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WZZM13 - Smokers could be fined for smoking at the beach

There are 224 comments on the WZZM Grand Rapids story from Jun 26, 2007, titled WZZM13 - Smokers could be fined for smoking at the beach. In it, WZZM Grand Rapids reports that:

Families across West Michigan enjoy coming to the lakeshore. "We live very close, so it's a great thing to have the beach around," said Salome Zakariadze who frequents Tunnel Beach.

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Rita Wilson

Holland, MI

#1 Jun 27, 2007
Please post the spacific park names.
SMOKIE

Grand Haven, MI

#2 Jun 27, 2007
IT IS SAD THAT A FEW SMOKERS MAKE ALL SMOKERS LOOK BAD I WILL BET THEY DON'T THROW BUTTS ON THERE FLOOR AT HOME!
Jan

Victoria, Canada

#3 Jun 27, 2007
That's easily explained. Smokers have ashtrays at home.
Fro

Grand Rapids, MI

#4 Jun 27, 2007
Another victory for non-smokers!!!! We'll soon have a smoke-free state!

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#5 Jun 27, 2007
Fro wrote:
Another victory for non-smokers!!!! We'll soon have a smoke-free state!
enjoy your higher taxes. Who do you think helps foot the tax bill? Must be you "forgot" about the increase in cigarette taxes a few years ago. Or how about the money the legislature wants to use from the tobacco settlement fund to balance the budget for next year? Without the smokers, MI would have been a barren wasteland faster, and you would probably be a Canadian citizen by now.

But yes, another victory for nonsmokers.
Wonder Y

United States

#6 Jun 27, 2007
Just another revenue booster....Smoking may be a health risk to an individual but they are only hurting themselves. Why not rid the beaches of our real Social issues like **** preditors, abusive parents,and viewers of pornography. Let's close the beaches on Sunday mornings also to demand everybody attend church. Beware of the invasive lawmakers. You may read about them (in the news) next weekend for getting busted for dressing in drag and hanging out at a local rest stop. Your twisted choice of enjoyment could be next. Beware of our social collapse.
Fro

Grand Rapids, MI

#7 Jun 27, 2007
Hey, I voted for DeVos, not Jenny. This state wanted a mother in charge for another 4 years, and that's what this state got. The GOP would not let this fly.

I am, however, all for the smoking ban.
Pat

United States

#8 Jun 27, 2007
The diseases smokers put upon themselves hurt everyone... and Im not just talking cancer, but alllll the other diseases, from minor to major.

How do they hurt everyone?

Ever heard of group insurance? Insurance companies have to balance what they pay out with what they take in.

More costs = higher premiums and more expense.

And what equalls more costs? More doctor visits, medications, surgeries, long term care.

Its a proven fact that smokers as a whole have more health issues than smokers.

So again, how does that effect other people? Ask your insurance agent.

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#9 Jun 27, 2007
how about all the overweight people? How does this effect your insurance rates? How about the ones on disability because they can't get around because of their weight? What about the ones that have diabetes, high blood pressure and high cholesterol because of their weight? How are they not a strain on the insurance rates?

There is more issues besides smoking. Shall we start taxes the overwight people and telling people what they should and shouldn't eat and start banning certain foods? Oh wait! We already do! Communism here we come!
get a clue nonsmokers

Portsmouth, OH

#10 Jun 27, 2007
Pat wrote:
The diseases smokers put upon themselves hurt everyone... and Im not just talking cancer, but alllll the other diseases, from minor to major.
How do they hurt everyone?
Ever heard of group insurance? Insurance companies have to balance what they pay out with what they take in.
More costs = higher premiums and more expense.
And what equalls more costs? More doctor visits, medications, surgeries, long term care.
Its a proven fact that smokers as a whole have more health issues than smokers.
So again, how does that effect other people? Ask your insurance agent.
lol. nice try. Have you heard of higher premiumns due newer technology.?? All the hospitals are upgrading to new equipment due to new technology.

So let see 80% of the population are non smokers, so wouldnt 80% who go to doctors be non smokers ??

lmao. I thought all you anti's said smoking kills, especially you non smokers and now you are saying we the smokers are living longer and are cost you higher premiums for long term care. Who lives longer, a non smoker or a smoker ?? Who will be living longer and spending 15 to 20 years longer in a nursing home. Eating up the state resources to take of you ??? gee I wonder.

So yes, I agee. Ask your insurance agent.
Pat

United States

#11 Jun 27, 2007
Hmmm interesting that you point out that 80% of the population is non smoking...

All the more reason that, being the vast majority, we should be able to go places, any place outside of our own home, without having to breath in the stench of cigarettes.

