Star fights to open adoption court case

Star fights to open adoption court case

There are 32 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 22, 2007, titled Star fights to open adoption court case. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

An Indiana appeals court soon will begin reviewing in secret the case of a single 60-year-old New Jersey man who hired a surrogate mother to deliver twin girls for him.

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Chris

Port Arthur, TX

#21 Mar 26, 2007
""By invalidating your child's relationship with his adoptive parents, you are diminishing him""

How did you come to this conclusion? What do you know of my relationship with my now adult child or the adoptive parents of? I have not invalidated my child's personal relationship with the adoptive parents. I am writing my stance on adoption and closed records in general. Try not to draw conclusions about people's personal relationships that you know nothing of. Again I am speaking about Adoption and Closed Records not about 'invalidation of relationships'. BTW who is iris eyes? Evidently you have me confused with who I don't know. I am Chris from Nederland, Texas!
Amyadoptee

San Angelo, TX

#22 Mar 26, 2007
I agree that it does do that. It is interesting that Steven Kirsh actually owns up to that. Yet Katrina Carlisle still feels the need to protect the first mothers. As is very evident with you, first mothers don't want that protection from their own children. I feel very very strongly that adoption agencies and adoption attorneys need to stay out of our business. They are the ones making the laws in Indiana. Steven Kirsh is the one that wrote the laws in Indiana. It is a ploy to earn additional money for himself and others in the industry. WE need to make the laws not them. The state legislators need to discuss this with us living adoption. Not the adoption agencies. Not the attorneys. This industry is highly motivated by money. This industry is highly unregulated. This means a very high potential for corruption. WE all need to change this. We have the statistics that support our claims. We have the court cases that support our rights (i.e. Tennessee and Oregon). We have our voices that will no longer be silenced. We want changes in the law to reflect our rights. The rights of business does not outweigh the rights of the individual. That is exactly what is happening. It is like the fox guarding the hens. It just ain't working. Adoption as we know it does not work. We have to change it to equally weigh the rights of all.
Amyadoptee

San Angelo, TX

#23 Mar 26, 2007
What do you hope to accomplish with adoption laws? I understand what you have been through. I understand all of it. This kind of anger isn't going to get the movement anywhere. I desparately want to change the laws. We won't change them with this kind of anger. You just push people away from you. Do you really understand that? We have to put some of this in the past. We have to deal with legislators that tell us we don't know what we want because they LISTEN TO ADOPTION AGENCIES AND ATTORNEYS ABOUT US. They won't even consider us legimately with anger like this. I know that my mother was in a maternity home. She was treated like a prisoner because she got pregnant. The laws in Indiana won't even allow me to contact her on my own. They won't give me clear cut information on her. Do you really think a agency CI is better? That was my option. What mortifies the most is that I sent the former agency director to talk with her. If I go to court, I will have the same hassle. Its okay for adoptees born in 1993 but not for me. We have to work together. You have to get past the anger towards adoptive parents in order to change the laws. Adoptive parents were just as lied to as you were. My adoptive parents were not told anything but my birth name which was very likely to have been changed to by the agency. Your son may have had horrible adoptive parents but not all adoptees did. If he did, I understand your anger and its justified. Does it really help with open records? We have to beat them at their own game. To do so is to beat the agencies that forced you to give up your son
Chris

Port Arthur, TX

#24 Mar 26, 2007
""Your son may have had horrible adoptive parents but not all adoptees did. If he did, I understand your anger and its justified. Does it really help with open records?""

Jeez Louise.. seems to me you lack seriously in the comprehension department and/or reading skills!! You better go back and read my 'comments'........ Aren't you also an 'angry adoptee'?? My son??? Where did I mention 'son'? Where did I write that my now adult child had 'horrible' aparents? We are not speaking of my specific situation nor yours. Your own 'anger' seems to be clouding your vision while reading my 'comments'. And I hate to tell you this, but the people I am involved with are not 'pushed away' by my supposed anger. For me those are the people that count! Or would you have me make nice with adopters in YOUR hopes that they will flock en masse to state legislatures across our nation and DEMAND Closed Records be opened?! Let me know when the MILLIONS of adoptive parents in America sign-up for Open Records and I promise I will eat my hat and 'make nice'!
Amyadoptee

Plano, TX

#25 Mar 27, 2007
No you won't. Because I can come up with a Cornell study where 80% of adoptive parents want their children to have their original birth certificate. Many adoptive parents are doing that. In case you have read a few adoptive parent bloggers out there. In case you have not read on Soul of Adoption. This is the last time I am posting with you.
Chris

