Montebello passes budget without ranc...

Montebello passes budget without rancor this year

There are 198 comments on the Whittier Daily News story from Jun 27, 2013, titled Montebello passes budget without rancor this year. In it, Whittier Daily News reports that:

A year ago, the City Council needed a long, raucous meeting to approve a budget.

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“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#145 Sep 29, 2013
Go County wrote:
About 125 more people in L.A. each year are killed by hit-and-run drivers, yet no effort is made by the Los Angeles Police Department, Police Chief Charlie Beck or the L.A. City Council to prevent hit-and-run deaths.
What could they do?
Slick

Norwalk, CA

#146 Sep 30, 2013
AAA says most hit and runs are by undocumented/ uninsured drivers.
Second biggest group are those with suspended/ revoked licenses.
Only about 15% of hit and runs are by documented/ insured drivers.
Get the undocumented and uninsured off the road.
A strict tow/ impound policy is a start.
Go County

Norwalk, CA

#147 Oct 2, 2013
http://www.laweekly.com/2013-08-08/news/lafd-...

Despite these fundamental changes, in Los Angeles the 3,100 city firefighters on the job want more money. They want more firefighters.
They seem busier than ever.

That's a problem, because total average compensation department wide in LAFD, including salaries, OT, health care and pensions, is $200,000 a year.

City firefighters are so well-compensated that they enjoy lives above L.A.'s middle class;
they can afford to live in distant, large suburban homes in Orange County and Santa Barbara,
often supporting four- and five-member families in which nobody else works.

"If you look at a firefighter's check, it is unbelievable and embarrassing how much money they're making," says a former top LAFD official. He refers to typical LAFD earnings, saying:
"$160,000? Are you fucking kidding me?"
Theolona Ranger

Norwalk, CA

#148 Oct 2, 2013
Here's another view
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/undisc...

Detroit’s municipal pension fund made payments for decades to:
retirees
active workers
and others
above and beyond normal benefits, costing the struggling city billions of dollars and helping push it into bankruptcy,
according to people who have reviewed the payments.

Sounds like Montebello and most other California Cities

Most of the trustees on Detroit’s two pension boards represent organized labor, and for years they could outvote anyone who challenged the payments.
Go County

Norwalk, CA

#149 Oct 2, 2013
Mission Creep at your Fire Department

Many firefighters rake in even more dough by maintaining dual careers or running companies, since many work half as many days as a typical American
— albeit 24-hour days,
with ambulance shifts that can be particularly grueling

(many others work four or five extra days to accrue OT).

A cynic might say that firefighters, and the powerful United Firefighters of L.A.,
are adding a lot of small, new duties to justify what once were very active, tougher jobs — fighting actual fires.
Go County

Norwalk, CA

#150 Oct 5, 2013
Firefighters crave fires — not just the adrenaline rush but performing this almost godlike skill, rushing into a burning building, effectively blind, with 70 to 100 pounds of equipment and gear pulling you down, to kill a fire.

They obsess over tactics, forever recall the "good" ones, the really hot ones.

"We don't have as many fires as we used to," Duffy says. "From a public point of view, that's good."
Go County

Norwalk, CA

#151 Oct 5, 2013
should be renamed the
"Los Angeles Fire and Rescue Department."

A cynic might say that firefighters, and the powerful United Firefighters of L.A., are adding a lot of small, new duties to justify what once were very active, tougher jobs — fighting actual fires.

A more charitable person might say that policies adopted decades ago, when LAFD hired its first paramedics and the city launched the 911 emergency call centers, have long since taken on lives of their own, growing wild on the vine.

"What we basically are is an emergency medical department," says David Fleming, a former president of the Los Angeles City Fire Commission. Fleming thinks LAFD should be renamed the "Los Angeles Fire and Rescue Department."
Go County

Norwalk, CA

#152 Oct 6, 2013
fire engines that each carry 500 gallons of water and gigantic hook-and-ladder trucks
those massive, rolling toolboxes that show up in neighborhoods, which were designed to battle fires.

The painful, honest truth — ducked by everyone at City Hall for about 20 years now —
is that half of LAFD's money-sucking vehicles,
on every shift,
and the men who sit on them,
are intended for an activity that comprises
just 2 percent of what's undertaken — firefighting.

