

I hope this helps to enlighten you.
Trash Talk

United States

#52 Jul 18, 2013
Unbelievable is
The Unbelievable poster is confusing the effect on the Voters- the property owners and their homes quality of life with the effect on Municipal finances.
Property tax on a condo project goes mostly to the State and county and certainly will not make a big difference to the City.
When residents homes property values fall- or do not increase as much as they would without a project the City (and State and County) could very well have less tax base and less revenue
and still have more expenses.
Rosemead and Monterey Park will get the bulk of sales tax revenue
And if the project is truly upscale trendy shoppers will go to a trendy upscale mall
Up or down vote

Montebello, CA

#53 Jul 18, 2013
Kudos to Unbelievable. About time someone with some sense speaks out for reality (and the good of Montebello).
Trash Talk

United States

#54 Jul 18, 2013
"someone with some sense"
evidently very little or you are a believer of the Unbelievable
Here is the reality
Development garners big bucks up front.
Politicians are rolling in dough
The take the one time baksheesh and commit the City to long term expensive programs.
Developer takes his money and runs back to Texas (or Newport beach)
One time developer fees are gone, politicians have moved on.
City is stuck with money loosing projects-
such as supporting condos.

I'll make you a deal
I'll give you $1000 today
You spend the money
5 years from now you pay me $100 a month forever
about time

Los Angeles, CA

#55 Jul 19, 2013
Trash Talk wrote:
Unbelievable is
The Unbelievable poster is confusing the effect on the Voters- the property owners and their homes quality of life with the effect on Municipal finances.
Property tax on a condo project goes mostly to the State and county and certainly will not make a big difference to the City.
When residents homes property values fall- or do not increase as much as they would without a project the City (and State and County) could very well have less tax base and less revenue
and still have more expenses.
Rosemead and Monterey Park will get the bulk of sales tax revenue
And if the project is truly upscale trendy shoppers will go to a trendy upscale mall
Speculation...
Same old speculation

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#56 Jul 19, 2013
about time wrote:
<quoted text>
Speculation...
Same old speculation
Not speculation, he is just condensing some of the old Fiscal Impact Analysis report supplied by the developer. Unlike condo supporters, he has read it.
Trash Talk

United States

#57 Jul 19, 2013
It's stood the test of time and is ir-refuted
condos cost more to service than they bring in
and
condos lower nearby single family homes property values
and
open space increases nearby single family homes property values and quality of life.
and
single family homeowners vote
and
single family voters have voted out or not elected all past supporters of this housing project.
The EIR and Specific plan are not available-
so it's not about time
developer is sandbagging till after then next election
about time

Los Angeles, CA

#58 Jul 19, 2013
Trash Talk wrote:
It's stood the test of time and is ir-refuted
condos cost more to service than they bring in
and
condos lower nearby single family homes property values
and
open space increases nearby single family homes property values and quality of life.
and
single family homeowners vote
and
single family voters have voted out or not elected all past supporters of this housing project.
The EIR and Specific plan are not available-
so it's not about time
developer is sandbagging till after then next election
You could be right but I never speak in absolutes like you lefties do.

So, I won't be assertive in saying people will or will not shop at the Costco or mall across the street.

That is such a ridiculous argument.

To assume that no additional sales tax revenue would come in is absurd.

As said before ... I'm not for either side but want so damn objectivity.
Wonder Why

San Marcos, CA

#59 Jul 19, 2013
Trash talk wrote:
"This is the Chamber of Commerce's stated opinion, too, but not usually stated so honestly."
BINGO
The same Chamber of Commerce that has repeatedly run paid Cook Hill propaganda as a "feature".
What I fail to see is what's in it for the chamber or for any individual members.
The false hope for a little more business for themselves at the expense of all the homeowners and taxpayers of the City.
Do you really think they will turn right and fight the traffic on Montebello Blvd rather than hop directly on the 60 freeway or go straight across to the new Monterey Park Marketplace?
You can see the condo "flippers" lining up
Talk of condo rentals.
One big "project"
One of the would-be developer's supporters let the cat out of the bag at a recent city council meeting in regard to what's in it for individual members of the chamber. He referred to "investors" who would buy up to ten housing units, then sell them at a profit. He wanted the city council to hurry up and approve the proposed project so these "investors" could make money. Could it be that developer supporters have been promised an inside track on condo flipping?
Wonder Why

San Marcos, CA

#60 Jul 19, 2013
Up or down vote wrote:
Kudos to Unbelievable. About time someone with some sense speaks out for reality (and the good of Montebello).
It's unbelievable that you seem to have forgotten that the last remaining open space Mpntebello Hills are an ACTIVE OIL FIELD. The oil company pumps 1800 barrels of oil a day from this field as well as natural gas. Don't you believe in the going price for a barrel of oil or gallon of gasoline at the gas station either? Should a dense housing tract be build ON TOP of this oil field it would only be a matter of time before the residents tire of the vibrations (induced seismicity from injection wells), cracked foundations of their homes, smells, noise etc that are part of living on an oil field. They'll lobby to restrict or shut down the oil and gas extraction and there goes the money the city gets from every barrel of oil produced.
theolona ranger

United States

#61 Jul 20, 2013
trash talk is gone for the weekend so he can't stop me from commenting that he is a hardly a "lefty" and is in fact a not right wing Republican.
I agree that there would be sales at Costco and the Mall however they would not be from "upscale" condo owners but from condo owners of similar socio economic demographics that Costco and the Mall are configured to serve.
see the "upscale section 8" how wonderful comment..
I agree that the PXP condo "ownership" is most similar to owning a trailer in a trailer park with the oil company retaining the "superior rights"

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