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The real Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#1996 Mar 26, 2014
The real Dying wage wrote:
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Sorry I guess I have to revise my last statement once again, because I’ve made another circular argument. I fully understand that “used” means past tense and that it doesn’t necessarily prove someone “has” mealy they “had” them, Now if those dumbass WMD’s would have been found, that would have proven that Saddam had them. Alas, once again I apologize for being in error. I ”used” to have a firm grasp on realty, but lately I’ve been forgetting to take my meds so I don’t always “have” all my wits.
Once again, the troll has trolled me.

Everyone knows those WMD's were transported to Syria, during the 14 months we waited on the UN.
The real Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#1997 Mar 26, 2014
The real Dying wage wrote:
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Sorry I guess I have to revise my last statement once again, because I’ve made another circular argument. I fully understand that “used” means past tense and that it doesn’t necessarily prove someone “has” mealy they “had” them, Now if those dumbass WMD’s would have been found, that would have proven that Saddam had them. Alas, once again I apologize for being in error. I ”used” to have a firm grasp on realty, but lately I’ve been forgetting to take my meds so I don’t always “have” all my wits.
Any sane person can tell the difference between the "real" and the "troll" Dying wage, because I use proper punctuation and spelling.
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#1998 Mar 26, 2014
Circle Jerk wrote:
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Saddam set himself up on that one. He played the game pretending that he still had WMD in his possession when it was proven in the end that he did not. He could not have continued to terrorize his population and neighboring countries if he let the cat out the bag that he no longer had WMD. So ... They turned out to be Weapons Of Mass Deception after all.
WMD's were not the only reason we invaded Iraq. We also went in to remove a despot regime that not only committed atrocities against their own people, but ignored UN resolutions wholesale, thumbing his nose at the whole world. Saddam was also allowing Al-Qaeda to train and have safe haven there. Did you forget about the rape rooms of Uday and Qusay? Are we supposed to be a country that is concerned about the welfare of other human beings on this planet, yet turn a blind eye to the atrocities we KNEW were occurring at the hands and under the authority of this dictator?

Don't pull out the "where were the WMD's?" argument, it's lame and soft.
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#1999 Mar 26, 2014
Circle Jerk wrote:
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Saddam set himself up on that one. He played the game pretending that he still had WMD in his possession when it was proven in the end that he did not. He could not have continued to terrorize his population and neighboring countries if he let the cat out the bag that he no longer had WMD. So ... They turned out to be Weapons Of Mass Deception after all.
Need we fight this battle all over again? There were many reasons to go into Iraq, all justified. If he had WMD before, and had used them before, it was a logical conclusion that he still had them at the time of invasion. He was being uncooperative with UN inspectors, as well as ignoring their many resolutions.

Funny, after no WMD's were found (which there were traces found & the stockpiles gone) and intelligence suspected they were shipped to Syria, then here we have recently chemical weapons used against the Syrian people by their regime. Coincidence? I don't believe in them.
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#2001 Mar 26, 2014
Circle Jerk wrote:
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That's all bullshit and you know it. There are numerous countries where atrocities are committed and the US does not invade. Why is it the responsibility of the US to invade other countries to rid the world of despots? Do we invade African countries? Has China invaded North Korea? Just bullshit to "justify" getting into a war. Get a clue ... It's all about "the spoils of war". Like Dick Cheney & Don Rumsfeld give a shit about Iraqi's being mistreated by Saddam and his family.
Oh yeah, that's a reason, too. Behind the scenes, that is. The spoils of war, to have a democratic country in the middle of the Arab desert. A "friendly" country in the area, as well as an example for all the other "bad actors" closely. Obama's done well to set us back way beyond that, even back to (almost)'Cold War status.