Thanks for pointing that out... I did not know the percentage till you said it. Excellent!

pssst...ps. My husband is an insurance agent. And guess what? You smokers pay a higher premium to help DEFER the costs you add due to your smoking induced medical issues to the insurance companies. And notice I said 'Defer'... not pay in whole.

Us non smokers pick up the tab for the rest of that.

And the comment about the overweight people? Well, they arent the ones shoving their habits in our face...or up our nose, or in our hair, or in our lungs... you get the picture.
-LMS-

Holland, MI

#12 Jun 28, 2007
I really feel like we are becoming less and less of a free country. We aren't even allowed to due something that is LEGAL in an outdoor setting? Sorry folks, but I really don't believe out in the fresh air that you are having to breathe much of it! I am all for non-smoking indoors. I am a smoker but I don't like to smoke in public places like restaraunts. I don't smoke in my home or car because I have children. And for those of you thinking "why not just quit?" Well that is a lot easier said that done. I've tried everything. I will quit when I am ready but for now I like it. As far as smoking at the beaches, luckily, I don't live in Ottawa County or go to the beaches there, but when I am at the beach I at least have the decency to put my cigarette butts in a small plastic garbage bag that I bring with me.
Terry Parker

Muskegon, MI

#13 Jun 30, 2007
Jan wrote:
That's easily explained. Smokers have ashtrays at home.
Let them stay at home with their ash trays, then.
mariah

United States

#14 Jun 30, 2007
Fro wrote:
Another victory for non-smokers!!!! We'll soon have a smoke-free state!
Yes and then I can't wait until we can get a fat free state and an alcohol free state and gosh what else can we get rid of? Oh yeah a people free State-oh thats right it almost is that now. I don't think any ugly people should be here either.
just candid

AOL

#15 Jun 30, 2007
mariah wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and then I can't wait until we can get a fat free state and an alcohol free state and gosh what else can we get rid of? Oh yeah a people free State-oh thats right it almost is that now. I don't think any ugly people should be here either.
You sound like a nicotine addict,are you?
Mi Lady

Trenton, MI

#16 Jul 25, 2007
neecer wrote:
how about all the overweight people? How does this effect your insurance rates? How about the ones on disability because they can't get around because of their weight? What about the ones that have diabetes, high blood pressure and high cholesterol because of their weight? How are they not a strain on the insurance rates?
There is more issues besides smoking. Shall we start taxes the overwight people and telling people what they should and shouldn't eat and start banning certain foods? Oh wait! We already do! Communism here we come!
Well said... We are becoming more of a Communist country every day. What ever happened to the land of the free and equal rights for everybody what a joke. And in the meantime all the Communist country's have more rights then we do. And just in case you are wondering no I am not a smoker just a believer in equal rights.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#17 Jul 29, 2007
More unnecessary legislation... guess our lawmakers have nothing better to do other than avoiding the real issues of citizens. Obviously the problem is cigarette/cigar butts in the sand. We already have a law banning littering, but it's so unenforced our lawmakers came up with the brilliant idea of passing another law that won't be significantly enforced. I can't see any reason to stop smoking at the beach ( and properly disposing of cigarette/cigar butts) since the chance of getting caught is slim and I don't think a $50 ticket is going to change anyone's standard of living.
maureenlee

Kalamazoo, MI

#18 Jul 30, 2007
just candid wrote:
<quoted text>You sound like a nicotine addict,are you?
No I do not smoke--quit quite a while ago as if it is any of your business. What kind of addict are you? Or do you stop at child molesting?
AJW

Loves Park, IL

#19 Jul 30, 2007
There may be more non smokers than smokers, but there are not more anti smokers... most non smokers still feel that the state should not ban our choices. It's the antis who are soooo self-righteous that want everything banned... except when the ban will affect one of thier nasty little habits. And you do have one, we all do... even if it's just biting your nails. Whatever your habit is, I'm sure it causes me and others to stress out when we are around it. Stress causes tons of medical issues too. Give me a break. And please stop letting the government wield so much control over our lives.
Backy Addicts Suck

AOL

#20 Jul 30, 2007
AJW wrote:
There may be more non smokers than smokers, but there are not more anti smokers... most non smokers still feel that the state should not ban our choices. It's the antis who are soooo self-righteous that want everything banned... except when the ban will affect one of thier nasty little habits. And you do have one, we all do... even if it's just biting your nails. Whatever your habit is, I'm sure it causes me and others to stress out when we are around it. Stress causes tons of medical issues too. Give me a break. And please stop letting the government wield so much control over our lives.
I guess we won't be seeing you at the beach.

By the way, it is not the government controlling your life, it is that 3 inch paper tube filled with tobacco that is controllibg your life.

Must suck to be an addict.

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