Port Arthur, TX

#26 Mar 27, 2007
That Cornell Study is 10 years old!! And only surveyed.... ""She (Rosemary Avery) surveyed 1,274 adoptive parents in 743 adoptive homes in New York""

Here's another one for your perusal.."Testimony of Madelyn Freundlich Executive Director The Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute Before the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Ways and Means Subcommittee on Human Resources Concerning Adoption Registries June 11, 1998""

I would like to see more current 'surveys' with much higher numbers of adoptive parents being surveyed, from a cross-section of America, not just New York.
Chris

Port Arthur, TX

#27 Mar 27, 2007
On a parting note, I think this sums it up best..

""The Honorable Wade Weatherford, South Carolina District Judge said this when granting an adoptee access to his records. ""

""The Law must be consonant with life. It cannot and should not ignore broad historical currents. Mankind is possessed of no greater urge than to answer the age old questions of Who Am I? and Why Am I?. Even now the sands and ashes of the deserts are being sifted to find where we took our first steps as man. Ancient religions often used ancestor worship in one form or another. The thirst to know the past is neither whimsical nor unjust. It is real and is good cause under the law of Man and God" "
Steven C Litz_Attorney

Brownsburg, IN

#28 Mar 27, 2007
The Star's attempt to access the records is a gross violation of Indiana law. Indiana law makes disclosure of adoption records a crime. The Star, in its request, disclosed a variety of otherwise confidential information that it was given illegally. It then sought to justify disclosure of other records claiming that there has already been a substantial amount of publicity about the case, publicity that it created. Their request is the ultimate bootstrapping attempt. The attorney who submitted the request, and the reporter who has sought the records should face criminal sanctions.
Kay

United States

#29 Mar 28, 2007
This doesn't seem to be an "adoption"

Right at the start of the article it says "a single 60-year-old New Jersey man who hired a surrogate mother to deliver twin girls for him."

These babies were bought and paid for, that's why the "adoptive, cough" parent was able to be 60 years old and out of state, didn't matter if the kids were hard to place or not, he paid for them, egg, womb and all.

Sad really that people can broker/buy babies this way.
Shirley Zager OPTS

Naperville, IL

#30 Mar 31, 2007
The Indianapolis Star isn't content
to report news. It wants to be a
political player. It's excessive
and one sided coverage of one
surrogacy case arranged by Steven
Litz and over-promotion of Senate
legislation designed to make
using an agency illegal along
with its legal filings to get
into private adoption records
raises the question of whether
the paper's activities are
politically motivated. From
all appearances, the answer
seems to be yes.
Chris

Port Arthur, TX

#31 Apr 3, 2007
And what is wrong with being 'politically' motivated or for that matter to do a little 'investigative' reporting?? Afterall is what a lot of newspapers and their journalists did in years past and opened up, many times, cans of 'worms'. I say let's see what those 'cans' really hold. And BTW, where is this Rent-A-Womb (surrogate mother)who sold her body to create these poor babes for this Old Man??!! Talk about Prostitution! But guess it was cheaper for the Old Man to Rent-A-Womb rather than having to travel to Thailand or such parts, to buy 'children'.
Honey Cobra

London, UK

#32 Apr 28, 2007
I really do not blame you, you haven't been there so how would you know,a 60 years old man just arranging for surrogacy? you think he hasn't suffered enough? Oh he wouln't have liked to it naturally when he was younger? I don't understand why people can't just be thankful for small mercies,if you're one those who find it o soo easy to get pregnant,pls do so and have a little sympathy for those who have spent so much financially and emotionally and the only options left to them is surrogacy or adoption or you would rather they die without children? Do you really think you will make a better parent than them or you've got more to offer than the 60 yrs old man who spent a lot to make his dream come true? It's been noted that those of us who find it easy getting pregnant tend to take our kids for granted more than those who actually suffered before someone took pity on them and assisted.What we all need to do is look for ways of making sure these kids get into the right families,some might like open, some might prefer closed,depends on your situation i guess.The money being asked for by the private agencies i believe are way too high,the kids involved need to be properly taken care of and when the adoptive parents are already neck deep in debt,how then will they cope? I'd like to use this medium to invite all stake holders,esp.our law makers to regulate this cost and informing those agencies that cannot conform to pls.pack up and look for something else to do as this is actually a humanitarian service and not like you're selling stuffs in the market. Thank you.

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