general plan for montebello

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#101 Sep 3, 2013
Ridiculous wrote:
The Montebello hill's project takes little of staff's time so don't be fooled here kiddies. Most of the time is devoted to daily duties..
If you had made the PRAs that others have to get all the thousands of phone records, emails, meeting records, pages of documents read, evaluated, replied to, by the staff from 2006 - 2013, then you would not cling to the naive belief that this proposed project is not a drain on staff time.

The thousands of hours these documents show wasted in this costly (to the city and its residents), dangerous, and wildly unpopular proposed condo project by nearly the entire development staff stand as a great sinkhole that has engulfed much of Montebello's future development plans.

Anyone is able to duplicate these PRAs with the city, but be ready to spend many hundreds of $$$(at $.25 per page) to get the facts others have already dug up.
montebello resident

South San Francisco, CA

#102 Sep 3, 2013
Trash talk wrote:
Molinari has never been a position to make anything happen or stop any bad thing like Ostrom, Sevacherian, dial a ride, Jimmy's, Daily Brew, Helms and Hill. The Taylor Ranch, Hilton, etc
from happening
What he did do was buy some property along Whittier at fire sale/ BK prices.
I agree with
Cook Hill will play (spelling?) with anyone to count to three.
Cook hill is currently the biggest risk to the city's future.
Agree on County fire however - so what- the people want to keep their own FD, home of workmen's comp claims and overtime abuse.
Monterey Park has moved foreword but you see how far Frank got with his suggestion to GO COUNTY, impose a Utility tax, etc.
Political suicide
Glasman can count-
Council is trying to finesse and buy time leaving all problems to a future generation who will move out of Montebello.
Are there any innovative ways to bring in development for South Montebello and Whittier blvd?
There is only one place to cut.
Christina (and her handler Robles) is the key to those cuts as was Kathy Salazar before her.
If Christina would write of her first term as a learning experience, cut all ties with Robles, Ku, Billie,FD and PD she could go places.
Speaking of going places, Where is Frank going?
Straightforward Larry Salazar would have been a good choice compared to whatever is running this time.
I'd have to agree . I have always found Larry Salazar to be honest and straightforward . Sometimes I don't agree with what he has said but he is cut from a different cloth
montebello resident

South San Francisco, CA

#103 Sep 3, 2013
Trash talk wrote:
Molinari has never been a position to make anything happen or stop any bad thing like Ostrom, Sevacherian, dial a ride, Jimmy's, Daily Brew, Helms and Hill. The Taylor Ranch, Hilton, etc
from happening
What he did do was buy some property along Whittier at fire sale/ BK prices.
I agree with
Cook Hill will play (spelling?) with anyone to count to three.
Cook hill is currently the biggest risk to the city's future.
Agree on County fire however - so what- the people want to keep their own FD, home of workmen's comp claims and overtime abuse.
Monterey Park has moved foreword but you see how far Frank got with his suggestion to GO COUNTY, impose a Utility tax, etc.
Political suicide
Glasman can count-
Council is trying to finesse and buy time leaving all problems to a future generation who will move out of Montebello.
Are there any innovative ways to bring in development for South Montebello and Whittier blvd?
There is only one place to cut.
Christina (and her handler Robles) is the key to those cuts as was Kathy Salazar before her.
If Christina would write of her first term as a learning experience, cut all ties with Robles, Ku, Billie,FD and PD she could go places.
Speaking of going places, Where is Frank going?
Straightforward Larry Salazar would have been a good choice compared to whatever is running this time.
COUNTY FIRE IS THE WAY TO GO!
What a forward thinking idea! Wow!

This should have been done years ago
Theolona Ranger

Irvine, CA

#104 Sep 3, 2013
Do not get caught up in the word SHOULD.
It's too academic- ask Frank.
The VOTERS do not want to go County, or a Utility tax or a condos looking down on them in the hills.
POLITICAL SUICIDE
City would have to go BK or the firefighters go on strike to wake the City up enough to GO County
Remember the young firefighters want to Go County to protect their benefits.
The older out of shape guys would not qualify. They do not want to Go County, just retire on some disability scam. There are still Cox leftovers who SHOULD have been fired long ago in a perfect world. Now they are short timers counting the days till the can retire and suck blood from the City forever.
If I was a young public safety employee I would be raising hell to get the City to get up to date on it's CalPers contributions.
Look at the San Bernardino Example- CalPers contributions suspended.
They do not care what else is cut as long as they get theirs.
Reality

Montebello, CA

#105 Sep 3, 2013
Molinari cut deals long ago with Glasman and Atina. He made his bucks while on the council. Very unethical man. Cook Hill is just playing smart businessman. The city is strapped for cash. Few other options to make money in this deteriorating city. Gomez posed the best plan yet: county fire, cut in services, strategic plan. No one bit. Politics first in this city. He is the smart one (and a class act) to leave than lower himself to the level of these morons.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#106 Sep 3, 2013
Reality wrote:
Molinari cut deals long ago with Glasman and Atina. He made his bucks while on the council. Very unethical man. Cook Hill is just playing smart businessman. The city is strapped for cash. Few other options to make money in this deteriorating city. Gomez posed the best plan yet: county fire, cut in services, strategic plan. No one bit. Politics first in this city. He is the smart one (and a class act) to leave than lower himself to the level of these morons.
If this proposed development would make the city money, why can't the developer's own current (but now out of date) Fiscal Impact Analysis of the project, WITH redevelopment tax benefits (that no longer exist) show the city making money? It is right now on the city's website, and on the page showing the only SURE income from the proposed condos, property taxes, the city would have a structural annual budget deficit from the project from between about $140,000 a year (if the condos sell for an AVERAGE price of $720,000), to a yearly budget deficit of about $1,000,000 at current condo prices (extrapolated).

