Jehovah's Witnesses try to be inclusive

Jehovah's Witnesses try to be inclusive

There are 2181 comments on the Enquirer-Journal story from Jan 9, 2010, titled Jehovah's Witnesses try to be inclusive. In it, Enquirer-Journal reports that:

Kingdom Hall Jehovaha s Witnesses aim to include everyone. a oeSomething that is outstanding is our unity,a said David Semonian, a spokesman for the church.

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little lamb

Australia

#2215 Mar 4, 2010
KFC - San Diego wrote:
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We all sin...and I believe there is a huge difference between "weakness and wickedness...the two W's. Weak would involve making an error and asking forgiveness from those you hurt BEFORE going to God....i.e., "leave you gift at the alter and go make peace with your brother and then return to me". Wicked is to keep making the error a practice. God is giving us the time now to make our amends and straighten our paths, self included. Lets all follow our perfect model, whom we should all be looking to, Christ. Just a thought.
thats quite a nice thought . But jesus actually says to us 'if you being WICKED know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will God give Holy Spirit to those asking him.'
Jesus tells us we are quite WICKED, and unless we are born again of spirit we can't SEE the kingdom of God." and unless we are born again of spirit and water we can't ENTER the kingdom of God.'
So this old human nature we inherited from Adam has to die, because its wicked.
and this is something the watchtower does not teach. that the flesh is opposed to the spirit. and we have to put to death the practices of the flesh by the spirit.
You are being taught that the 'born again of spirit' principle does not apply to you. But jesus says it does for he uses the words ' unless ANYONE is born again,...'And that ANYONE means ANYONE including YOURSELF.
KFC - San Diego

United States

#2216 Mar 4, 2010
JW lies are exposed wrote:
I actually like that post!
Very good KFC.
Thanks, it's the truth. What would I do in a spirit realm but wish I were right here on earth where my heart is. God has a bigger better plan for me but my job today is to make sure my thinking is in line with HIS plan. He has not put a spirit realm plan in my heart yet. Hope no time soon either!

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#2217 Mar 4, 2010
JW lies are exposed wrote:
I actually like that post!
Very good KFC.
yes I agree, when one knows that they have a heavenly hope they have no doubt about it, those with an earthly hope wish nothing of a heavenly abode.

well said KFC.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#2218 Mar 4, 2010
KFC - San Diego wrote:
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But I really like the water on earth. I love the paradise hope. Who does not want to live in an earthly paradise right now. We can't even imagine what we are really missing can we? Crystal clear water falls and drinking water. Everyone singing with beautiful loud "voices" praising God. Everything we yearn for is right here. Clean white sandy beach with no cigarette butts. Sleep outside next to crackling fire, aroma's of wild flowers, small cozy blanket, surrounded by friends. Wake to the laughter of children playing. Yes heaven sound foreign and unexpected. What would one do in heaven? It is not a desire within (me). And you?
There is so much to be said about the wisdom and practicality found in the Native American ways of thinking which relate to what you are speaking about:

"Where no one intrudes, many can live in harmony." ---Chief Dan George

"Before our white brothers arrived to make us civilized men,
we didn't have any kind of prison. Because of this, we had no delinquents

Without a prison, there can be no delinquents.

We had no locks nor keys and therefore among us there were no thieves.

When someone was so poor that he couldn't afford a horse, a tent or a blanket, he would, in that case, receive it all as a gift

We were too uncivilized to give great importance to private property.

We didn't know any kind of money and consequently, the value of a human being was not determined by his wealth.

We had no written laws laid down, no lawyers, no politicians,
therefore we were not able to cheat and swindle one another.

We were really in bad shape before the white men arrived and I don't know how to explain how we were able to manage without these fundamental things that (so they tell us) are so necessary for a civilized society."

John (Fire) Lame Deer
Sioux Lakota - 1903-1976

"Civilization has been thrust upon me.... and it has not added one whit to my love for truth, honesty, and generosity." - Luther Standing Bear, Oglala Sioux, 1868-1937

"Treat the earth well.
It was not given to you by your parents,
it was loaned to you by your children.
We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
we borrow it from our Children."
Chief Seattle 1780-1866

"I do not think the measure of a civilization
is how tall its buildings of concrete are,
But rather how well its people have learned to relate
to their environment and fellow man."
Sun Bear of the Chippewa Tribe

__________

As much as I enjoy many of the technological advances I have seen developed in my time here on earth, I also realize that the people/civilizations IN the world are at tremendous risk with all that is bad for them and that the earth itself is sick so that it cannot sustain life as it was intended to.

