Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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(for a particularly sobering analysis of the evangelical ideology and how it does not encourage peace in the middle east....)

On the Road to Armageddon
How evangelicals became Israel's best friend.

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/...

"....Millions of Americans believe that the Bible predicts the future and that we are living in the last days. Their beliefs are rooted in dispensationalism, a particular way of understanding the Bible's prophetic passages, especially those in Daniel and Ezekiel in the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation in the New Testament.

They make up about one-third of America's 40 or 50 million evangelical Christians and believe that the nation of Israel will play a central role in the unfolding of end-times events. In the last part of the 20th century, dispensationalist evangelicals become Israel's best friends-an alliance that has made a serious geopolitical difference..."
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Calling me names accomplishes nothing other than showing how weak for mental skills are
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I posted one news report where they DID reject the aid.
Jesus loves YOU, Frijoles.
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Yes and we also know you are willfully ignorant about most subjects regarding your religion
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I dont hate evangelicals as people, just their views.
Most Christian folk I know are not pushy and do not endorse pushy people.
The evangelicals as a NATIONAL political force here in America have greatly diminished over the years. They couldn't even coalesce as to find a candidate for president. Obama's victory is testamount to their weak position among the rest of the Christians at large. Maybe "hate" is a bit strong to characterize the attitude of the more moderate Christians towards their loony brethren, but lets face it, the moderates of the Christians voted with their feet and reelected Obama, contrary to the messages coming from the evangelical camp.
Jesus loves YOU dear, Frijoles. Why not serve Him today?

Oh, you can try answering my questions and explain the quotes.

Much love from Jesus and Jamaica. In other words much love from JJ.
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It was just a pop in and so take care. I am off to listen to some love music, oldies of course.

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Jesus loves YOU, Frijoles.
So does Donald Duck and Big Bird

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Jesus loves YOU dear, Frijoles. Why not serve Him today?
Oh, you can try answering my questions and explain the quotes.
Much love from Jesus and Jamaica. In other words much love from JJ.
Act like your Jesus

and btw I answered your questions. If you want more than that, kiss my ....

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Jesus loves YOU, Frijoles.
and Homer Simpson loves YOU, Hughbe.
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Jesus loves YOU, Frijoles.
Love is a "Two way street" Hugh Be, never ONE WAY.

Think about it.
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So,

Not knowing much about Israel, I stumbled on a webpage that speaks to it.

http://jcpa.org/dje/articles2/meaning.htm

So, with some 20 million Jews spread throughout the world (before I get fact checked, I'm only guesstimating based on what the article above talks about). Give or take 10 million. What is the reason for needing the state of Israel to exist? Jews are a people right? What's special about the specific area that Israel was founded on? Jesus? What's the spread of people in Israel? Is it primarily Jews or are there others as well like the melting pot of peeps that we have here. So, what is the special interest that we have in Israel? What are the resources or strategic location that makes us spend piles of money and political capital on this tiny waring country? I continue to wonder what it is that these people are fighting over?

What's the interest. Beans said there are many reasons a while back, but was not specific as to the real reasons. Countries tend to war for natural resources. There is very little else to war over. Dead people don't seem to matter as south of us, the "War on Drugs" has claimed some 50,000ish lives in 4ish yrs. Of course, down there we control cheap labor, natural resources and politicians along with drugs (kinda count as a natural resource). So, what have we in Israel that matters so much? Why not just let Israel war like mad people with the A-Rabs?

These are all just wonderings and not downs on Israel. I just don't get it.
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Ans.
I appreciate your desire that you want to sit in the feet of jesus and listen to his words and thoughts.
These are very noble thoughts, but unfortunately you will never get the chance.
Because the original words and thoughts of Jesus have been superimposed by Paul and his followers and you can hardly listen to "real jesus" in any existing Gospel.
You can get some idea of what jesus taught and spoke by going thru the Gospel of Barnabas, which preserves some of his true teachings.
And if you want to find the truth, then why not follow Jesus' advice and "Look" for the Comforter whom Jesus promised (as mentioned in Gospel of John Ch 14 thru Ch 16).
Do you know who was that comforter?
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Ghost /Spirit
These 3 agree, and are one

God the Father sent God the Son, who made a "way ",for sinfilled man to enter the Fathers House.

Those who accept this free gift, are comforted by Gods sweet Holy sprit-the comforter.

Gods Holy Spirit = The Comforter.
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Clear wrote:
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God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Ghost /Spirit
These 3 agree, and are one
God the Father sent God the Son, who made a "way ",for sinfilled man to enter the Fathers House.
Those who accept this free gift, are comforted by Gods sweet Holy sprit-the comforter.
Gods Holy Spirit = The Comforter.
What you wrote though sound like English is not English? It is Gibberish and makes no sense.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, that part is clear.

