Molly Bish Body Parts

Disgusted wrote:

Get a life you sick bastard! I know the Bish's very well and people like you are a disgrace to this world. You probably killed her, you seem to know an awful lot more than you should.

If you know Molly Bish's parents well, then ask them why, in autumn 2002, when Molly Bish's bathing suit was first discovered by Ricky Boudreau, a series of collect phone calls from the prisoner phones at the Worcester County House of Correction were received at the home phone of an ex-priest convicted of raping two girls. And then, apparently in turn, a series of phone calls were made from the home phone of the rapist to a leading member of a search and rescue team endorsed by Molly Bish's parents.

These phone calls took place at the same time as Molly Bish's bathing suit was first discovered. Doesn't anyone have some questions about this? Doesn't anyone wonder why a child rapist is calling the home phone of a leading member of a search and rescue team strongly endorsed by Mr. and Mrs. Bish? And why the apparently corresponding calls from the prisoner phones at the jail to the home phone of the rapist?

This is something that police should be looking at but I think they are being misdirected in their investigation.

It certainly looks like District Attorneys Joe Early, Jr. and Elizabeth Scheibel do not want to properly investigate the disappearances and presumed murders of Molly Bish and Maura Murray. If they were truly interested in uncovering the truth, they would re-assess the role played by John Regan in the Lindsay Ferguson case in Saratoga Springs, New York.

If you know the Bish family and if you support them, then bring these phone calls to their attention. Or even better, call the Massachusetts State Police and DA Joe Early, Jr.'s office and ask why so much information about the Bish and Murray cases is deliberately ignored.

Check out the Topix Amherst MA thread about whether UMass Researchers killed Maura Murray.

Beagle

Advanced Cell Technology (ACT) did not receive enough eggs from Ann Kiessling, nor apparently from any other source, to yield a single cloned human embryo. Yet ACT did announce in autumn 2001 that the Worcester biotechnology company had cloned a human embryo. Where did the rest of the eggs, which made such a success possible, come from? District Attorneys Joe Early, Jr. and Elizabeth Scheibel have failed to address the possibility that Molly Bish and Maura Murray may have been abducted because of the (at least perceived) value of their body parts, especially their eggs and/or ovaries.

Beagle

It is indisputable that eggs for stem cell research were hard to find in June 2000. Molly Bish would have been a perfect target. Prestley Blake, 60 percent donor to the Molly Bish Reward Fund, had a most siginficant and substantial business relationship with a company, Freeze Holdings (aka Sun Capital), which was the owner of a stem cell research company called Stemcells, Inc.

Why is someone with such a very close relationship to a stem cell research company donating 60 percent of the money for the Molly Bish Reward Fund at a time when Molly Bish's eggs would have been considered a highly sought after prize? Did the money really come from Blake or was he merely the conduit for the donation - in order to conceal the interest of a stem cell research company?

I believe that there is an excellent chance that Molly Bish was kidnapped for the purpose of harvesting some of her body parts, especially her ovaries and the eggs they contained. She was the perfect candidate. District Attorney Joe Early, Jr and District Attorney Elizabeth Scheibel are dragging their feet on this investigation because they too close to the people and companies that may have benefitted from Molly Bish's presumed abduction and murder.

Beagle

Sorry, I meant to write, in the last paragraph of the above post...

I believe that there is an excellent chance that Molly Bish was kidnapped for the purpose of harvesting some of her body parts, especially her ovaries and the eggs they contained. She was a perfect candidate. District Attorney Joe Early, Jr and District Attorney Elizabeth Scheibel (in the very possibly related case of Maura Murray) are dragging their feet on this investigation because they too close to the people and companies that may have benefitted from Molly Bish's presumed abduction and murder.

Beagle

Massachusetts State Police
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District Attorney Joe Early, Jr.

What about the phone calls made from the prisoner phones at Worcester County House of Correction to the child rapist who, apparently in turn, called the home phone of a leading member of the search and rescue team endorsed by John Bish and Magi Bish? And is it just coincidental that this endorsement was recorded on video by Limulus Productions, itself a reference to regenerative medicine?

What about the RV style vehicle that was driving the roads of central and western Massachusetts in the year 2000 looking for egg donors? It has already been established that there was a shortage of eggs available for the then current embryonic stem cell research (ESCR) being conducted in nearby Worcester.

It has already been established that ESCR - in the Worcester area - was under intense financial pressure to produce a cloned human emybryo.

What about the money donated, ostensibly, by Prestley Blake to the Molly Bish Reward Fund? Hasn't Blake been, on a corporate level, very close to a company called Stemcells, Inc., which disavows the use of embryonic stem cells exclusively in favor of adult stem cells?