One of my favorite quotes says it all:

"Martin Luther King said,
'I have a dream.' But we Indians didn't have a dream. We had a reality."
Ben Black Elk 1863-1950
Darma

San Jose, CA

#2219 Mar 4, 2010
Nedoba wrote:
<quoted text>
There is so much to be said about the wisdom and practicality found in the Native American ways of thinking which relate to what you are speaking about:
"Where no one intrudes, many can live in harmony." ---Chief Dan George
"Before our white brothers arrived to make us civilized men,
we didn't have any kind of prison. Because of this, we had no delinquents
Without a prison, there can be no delinquents.
We had no locks nor keys and therefore among us there were no thieves.
When someone was so poor that he couldn't afford a horse, a tent or a blanket, he would, in that case, receive it all as a gift
We were too uncivilized to give great importance to private property.
We didn't know any kind of money and consequently, the value of a human being was not determined by his wealth.
We had no written laws laid down, no lawyers, no politicians,
therefore we were not able to cheat and swindle one another.
We were really in bad shape before the white men arrived and I don't know how to explain how we were able to manage without these fundamental things that (so they tell us) are so necessary for a civilized society."
John (Fire) Lame Deer
Sioux Lakota - 1903-1976
"Civilization has been thrust upon me.... and it has not added one whit to my love for truth, honesty, and generosity." - Luther Standing Bear, Oglala Sioux, 1868-1937
"Treat the earth well.
It was not given to you by your parents,
it was loaned to you by your children.
We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
we borrow it from our Children."
Chief Seattle 1780-1866
"I do not think the measure of a civilization
is how tall its buildings of concrete are,
But rather how well its people have learned to relate
to their environment and fellow man."
Sun Bear of the Chippewa Tribe
__________
As much as I enjoy many of the technological advances I have seen developed in my time here on earth, I also realize that the people/civilizations IN the world are at tremendous risk with all that is bad for them and that the earth itself is sick so that it cannot sustain life as it was intended to.
One of my favorite quotes says it all:
"Martin Luther King said,
'I have a dream.' But we Indians didn't have a dream. We had a reality."
Ben Black Elk 1863-1950
That's beautiful.

We could all take that particular page out of the Native American book and be much better off for it.

Thank you for sharing.

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#2220 Mar 4, 2010
Nedoba wrote:
<quoted text>
There is so much to be said about the wisdom and practicality found in the Native American ways of thinking which relate to what you are speaking about:
Native American spirituality video

http://www.definingmoment.tv/defining-moment-...

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#2221 Mar 9, 2010
Darma wrote:
<quoted text>
That's beautiful.
We could all take that particular page out of the Native American book and be much better off for it.
Thank you for sharing.
And thank YOU for your kind words, Darma. I have really enjoyed looking into the deep wisdom that has come from the First Americans!

Love and the cycle of life are sacred matters to the Native American. I have been told that knowledge about this world was passed to an Indian child by his parents and tribal elders, but his true wisdom came from the whispers he heard from every living thing and element with which he came in contact during his life.

His heart and ears are always listening for the soft voice of the wind in the pine, the mournful song of the coyote or the gentle laughter that danced on the ripples in the brook. He hears words in the soft breathing of his newborn child, the stirrings of his sleeping wife, and the wrinkles in the faces of his grandparents. Everything speaks to him and he holds a great respect for all life.