It IS the responsibility of the world's only (former) superpower to instill democracy in every country worldwide. All of this "peace and love", "talk to them, explain how they should act nice" won't work with people who don't care. Letting them run wild and get out of control isn't the answer, either. If you think it is, please explain the end game in that scenario.
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#2002 Mar 26, 2014
Circle Jerk wrote:
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That's all bullshit and you know it. There are numerous countries where atrocities are committed and the US does not invade. Why is it the responsibility of the US to invade other countries to rid the world of despots? Do we invade African countries? Has China invaded North Korea? Just bullshit to "justify" getting into a war. Get a clue ... It's all about "the spoils of war". Like Dick Cheney & Don Rumsfeld give a shit about Iraqi's being mistreated by Saddam and his family.
You tried to pull a subject change there, but it won't work. Everything I said is true, and you know it. You just don't have the courage to admit you support a bunch of weak, pathetic losers.
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#2005 Mar 26, 2014
Circle Jerk wrote:
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That is exactly the logic that creates enemies of the US. You assume that every others country wants Democracy as defined by the US and we "need" to intervene in their affairs to usher in democracy.
What if some other country thought the same of the US? Would that justify that country invading the US? Why has the US not invaded North Korea? You think Iraq is now "friendly" to the US? LOL! SMH.
Sure, you're one of those 9/11 apologists, excusing what they did, since we created their hate. Appeasement and all of the bowing in the world won't change what they believe. Yeah, when atrocities are committed against a people by their own government, the PEOPLE of that country want freedom from that, their oppressors don't, however. By your own attitude, you must be in support of their actions. Their is no middle ground, you're for it or you're agin' it.
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#2006 Mar 26, 2014
*There

Damned spell check.
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#2007 Mar 26, 2014
Circle Jerk wrote:
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On 30 September 2004, the ISG released the Duelfer Report, its final report on Iraq's purported WMD programs. Among its conclusions were:
Saddam Hussein controlled all of the regime’s strategic decision making.
Hussein's primary goal from 1991 to 2003 was to have UN sanctions lifted, while maintaining the security of the regime.
The introduction of the Oil-for-food program (OFF) in late 1996 was a key turning point for the regime.
By 2000-2001, Saddam had managed to mitigate many of the effects of sanctions and undermine their international support.
Iran was Iraq's pre-eminent motivator.
The Iraq Survey Group (ISG) judged that events in the 1980s and early 1990s shaped Saddam’s belief in the value of WMD.
Saddam ended his nuclear program in 1991. ISG found no evidence of concerted efforts to restart the program, and Iraq’s ability to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program progressively decayed after 1991.
Iraq destroyed its chemical weapons stockpile in 1991, and only a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions were discovered by the ISG.
Saddam's regime abandoned its biological weapons program and its ambition to obtain advanced biological weapons in 1995. While it could have re-established an elementary BW program within weeks, ISG discovered no indications it was pursuing such a course.
Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq’s WMD capability, which was essentially destroyed in 1991, after sanctions were removed and Iraq’s economy stabilized. Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability—in an incremental fashion, irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks—but he intended to focus on ballistic missile and tactical chemical warfare (CW) capabilities.
Saddam deceived his own army and the best intelligence agencies in the world into believing he still had WMDs because he believed none of his enemies would dare attack him if he had WMDs.
Saddam believed the U.S. and the coalition that threatened to go to war against him if the U.N. resolutions were not met was bluffing.
Word-for-word quote from Wikipedia. What a "valuable" source material!

Can you say 14 months? Try.

Talk about a circle jerk!
Federal Welfare by State

Garyville, LA

#2010 Mar 27, 2014
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/repu...

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Circle Jerk

Houston, TX

#2011 Mar 27, 2014
Dying wage wrote:
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Word-for-word quote from Wikipedia. What a "valuable" source material!
Can you say 14 months? Try.
Talk about a circle jerk!
It's a summary of the Deufler Report. Wikipedia, but accurate nonetheless.
Circle Jerk

Houston, TX

#2012 Mar 27, 2014
Dying wage wrote:
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Sure, you're one of those 9/11 apologists, excusing what they did, since we created their hate. Appeasement and all of the bowing in the world won't change what they believe. Yeah, when atrocities are committed against a people by their own government, the PEOPLE of that country want freedom from that, their oppressors don't, however. By your own attitude, you must be in support of their actions. Their is no middle ground, you're for it or you're agin' it.
If the PEOPLE of a country want freedom from oppression, it is their responsibility to stage revolution to earn that freedom. Did anyone assist the US in fighting for its freedom from an oppressive England?

There are consequences for taking action in sovereign states. Particularly when you fail to take in cultural considerations. Do you think the French and English realized there was a difference between Sunni and Shia and Wahabi Muslims when they drew up the country borders in the 1930's. No. That's the root of much unrest in the Middle East ... An West ignorant of the Middle Eastern culture arbitrarily defining "countries" and unkowingly grouping rival factions together.