For the city to make money like the developer claims, every man, woman and child would each probably have to spend thousands of dollars inside the city limits at sales tax generating businesses. That excludes most health care, grocery, and other misc. purchases.

Basically, every family would just about have to buy a car from any Montebello car lot every month for the rest of their lives for the city to get what the would-be developer claims.

The developer may have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale, too, if you are interested.
Theolona Ranger

Irvine, CA

#107 Sep 3, 2013
Who made the bucks on the Ostrom and Savercherian deals?
You think Bill could cut a deal all by himself?
IT TAKES THREE
The city has barely adequate cash flow (as long as some current bills are deferred) and its getting better (as long as no one calls the loans)(Hilton, etc.)
Tare getting a fat interest accruals, their costs are covered the deferral is the gravy and they would loose in BK, so just sit back and let the debt pile up.
Million Dollar a year drains- holding the city back
Hilton, Ostrom, Illegal overtime, what else?

TRAN turns out to have been unnecessary and will not happen again.
CalPers created their own problem so screw them.
They took a short period of High earnings and said-look at all the extra cash give everyone a raise in their pensions, these earnings assumptions will go on FOREVER. Then interest rates tanked and the actuarial surplus vaporized. Citys are stuck with the payouts which are not covered by earnings, so CalPers comes calling for extra contributions.
CalPers also gets into questionable "investments"
Makes Rosie look like an amateur.
So how does the city finance the balloon payment?
If Freeport McMoran was smart they would cut Cook Hill loose, donate the land (surface), avoid the cleanup and liability.
There is nothing in this project for shareholders, only for old PXP insiders, Montebello would be paying the bills long after Cook Hill has ridden into the sunset, sorta like the unsustainable pension problem.
Anonymous

Alhambra, CA

#108 Sep 4, 2013
montebello resident wrote:
<quoted text>
COUNTY FIRE IS THE WAY TO GO!
What a forward thinking idea! Wow!
This should have been done years ago
Montebello can't "go county" without voter approval.

http://www.smartvoter.org/2009/11/03/ca/la/me...

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#109 Sep 4, 2013
Sevacharian not in general plan.
Ostrom not in general plan.
County fire not in general plan.
Condos in the Hills not in general plan.

Modern general plan needed to guide Montebello's reaidents into the future.
Trash Talk

Irvine, CA

#110 Sep 4, 2013
OK I'll try and stay on topic

"Modern general plan is needed to guide Montebello's residents and developers and new business into the future.

AS part of a General Plan or separate Montebello needs a Hillside development Plan/ code/ ordnance/ guidelines.
Both LA City and County have examples.
Take a Look at the Los Gatos website for an example.
Hills would be in general plan but I do not see the vast majority of the public wants a change from Agriculture/ Oil Production/ Open Space.

The Specific Plan end run should be put on the back burner till the City Wide Plan is done.
Then see how it fits in or at least the developer would have guidance.
Trash Talk

Irvine, CA

#111 Sep 4, 2013
Montebello needs a "Community Services District" to regulate Oil Field Operations.

One reason why

SACRAMENTO—Senate Bill 4, a bill intended to increase disclosure on fracking in California,
cleared the Assembly Appropriations Committee today.
The bill emerged WITHOUT needed
changes to ensure that the PUBLIC would have ACCESS to essential information about fracking
fluids.

The bill contains a section that would incorporate into state law a specific recognition of
trade secret protections for fracking fluids, and establish a process to block public access to
information about quantities and volumes of the highly toxic fluid used in “advanced” oil and
gas extraction techniques.

Sierra Club and a number of other groups have pressed the author to remove the so-called
“Halliburton Hush Clause” from the bill.

Sierra Club California Director Kathryn Phillips released the following statement:
“It’s disappointing that an otherwise positive bill that would make some improvements in
fracking regulation would continue to be seriously compromised by a section that does just the
opposite of the purported disclosure intent of the bill.
The hush clause is a barrier to independent
assessment of fracking’s health and environmental impacts.

“That this is the best the legislature could do on fracking just underscores how powerful
the oil industry is within the Capitol."

Californians deserve and need certainty that fracking is not harming our water, air and
land.

It’s clear that we won’t get that certainty until there’s a moratorium in the state on this
dangerous practice.”