These strangely job-mismatched trucks haul around about two-thirds of the city's job-mismatched firefighters, every shift.

The situation compares, neatly, to the U.S. military, large swaths of which are still prepared to fight a land war — with the old, nonexistent Soviet Union.

"Everything the fire department does revolves around seeing a problem, grabbing it by the throat, squeezing it as hard as possible until its head pops off,
calling the problem solved and moving on to the next one," says Jon McDuffie, a former LAFD public information officer who, clearly, isn't required to provide PR these days.

"They've never been good at getting out ahead of emerging issues," McDuffie adds.

"By nature, they're a response agency."
worth a read

Norwalk, CA

#153 Oct 6, 2013
Same problems and solutions as Montebello

http://www.sgvtribune.com/government-and-poli...
GO County

Norwalk, CA

#154 Oct 7, 2013
How realistic are Montobello response times.

It turned out that LAFD had been seriously exaggerating the speed of its 911 response for years, and under many chiefs before Cummings, including Millage Peaks and Douglas Barry.

"The department didn't know what it didn't know,"

says a former adviser to Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa. Moreover,

"The data were so bad, it actually didn't matter what numbers they were giving us."

Today, a year after the 911 response-time scandal, Cummings, a Villaraigosa hire who earns about $280,000 a year,
still can barely articulate a meaningful sentence about how LAFD's worsening response times were sold as fake successes.

"Since the system is always the way the system is," Cummings says,
"if we keep all those errors for 2011, and then the same errors in 2012,
and they were in there in 2009,
I think we can make gross comparisons between those, to see,
are we doing better or are we doing worse?"

Were times fudged during the station closure necessity to pressure the council?
GO County

Norwalk, CA

#155 Oct 7, 2013
the practice of intensely training as firefighters those who then will spend most of their time doing emergency medical work and shuttling people to hospitals,
at yearly total compensation of $187,000 —
on the low end — shows no sign of letting up.

And Frank Lima, president of United Firefighters of Los Angeles City, wants to hire even more firefighters. Maybe build more fire stations.

Create an even more massive red-and-white mobile health care system.

"The problem is," City Councilman Mitchell Englander says, "it's not sustainable."

It's NOT SUSTAINABLE IN MOPNTOBELLO EITHER
Trash Talk

Norwalk, CA

#156 Oct 8, 2013
Looks as if there is money to be saved by re-tasking the MFD
GoCounty

Monterey Park, CA

#157 Oct 31, 2013
lthough Miguel Santana can sound a bit like a bureaucratic drone, in private he is so thoughtful that you wonder how he became the top budget adviser to both the mayor and City Council.
He has incurred the wrath of many powerful city-employee unions in L.A., including firefighters, for making heretical suggestions — like privatizing services now handled by really well-paid City Hall employees.

"We're managing a mobile health clinic," Santana says of LAFD, sitting at a conference table in his office.
"So the question is, is that a city responsibility?
Our job should be to respond, to assess, to treat immediately.
But when does it become an emergency, and when does it become health care?"
Go County

Woodland Hills, CA

#158 Nov 6, 2013
Yes there is= Lot's of money to be saved

In 2011-12, LAFD's ambulance services collected more than $66 million,$10 million more than two years before.

But this massive ambulance service costs L.A. taxpayers far more than the city ever recovers.

The approach taken by L.A. County, San Jose, Denver and San Diego makes "a hell of a lot of sense" to budget expert and CityWatchLA blogger Jack Humphreville.

"Are the [private ambulance] people better trained? I doubt it. But I'm sure these private medical service people aren't chumps."

Who's stuck at the ER, soaking up "wall time" while the broken-finger crowd is getting booked by a nurse?
The inexpensive private emergency medical technicians are.

Not government firefighters who earn six figures.
somebody Has to Say It

San Gabriel, CA

#159 Nov 6, 2013
Trash Talk wrote:
Looks as if there is money to be saved by re-tasking the MFD
Don't be so easily misled. County fire is a bare-bones service that only looks good and looks cheaper at first glance.

Why do you think Montebello voted down County Fire twice and then passed an ordinance by a 2:1 margin to never transfer police or fire service to an outside entity without a 60% approval of the voters - instead of only the previous 3:2 vote of the City Council it took?