There is a lot of wisdom in the words of Chief Dan George (July 24, 1899–September 23, 1981) who was a chief of the Tsleil-Waututh Nation, British Columbia once said:

~~~"My friends, how desperately do we need to be loved and to love. Love is something you and I must have. We must have it because our spirit feeds upon it.

We must have it because without it we become weak and faint. Without love our self-esteem weakens.

Without it our courage fails. Without love we can no longer look out confidently at the world. We turn inward and begin to feed upon our own personalities, and little by little we destroy ourselves.

With it we are creative. With it we march tirelessly. With it, and with it alone, we are able to sacrifice for others."~~~

con't

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#2222 Mar 9, 2010
con't

We see that ALL human beings need love and were designed with the capacity to give love and to receive it. WHY do some hold love BACK from others simply because they do not worship as they do? Only those individuals can answer that.

This deep love and true appreciation for ALL living things, is inherent in the Indigenous culture. They teach that ALL living things are connected to one another in some way. MODERN MAN and his truly divisive religions, sadly, have ruined this warm and tender philosophy and wonderfully inclusive way of LIFE in order to seemingly "make others better" in some way. The "love this one but not that one" is taught in the name of "good" but is not reflective OF what is good. Some forms of religion are far worse than others in this teaching.

One has only to look at the expressions that come from those here on this forum who claim to be representitives of the "only true religion on earth" but who continually demonstrate the complete lack of brotherly love and human compassion that they insist they are supposedly "known for" displaying. The deep and ongoing hatred of ANY who do not follow whatever the GB says, is clearly shown here day after day by WTS defenders.

The Watchtower Society's form of religion does not reflect that they teach nor do they even believe that.....God.....is.....love. Their cruel shunning policies and their "unique teachings" bear this out without question.

One can only feel pity for those who have been caught up in believing the WTS lies and pray that they may soon come to find that loving others is not based on whether or not they worship the way the GB insists on.....but to honestly and truly do to others as they would have done to them.

THIS IS a basic teaching of both Jesus Christ AND the people of the First Nations everywhere. Can YOU feel the love presented by any WTS defenders here?

There is a Native American proverb that says "you cannot give away what you don't have." If you have hate and venom living in your heart, then you are INCAPABLE of giving love, warmth or empathy to anyone else. Spouting a few "bible thoughts" pulled from scriptures in a twisted way, those that SEEM to promote the WTS hatred of others....is NOT love. Not even close....and what's more...everyone can see through these tactics...but them.

"Mentally, physically and spiritually, we are all connected together in a circle. It doesn’t matter what race we are. We all have a purpose, and we must learn to work together.” Franklin Kahn, Navajo Nation

"You have to humble yourself... You will be blessed according to your humility." Litefoot, Oneida Nation

We are ALL created by ONE GOD....the Great Creator of everything. Isn't it about time to "widen out", to open ALL hearts to the love and appreciation of ALL HE CREATED.....DESPITE OUR DIFFERENCES?
your jig is up

Honolulu, HI

#2223 Mar 12, 2010
JWForever wrote:
<quoted text>
You only think you know my name. Did Old Lady tell you that lie?
No one puts real names on the internet knowing that others are looking to do harm to them. I learned that a long time ago on other messageboards.
You would have no reason to use "CIA FREE AND cia free" if you weren't the same person. No "friend" would use his name to defame his friend as you did. You are a foul mouth, obnoxious abuser and probably with very serious mental problems that you display here.
No you are CIA/Jude and you have proved it. You just don't want your "friends" to know you have been lying all along to them.
You're busted.
No...YOU are busted.
Ask Chris.

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#2224 Mar 12, 2010
your jig is up wrote:
<quoted text>No...YOU are busted.
Ask Chris.
she is a such a liar JWF, EE put up what NR thought was my name, but I never gave her my real name when I first met her, I was still very very wary, still she told someone and they did put it up on this forum.

Was quite outraged as the email I used anyway was not mine, I was only just learning the computer and sharing at the time. I knew there was something wrong with this group but never thought they were that spitful and horrible. And yet I knew her name and email, and I have never once called her by her first name, even when others did, I never joined in using NRs name.
humble man

Newark, UK

#2226 Oct 12, 2011
I am very humble and believe there are good and bad amongst all people and that includes the witnesses, they are simply misguided and indoctrinated and made to feel guilt by the Watchtower society. I would say to them follow Jesus and not a man made organisation

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#2227 Oct 12, 2011
KFC - San Diego wrote:
<quoted text>
But I really like the water on earth. I love the paradise hope. Who does not want to live in an earthly paradise right now. We can't even imagine what we are really missing can we? Crystal clear water falls and drinking water. Everyone singing with beautiful loud "voices" praising God. Everything we yearn for is right here. Clean white sandy beach with no cigarette butts. Sleep outside next to crackling fire, aroma's of wild flowers, small cozy blanket, surrounded by friends. Wake to the laughter of children playing. Yes heaven sound foreign and unexpected. What would one do in heaven? It is not a desire within (me). And you?
Have you already beheld what God has in store for you in His heavenly kingdom? Don't be too quick to pass judgment. That Mustang GT looked real good until you saw that candy apple red Ferrari.

In this particular case, the grass in heaven is indeed much greener -- and better in every way.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#2229 Jan 21, 2013
noahsday wrote:
<quoted text>yes I agree, when one knows that they have a heavenly hope they have no doubt about it, those with an earthly hope wish nothing of a heavenly abode.
well said KFC.
You are not FIT to live in heaven and rule over this earth. You are the problem here on earth..........keep dreaming.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#2230 Jan 21, 2013
KFC - San Diego wrote:
<quoted text>
We all sin...and I believe there is a huge difference between "weakness and wickedness...the two W's. Weak would involve making an error and asking forgiveness from those you hurt BEFORE going to God....i.e., "leave you gift at the alter and go make peace with your brother and then return to me". Wicked is to keep making the error a practice. God is giving us the time now to make our amends and straighten our paths, self included. Lets all follow our perfect model, whom we should all be looking to, Christ. Just a thought.
My goodness, such small petty thinking.
True Christian witness

United States

#2231 Jan 24, 2013
humble man wrote:
I am very humble and believe there are good and bad amongst all people and that includes the witnesses, they are simply misguided and indoctrinated and made to feel guilt by the Watchtower society. I would say to them follow Jesus and not a man made organisation
A truly humble person would not admit he was humble for humility is an attitude. If you believe what someone says about another person or their family without your own evidence, you are gullible.

Jehovah's witnesses don't need anyones praise or commendation for their hard work of going door to door preaching, and they are not stopped by anyone's opinons, especially of their sincerity, they have Jehovah God's backing and the support of Jesus as their reigning King in heaven.

It is you that is misguided by your self righteousness, and your lack of understanding Bible prophecy for these last days, something no other religion has except the witnesses of Jehovah God. That is also a fact,
no one can receive that understanding without Jehovah God's holy spirit,
and only the meek of this earth get that from Jehovah God.
Psalm 37:11
My-EYEs

Houston, TX

#2232 Jan 25, 2013
the link for this story appears to be broken..at least thats what it tells me when I try to click on it. Hmmmm..?
The Watcher

Clearlake, CA

#2233 Jan 26, 2013
The organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is one of the most exclusive religions on the planet. They are also one of the most antisemitic.

They exclude all of humanity other than those who accept the governing body of their organization as their spiritual leaders. Since the organization formally reject the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel and all things Jewish, they also reject the Jewish Jesus who grew up worshiping the GOD of Israel.

They then teach that those excluded for not accepting the governing body as their masters will be hacked to death by their god's angels any day now in a battle called Armageddon. They say this battle will be so ferocious that the blood will flow through the streets three feet deep!

The only thing inclusive about this cult is that everyone that disagrees with them is included in those who will contribute to the three feet high ocean of blood created by the slaughter of men, women, and children by their insane god at a battle named after one word,"Armageddon", in one book, Revelations, that was not even added to the Roman Canon until the sixth century!

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#2234 Jan 26, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
A truly humble person would not admit he was humble for humility is an attitude.
Wouldn't one's humility be determined by what he said, how he presented an idea, or by his actions? I would think that one's humility would be seen by those hearing his words or observing his actions.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#2235 Jan 26, 2013
Nedoba wrote:
<quoted text>
There is so much to be said about the wisdom and practicality found in the Native American ways of thinking which relate to what you are speaking about:
"Where no one intrudes, many can live in harmony." ---Chief Dan George
"Before our white brothers arrived to make us civilized men,
we didn't have any kind of prison. Because of this, we had no delinquents
Without a prison, there can be no delinquents.
We had no locks nor keys and therefore among us there were no thieves.
When someone was so poor that he couldn't afford a horse, a tent or a blanket, he would, in that case, receive it all as a gift
We were too uncivilized to give great importance to private property.
We didn't know any kind of money and consequently, the value of a human being was not determined by his wealth.
We had no written laws laid down, no lawyers, no politicians,
therefore we were not able to cheat and swindle one another.
We were really in bad shape before the white men arrived and I don't know how to explain how we were able to manage without these fundamental things that (so they tell us) are so necessary for a civilized society."
John (Fire) Lame Deer
Sioux Lakota - 1903-1976
"Civilization has been thrust upon me.... and it has not added one whit to my love for truth, honesty, and generosity." - Luther Standing Bear, Oglala Sioux, 1868-1937
"Treat the earth well.
It was not given to you by your parents,
it was loaned to you by your children.
We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
we borrow it from our Children."
Chief Seattle 1780-1866
"I do not think the measure of a civilization
is how tall its buildings of concrete are,
But rather how well its people have learned to relate
to their environment and fellow man."
Sun Bear of the Chippewa Tribe
__________
As much as I enjoy many of the technological advances I have seen developed in my time here on earth, I also realize that the people/civilizations IN the world are at tremendous risk with all that is bad for them and that the earth itself is sick so that it cannot sustain life as it was intended to.
One of my favorite quotes says it all:
"Martin Luther King said,
'I have a dream.' But we Indians didn't have a dream. We had a reality."
Ben Black Elk 1863-1950
I want you to just live a productive life without the governments help. Enough is enough.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#2236 Jan 26, 2013
Gareth wrote:
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Everything CIA said is completely untrue.
.
And you expect people to believe that..??

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