But when you say these three are one, goes out of English language.

How can these three become one?

Comforter is not the "Holy Ghost" but the "Spirit of Truth" and Jesus said "He will guide you into all truth".

I did not see "Holy Ghost" leading these hundreds of thousands of Churches and Denominations into "All Truth". It is leading them into diffeernt directions and all of them claim "Holy Ghost" inside them.

Which one of these sects and denominations are lead by the "Holy Ghost"?

CAn you tell us?

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Yes brother Hugh Be. if there were no "lying lips" in the world, it would already had become a paradise.
One of the "greatest gifts" that people would get in paradise is that they will not hear any lies or vain talks!!
Like your nonsense about posting about your vain prophet and all his using his sword to "exectute people" nonsense? What is Paradise to you, Muq-Ass? You personally made a great deal of pointing out how your pitiful little prophet worked overtime and be-headed, molested, and made sure he was the only game in town, especially when it came to the Arabian Penninsula, and worked over-time to kill the Jews of the Baun'i-Khariza and the Bunnu-ka-Nuka. What is your idea of Paradise, as you envision it, Muq? You ot one, or you just some jack-ass screamin "Moo-Hammed!" as you drift alon in life?
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What you wrote though sound like English is not English? It is Gibberish and makes no sense.
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, that part is clear.
But when you say these three are one, goes out of English language.
How can these three become one?
Comforter is not the "Holy Ghost" but the "Spirit of Truth" and Jesus said "He will guide you into all truth".
I did not see "Holy Ghost" leading these hundreds of thousands of Churches and Denominations into "All Truth". It is leading them into diffeernt directions and all of them claim "Holy Ghost" inside them.
Which one of these sects and denominations are lead by the "Holy Ghost"?
CAn you tell us?
You are very much correct when you say many different denominations.
This also means that not all of those are correct.
So which 1 are ones are correct?

The 1 or ones that put their faith and trust in God and not a man.

Many speak of the Grace of God, but turn around and use many different ways on how someone must earn this grace.

Gods Holy Word MUST be taken as a whole, and MUST be trusted as inspired by God.

Anyone can use the Word of God, and "fit" IT to their mold.

Satan attacked the Word of God from the start, and he has never stopped.
he also attacks our languages.

It is my opinion, that very few preach a true gospel of God.

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idgaf wrote:
So,
Not knowing much about Israel, I stumbled on a webpage that speaks to it.
http://jcpa.org/dje/articles2/meaning.htm
So, with some 20 million Jews spread throughout the world (before I get fact checked, I'm only guesstimating based on what the article above talks about). Give or take 10 million. What is the reason for needing the state of Israel to exist? Jews are a people right? What's special about the specific area that Israel was founded on? Jesus? What's the spread of people in Israel? Is it primarily Jews or are there others as well like the melting pot of peeps that we have here. So, what is the special interest that we have in Israel? What are the resources or strategic location that makes us spend piles of money and political capital on this tiny waring country? I continue to wonder what it is that these people are fighting over?
What's the interest. Beans said there are many reasons a while back, but was not specific as to the real reasons. Countries tend to war for natural resources. There is very little else to war over. Dead people don't seem to matter as south of us, the "War on Drugs" has claimed some 50,000ish lives in 4ish yrs. Of course, down there we control cheap labor, natural resources and politicians along with drugs (kinda count as a natural resource). So, what have we in Israel that matters so much? Why not just let Israel war like mad people with the A-Rabs?
These are all just wonderings and not downs on Israel. I just don't get it.
Where do they make people that are sooo incredibly stupid and short-sighted.
And daft enough to write it down, at that!
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Israels main function is as neutral turf for 5 continents to talk, do business a.s.o. when they have to do business, because westernized is of more importance than all religion.
And it has no ban tourist or ban jews, no-welcome mats.

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idgaf wrote:
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What's the interest. Beans said there are many reasons a while back, but was not specific as to the real reasons.
Its the only democracy in the middle east, and therefore our only stable ally in the region.

That is the main reason why the US should support Israel. Period.

There are many internal reasons within the Jewish people for the existence of Israel (historically it is the homeland) but the reason above is the primary reason for America at large.

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Where do they make people that are sooo incredibly stupid and short-sighted.
And daft enough to write it down, at that!
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Israels main function is as neutral turf for 5 continents to talk, do business a.s.o. when they have to do business, because westernized is of more importance than all religion.
And it has no ban tourist or ban jews, no-welcome mats.
IN other words, it is a western country in a region that lacks civilization.