TT adds
Of course calling the practice dangerous when the information is not available is sorta purring the cart before the horse but the point is- Does Montebello want the information so the Council and voters can make their own informed decisions.
Ridiculous

Los Angeles, CA

#112 Sep 4, 2013
Aren't we all tired of hearing 42 yr North Mtb resident stating the same old gibberish regarding the hills? The guy is fixated with the hills. There is more to the city than the hills.
Trash Talk

Irvine, CA

#113 Sep 4, 2013
And this is the General Plan thread
Last thing 42 wrote was a suggestion to stay on topic
Why does that put a burr under your saddle?
Why keep trying to divert readers into personalities.
42 usually states facts from public documents.
He's a valuable resource quite apart from his well-founded position on the hills.
Ask him a question and you will get a straight answer,
Post up your plans for the city

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#114 Sep 4, 2013
As mostly what I have done is stated the would-be developer's own inconvenient written statements about the proposed Hill project, calling it gibberish is not to flattering to the proposed condo development.

The reason that condomaniacs recoil from doing a new General Plan BEFORE considering any specific plan is that this specific plan would never be justifiable by any modern criteria.

Mixed-use developments are the wave of the future, and that is what will be needed to revitalize Montebello, NOT old-fashioned substandard high density buy-and-flip condos built in what professional firefighters call 'Suicide Subdivisions.'

Modern urban planning has no place for giant renter projects with 10,000 additional vehicle trips a day, unnecessarily using up gas, water, time, and the city's money.

Look to reitalized areas in local older cities that were little more than urban blight 40 years ago. The mixed use areas of 'old Pasadena' and South Pasadena have boosted those city's earnings, quality of life, and earned them kudos for their modern urban revitalization.

Montebello needs to cover over the sinkhole condo project that has drained this city's redevelopment efforts and look to what works: Mixed-Use. Not suicide subdivisions.

Wonder Why

AOL

#115 Sep 5, 2013
Montebello needs to recognize the last remaining open space Montebello Hills for what they are: an Active Oil and Natural Gas Field which produces revenue for the city and is correctly zoned in regard to its agricultural/industrial category. Its additional R1 designation should be changed to "open space". This is not a safe location for any residential development, let alone a high density largely condo project which would be surrounded by flammable coastal sage. Its amazing how persons who think they can benefit economically from such a development can put aside any concerns for the health and safety of any future residents. Remember the old saying; Denial is not a river in Egypt.
Renewables

Ventura, CA

#116 Sep 7, 2013
The City of Palo Alto’s municipal electric utility has a goal of purchasing only 100% carbon-free electricity -- and a comprehensive suite of renewable energy initiatives to achieve it.

The utility has a robust rooftop solar program, a feed-in tariff for local wholesale generation, and just signed contracts for a total of 80 MW of solar at the mind-blowingly low rate of 6.9 cents/kWh over 30 year terms.
As a result, the city is on track to reach 48% renewables by 2017, and at costs that are on par with business-as-usual fossil generation.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#117 Sep 7, 2013
Renewables wrote:
The City of Palo Alto’s municipal electric utility has a goal of purchasing only 100% carbon-free electricity -- and a comprehensive suite of renewable energy initiatives to achieve it.
The utility has a robust rooftop solar program, a feed-in tariff for local wholesale generation, and just signed contracts for a total of 80 MW of solar at the mind-blowingly low rate of 6.9 cents/kWh over 30 year terms.
As a result, the city is on track to reach 48% renewables by 2017, and at costs that are on par with business-as-usual fossil generation.
Renewable and low-carbon energy alternatives are something else that a modern General Plan would address, if the two current development employees didn't have to spend so much time addressing the proposed Suicide Subdivision Condo Project.
Blah blah blah

Montebello, CA

#118 Sep 7, 2013
Same old gibberish from 42 yr North Mtb resident. How does he know employees are not working on more than just the hills project? All conjecture. How RIDICULOUS!
The Phantom Knows

Ventura, CA

#119 Sep 7, 2013
What Evil lurks in the heart of man?
42 year North Mtb resident Knows.
Besides taking an inordinate amount of time Cook Hill is unreliable about paying their bills- putting a real crimp on the city's cash flow.
The City frequently has to stop work on the project due to the shortage of funds.
Of course the very few employees are working on more than one project at the same time.
Multitasking.
Not getting anything much done on planning or general plan.
Public Safety gets most of the money.
Is Monebello getting what it is paying for?
What is Ridiculous is the blah's off topic ranting.
No facts
just trying to shoot the messenger
Wonder why

Los Angeles, CA

#120 Sep 7, 2013
Blah blah blah wrote:
Same old gibberish from 42 yr North Mtb resident. How does he know employees are not working on more than just the hills project? All conjecture. How RIDICULOUS!
City employees of course are Trying to work on other projects. However the ongoing pressure from the would-be developer of the hills and their Chamber of Commerce allies ( most of who don't even live in the city) represent a chronic drain of time and resources from the small number of city staff. The history of this proposed project is that the technical and other reports submitted by the would-be developer cannot be trusted. They end up having to be altered, redone etc. At one time the Cook-Hill (would-be developer) staff and city staff were meeting Every Week. Add it up, that's a chronic use (overuse) of city staff time and resources.

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