How can you say that the lure of millions of dollars from the sale of Molly Bish's eggs was not as significant a motivating factor as the compulsion of an abductor that you cannot find after NINE years?

To solve the Molly Bish case, Massachusetts State Police and District Attorney Joe Early, Jr's office are using brains that are decades behind the science of genetics and assisted reproduction.

If the Massachusetts State Police were diligent about this case, they would re-interview John Regan and ask him if he had any connection to a business located near Saratoga Springs High School. Why does it appear that someone closely connected to this business near Saratoga Springs High School was at Molly Bish's funeral? Was
Regan planning on taking Lindsay Ferguson to this business location in order to tranfer her to another vehicle? Was there a connection between his choice of Lindsay Ferguson and her presumed use of vitamins? Did Regan or his possible handler believe that Lindsay Ferguson had some quality that was attractive to medicine or biotechnology?

Beagle

BELOW FROM SLATE (ONLINE MAGAZINE)

PART 1

http://www.slate.com/toolbar.aspx ...

The regeneration of lost body parts has just moved from science fiction to U.S. military policy.

Yesterday the Department of Defense announced the creation of the Armed Forces Institute of Regenerative Medicine, which will go by the happy acronym AFIRM. According to DOD's news service, AFIRM will "harness stem cell research and technology … to reconstruct new skin, muscles and tendons, and even ears, noses and fingers." The government is budgeting $250 million in public and private money for the project's first five years. NIH and three universities will be on the team.

The people who brought you the Internet are about to bring you replacement fingers.

If you've been following Human Nature for the past three years, you know that tissue regeneration is well underway. The military has been working on regrowing lost body parts using extracellular matrices. Scientists in labs have grown blood vessels, livers, bladders, breast implants, and meat. This year they announced the production of beating, disembodied rat hearts. At yesterday's press conference, Army Surgeon General Eric Schoomaker explained that our bodies systematically generate liver cells and bone marrow and that this ability can be redirected through "the right kind of stimulation."

Now that the regeneration fantasy is becoming real, it's worth pausing to notice how we're absorbing it culturally. This is extremely freaky stuff. Just a few days ago, my wife and I were explaining to our 5-year-old daughter that she needs to take good care of her adult teeth because they're the last real teeth she'll ever have.

That's just not true anymore. It's not true of her fingers and toes, either. And why stop there? Schoomaker points out that salamanders can regenerate whole limbs. He asks: "Why can't a mammal do the same thing?"

Beagle

BELOW FROM SLATE (ONLINE MAGAZINE)

http://www.slate.com/toolbar.aspx ...

The regeneration of lost body parts has just moved from science fiction to U.S. military policy.

Yesterday the Department of Defense announced the creation of the Armed Forces Institute of Regenerative Medicine, which will go by the happy acronym AFIRM. According to DOD's news service, AFIRM will "harness stem cell research and technology … to reconstruct new skin, muscles and tendons, and even ears, noses and fingers." The government is budgeting $250 million in public and private money for the project's first five years. NIH and three universities will be on the team.

The people who brought you the Internet are about to bring you replacement fingers.

If you've been following Human Nature for the past three years, you know that tissue regeneration is well underway. The military has been working on regrowing lost body parts using extracellular matrices. Scientists in labs have grown blood vessels, livers, bladders, breast implants, and meat. This year they announced the production of beating, disembodied rat hearts. At yesterday's press conference, Army Surgeon General Eric Schoomaker explained that our bodies systematically generate liver cells and bone marrow and that this ability can be redirected through "the right kind of stimulation."

Now that the regeneration fantasy is becoming real, it's worth pausing to notice how we're absorbing it culturally. This is extremely freaky stuff. Just a few days ago, my wife and I were explaining to our 5-year-old daughter that she needs to take good care of her adult teeth because they're the last real teeth she'll ever have.

That's just not true anymore. It's not true of her fingers and toes, either. And why stop there? Schoomaker points out that salamanders can regenerate whole limbs. He asks: "Why can't a mammal do the same thing?"

lafko

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

First of all "Genius", if your story was true, the body would have been taken to this "company" with their billions of dollars and disposed of there and not in the local woods.

Secondly, if they are offering millions of dollars for eggs and body parts there are people willing to do it legally with deceased family members. Not to mention volunteers who would gladly take money for their eggs.

Get a life you clueless jerk.

Beagle

lafko wrote:

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.
First of all "Genius", if your story was true, the body would have been taken to this "company" with their billions of dollars and disposed of there and not in the local woods.
Secondly, if they are offering millions of dollars for eggs and body parts there are people willing to do it legally with deceased family members. Not to mention volunteers who would gladly take money for their eggs.
Get a life you clueless jerk.