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Love is a "Two way street" Hugh Be, never ONE WAY.
Think about it.
In Hughbes case, its not even a ONE WAY street. Hughbe's rants reveal an unmitigated torrent of rage. He cant even get the love thing right.

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idgaf wrote:
So,
What are the resources or strategic location that makes us spend piles of money and political capital on this tiny waring country?
Relatively speaking, we dont actually spend as much money as you might think. In recent years, a lot of the nonmilitary aid has been diminished (by the Israelis themselves who didnt want to be perpetually beholden). Much of the military aid is a result of treaty obligations stemming back from the Camp David Accords (Egypts as well).

We spend almost NO international political capital on this nation. If Israel ceased to exist we STILL would have crazy terrorists attacking our country. That has been clear. And if you look at the European nations that in recent years have been more tepid than us in support, there has been NO decrease of terrorism to them as a result, rather an increase.

THis from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93U...

"...Israel is the largest total recipient of direct economic and military assistance from the United States since World War II, and it was the largest annual recipient from 1976 to 2003. Since the Iraq War began in 2003, Iraq has overtaken Israel as the largest annual recipient of U.S. aid.[4][5]

A major purchaser and user of U.S. military equipment, Israel is also involved in the joint development of military technology and regularly engages in joint military exercises involving United States and other forces.[2][3].."

So
1)Israel hasnt been the largest recipient since 2003
2)Its NOT unidirectional

So whats your gripe?


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idgaf wrote:
So,

These are all just wonderings and not downs on Israel. I just don't get it.
You want NUTS, dont look at Israel, look at Turkey

Turkey slams Syria's inaction over 'Israeli strike'

Ankara's FM says his country will not stand by when a Muslim country is attacked; wonders why Assad 'didnít even throw a pebble at Israel'
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-434...

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1. so here is a NATO country daring Syria to attack Israel...

2. the same country that just this month accepted Patriot Missiles to defend itself against Syria....

3. basically making the argument that its ok for Syria to kill 25,000 of its own muslim citizens, but it is NOT ok for an outside non muslim country to surgically attack a weapons convey transporting weapons and perhaps WMDs out of the country to terrorists....

And you are wondering who are the allies of America and who are the troublemakers?

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idgaf wrote:
So,
Not knowing much about Israel, I stumbled on a webpage that speaks to it.
http://jcpa.org/dje/articles2/meaning.htm
So, with some 20 million Jews spread throughout the world (before I get fact checked, I'm only guesstimating based on what the article above talks about). Give or take 10 million. What is the reason for needing the state of Israel to exist? Jews are a people right? What's special about the specific area that Israel was founded on? Jesus? What's the spread of people in Israel? Is it primarily Jews or are there others as well like the melting pot of peeps that we have here. So, what is the special interest that we have in Israel? What are the resources or strategic location that makes us spend piles of money and political capital on this tiny waring country? I continue to wonder what it is that these people are fighting over?
What's the interest. Beans said there are many reasons a while back, but was not specific as to the real reasons. Countries tend to war for natural resources. There is very little else to war over. Dead people don't seem to matter as south of us, the "War on Drugs" has claimed some 50,000ish lives in 4ish yrs. Of course, down there we control cheap labor, natural resources and politicians along with drugs (kinda count as a natural resource). So, what have we in Israel that matters so much? Why not just let Israel war like mad people with the A-Rabs?
These are all just wonderings and not downs on Israel. I just don't get it.
Here is the official US response to your question

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pd...

In November 2011, Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs Andrew J. Shapiro publicly reaffirmed the Obama Administrationís commitment to preserving Israelís aid and QME.
In his remarks, he stated:

But today, in these budget constrained timesósome are now asking the question why should we keep providing aid to Israel? Yes, Israel is a long time democratic ally and we share a
special bondóbut some skeptics are questioning whether thatís enough of a reason to continue to spend hard earned American tax payer dollars on Israelís security.

I can answer that skepticism directlyówe donít just support Israel because of a long standing bond, we support Israel because it is in our national interests to do so.

This aspect of our relationship with Israel is often overlooked.

Americaís commitment to Israelís security and prosperity
has extended over many decades because our leaders on both sides of the aisle have long understood that a robust United States-Israel security relationship is in our interests. Our
support for Israelís security helps preserve peace and stability in the region. If Israel were weaker, its enemies would be bolder. This would make broader conflict more likely, which would be catastrophic to American interests in the region.

It is the very strength of Israelís military which deters potential aggressors and helps foster peace and stability.

Ensuring Israelís military strength and its superiority in the region is therefore critical to regional stability and as a result is fundamentally a core interest of the United States.

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