Monterey Park voted just a couple months ago to NOT GO COUNTY with their independent city Fire Dept. They also voted 2:1 to keep their own fire dept.

Do you suppose it's because Montebello, Monterey Park and others enjoy throwing money away, Or could it be they have read the fine print and seen how thin the county stretches your once local coverage Fire Dept, and how the county rate goes up quickly with a fixed percentage increase every year - the first few years the increase gets deferred, but then it hits as one big BALLOON PAYMENT..

"Mr. Go County," go peddle your stuff somewhere else. Some of us read the last county proposal to Montebello and thought it stunk.
Trash talk

Woodland Hills, CA

#160 Nov 6, 2013
Go County appears to be a name designed to get attention and it evidently got yours.
He's just quoting an article

I think his point is that MFD has a big chunk of the city budget and needs to be reformed
Money is needed elsewhere

"In 2011-12, LAFD's ambulance services collected more than $66 million,$10 million more than two years before. But this massive ambulance service costs L.A. taxpayers far more than the city ever recovers.

"The approach taken by L.A. County, San Jose, Denver and San Diego makes "a hell of a lot of sense" to budget expert and CityWatchLA blogger Jack Humphreville.

"Are the [private ambulance] people better trained? I doubt it. But I'm sure these private medical service people aren't chumps."

Who's stuck at the ER, soaking up "wall time" while the broken-finger crowd is getting booked by a nurse? The inexpensive private emergency medical technicians are.

There is a link to the article somewhere- read it and post back
Not government firefighters who earn six figures."
Wonder why

Los Angeles, CA

#161 Nov 6, 2013
Trash talk wrote:
Go County appears to be a name designed to get attention and it evidently got yours.
He's just quoting an article
I think his point is that MFD has a big chunk of the city budget and needs to be reformed
Money is needed elsewhere
"In 2011-12, LAFD's ambulance services collected more than $66 million,$10 million more than two years before. But this massive ambulance service costs L.A. taxpayers far more than the city ever recovers.
"The approach taken by L.A. County, San Jose, Denver and San Diego makes "a hell of a lot of sense" to budget expert and CityWatchLA blogger Jack Humphreville.
"Are the [private ambulance] people better trained? I doubt it. But I'm sure these private medical service people aren't chumps."
Who's stuck at the ER, soaking up "wall time" while the broken-finger crowd is getting booked by a nurse? The inexpensive private emergency medical technicians are.
There is a link to the article somewhere- read it and post back
Not government firefighters who earn six figures."
How much help would the private ambulance service be when we have the next fire in the Montebello Hills? In the July 9, 2012 Montebello Oilfield Fire it took fourteen fire departments and two L.A. County water dropping helicopters to put out the fire on a day when there was next to no wind. When the Southern San Andreas fault breaks, and seismologists tell us that earthquake is overdue, the other thirteen fire departments will be busy in their own communities. It's fortunate that there aren't a lot of major fires now. However that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be prepared for when one does occur. It's prudent for Montebello to maintain its own fire department.
Trash talk

Woodland Hills, CA

#162 Nov 6, 2013
I found a link to Go county's Article
www.laweekly.com/2013-08-08/news/lafd-ambulan...
Mission Creep at the L.A. Fire Department
The LAFD has become a huge mobile health clinic. And that's simply unsustainable

now to read it
I did take a look at the Montebello Police Department POST Management study
worth a read
Hee hee

Los Angeles, CA

#163 Nov 6, 2013
Now that the Cortez candidates have taken a bath in defeat, perhaps she too will take notice that her days are short. People like her are not meant to represent the citizens of any city no matter how low class they are. If she is smart she will fade into the sunset and give someone else an opportunity to lead Montebello. She has failed and her type of politics are not wanted here.
Trash talk

Woodland Hills, CA

#164 Nov 6, 2013
Wonder Why asks
"How much help would the private ambulance service be when we have the next fire in the Montebello Hills?"

Is this rhetorical?
MFD can't handle any major blaze without Mutual Aid.

The water system will be AWOL if an earthquake.
and Mutual aid will be busy elsewhere.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/montebello-ca...

Keeping MFD is a given
I supported going County but the voters expressed their civic pride not financial their acumen,
Pension reform anyone?
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/montebello-ca...

Let's talk about allocation of resources and reforming/ reinventing MPD.

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