No one is saying that Molly Bish was necessarily taken to a "company with their billions of dollars." (Incidentally, these companies were not capitalized to nearly that extent.) Her ovaries, which were, as a matter of established fact, worth millions of dollars, could have been harvested and a reckless attempt may have been made to peddle their contents (oocytes) to the back doors of certain companies that desperately needed them.

It has already been totally established, as a fact of biotechnology history, that the roughly 75 eggs provided through the efforts of Ann Keissling of Harvard to ACT, for example, were insufficient. Not a single cloned embryo developed from the use of these eggs. All of these eggs were donated by volunteers who were relatively older women, who already had children, and who were paid substantially below the market value for their donations.

Also, In Vitro Fertilization (IVF) clinics have, for several years, been paying as much as $100,000 to highly qualified and desireable donors for a harvest of merely 10-15 eggs. It would not be at all surprising to find that private offers well in excess of $100,000 have been made for many years now by wealthy couples who wish to obtain the best genes money can buy.

It is a fact that thousands of young women just like Molly Bish and Maura Murray are walking around with a medical (or biotech) commodity worth millions of dollars in their bellies - eggs. Genes. DNA. It can be purchased legally in small amounts or stolen outright in large amounts worth millions of dollars.

lafko

It's a shame you are allowed to get away with these posts.

Your theory can be dismantled by a 6 year old...

1. How do you suppose your alleged "company" chose their killer and -- amazingly found a serial killer that had not been arrested for serial murders?
2. Why would this company risk being caught and trusting the guy wouldn't get caught -- and losing their money as opposed to hiring a professional.
3. Come on dude, the nearby woods for disposal? Per your alleged scenario, a contractor wouldn't take the risk of going local. Your theory puts the ball in his court and even the stupidest person would be smart enough to ask for a secure drop location. And why not, since they wanted parts, eggs and whaever other insane scenario you are bs'ing aboout, it would be normal for such an alleged company to have bio waste etc., and no one would be picking through it.
4. "Her ovaries were worth millions." And this company confidentially called to let you know this personally? You can not say for a medical fact that her ovaries were healthy.
5. Look dude, there's some less hurful conspiracy theories for you to spend your time. How about John Lennon, Elvis and heck, I bet you could even find some info on Michael Jackson with all those brain cells you have there. By the way... I hear there are companies paying MILLIONS for brain cells so watch your back.

Beagle

Assuming she was healthy, Molly Bish's ovaries would have contained very approximately 100,000 eggs at the time of her disappearance. Virtually all IVF clinics pay to the donor AT LEAST $10,000 per harvest of 10-15 eggs. Even if her eggs, on an individual basis, were worth $1,000 each, which is the low end of the scale, then you're talking roughly $100,000,000 here. That's one hundred million dollars. Subtract for a black market discount and some damage and so on and you're still in the 25-50 million dollar range. That's a huge incentive to kidnap someone like Molly Bish.

lafko

"Assuming she was healthy." She probably was healthy, however you can't ASSUME her ovaries were healthy. You can't assume it, you just can't logically do it and be 100 percent accurate. You can't assume it because it's theoretical and we could debate assumptions until hell freezes over but why bother. If we are going to ASSUME things, then let's assume that the satellites overhead captured photos of the event. Let's assume a fairy princess is coming on Friday to grant 3 wishes. See what I mean? No one cares for innacurate assumptions, no one. If you can't see that I've shot you down so far there's no coming back, then god can't even help you == and the rest of us will have to ASSUME you need to take your meds which I can assume you are definitely prescribed and may not be taking correctly.

When you ASSUME you make and ASS out of U and ME.

Beagle

Why might Molly Bish's eggs have been unhealthy and, if you'll forgive me, presumably useless?

Beagle

Now I'm understanding what the notations and marginalia in the ex-priest's seminary books was leading toward; what path he was on, so to speak, even if he didn't know it at the time.

Beagle

The corporate need, especially 1998-2001 (but basically 1995-2005) for eggs from someone like Molly Bish was overwhelming. Sufficient numbers of eggs of sufficient quality (especially young eggs with long telomeres) simply were not available. This is no-nonsense, mainstream, thoroughly documented biotech history. There is no question whatsoever that the need existed and was very intense.

Specifically, this need, as it existed in the Massachusetts area, was more intense, in my opinion, than any crazy, sick intentions of a serial killer.

I'm not saying that a lone serial killer could not have abducted Molly Bish or Maura Murray. Certainly could have happened. But... if you compare the general likelihood of a serial killer acting on his need against the need of certain venture capitalists, whose investments in biotech were going down the drain, you can see how easily someone, maybe from the bottom of the corporate ladder, might have decided to meet this corporate need for high quality eggs by kidnapping a young woman. From a biotech point of view, it is certainly not out of the question.

lafko