Your assertion is ridiculous. I do not condone the actions of the leaders of some countries, but I don't think the US has sole responsibility for getting involved in those situations. Part of a UN mission, fine.
Pet Peeves

Leesville, LA

#2013 Mar 27, 2014
Circle Jerk wrote:
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If the PEOPLE of a country want freedom from oppression, it is their responsibility to stage revolution to earn that freedom. Did anyone assist the US in fighting for its freedom from an oppressive England?
You must have been the HUB of YOUR CIRCLE JERK, as YOU must have missed many years of American History lessons when you went to school, because teachers taught me an my fellow classmates that primarily France (particularly one French Noble - general Marquis De Lafayette) helped OUR Founding Fathers with a many things (Weapons, Ships, & Misc Supplies), as did the Netherlands, Spain , Poland, and some German States (one person in particular - Friedrich Von Steuben), during OUR Fight for Independence from King George's England.

So you putting down OUR aiding others that are being down trodden by their Dictators and such, holds no water, especially when WE as AMERICANs assist those that need OUR HELP and AID. Unfortunately, WE Americans installed some of the very leaders that WE have later had to assist in removing - Saddam Hussein & Manuel Noriega to name a couple.
Strong defense

Natchitoches, LA

#2015 Mar 27, 2014
Circle Jerk wrote:
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My point exactly. We keep making the same mistakes over and over in meddling in the affairs of other countries. We back those dictators early on, only to have them turn on us. Kharzai in Afghanistan is supporting Putin's actions in Crimea! And, that after Russia invaded Afghanistan and the US helped drive the Russians out. 14 years of war and billions of dollars and this is the thanks we get. We're spending $95 billion a year in Afghanistan, a country with a GDP of $15 billion a year! We could have bought that shithole 10x over. And once we leave, it will just revert back to the way it was.
America needs to take care of America first.
A strong defense is needed, no matter what. Also, as far as our independence from England, we had guns and other weapons at our disposal by the time we decided to fight to be free. The people in question couldn't even defend themselves from the regular home invasions by Saddam's henchmen,much less overthrow a government. Get real.
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#2019 Mar 27, 2014
We need to maintain our ability to have a capable military that can project power to all corners of the earth. The Europeans have no such capability. We also are following in their path, of diverting our resources to being a welfare state. Europe has a minimal expense on defense, and they rely on us to protect them. We have made treaties with and promises to these countries (including Poland and Ukraine, BTW) to defend them as allies. The whole world relies on our military to maintain open seas, provide airlifts and for tsunami relief. Liberals prefer to spend vast amounts on energy, healthcare and education, that will take away from our defenses, and leave us like all of Europe.

Now, not only who will they depend on to defend them, who will defend us?

We can't even go into space or the moon without depending on Russia, or possibly even China in the very near future. That's pitiful.
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#2022 Mar 27, 2014
Circle Jerk wrote:
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Exactly my point. Do you see Russia or China blowing their wads "protecting" or "defending" other countries? No. Do you see them invading other countries to "free" the people? No.
Save Russia who invaded Afghanistan, Georgia and Crimea, what other country has invaded other countries in the past 20 years? The US.
Energy ... Very important ... THE most important strategic asset for defense and the economy. Worthy of investment. Damned Right!
Education ... Where do you think American innovation comes from? Stupid people? Yet, our kids rank 15th worldwide. Even worse in math & science. Worthy of investment? Damned Right!
Healthcare ... Do you know that the single most important determinant of success in life is access to healthcare as a child? Fact. Worthy of investment? Damned Right!
These are not "liberal" ideals, they are smart ideals. I am not a liberal, but libertarian. I believe in America investing in America. And, I could care less about "social issues". Government has no business getting involved in any of the social issues that are the subject of the culture wars. Like I give a flying F who marries who. And neither should the government get involved in people's private lives.
Why are we becoming a welfare state? Because we allowed all the manufacturing jobs to go overseas over the past 40 years. Not because we don't have enough defense.
Energy investment?: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/specia...

Yeah, we need more of this.

Education investment?: http://rossieronline.usc.edu/u-s-education-ve...

We spend more per student than any other country. Spending more money isn't the solution.

Healthcare?: Obamacare? This socialized medicine crap, like the UK & Canada also isn't the answer. It is going to be a huge increase in debt burden. Do you really think that forced health insurance IS NOT getting into people's private lives?

We are becoming a welfare state because those on welfare have become such a high percentage they can vote themselves a "pay" raise. They don't expect or want to work, no matter the price of "minimum wage". When their hourly rate goes up & their hours go down, they will run get in the welfare line instead of getting a second job, just like they do now. This socialized medicine of Obamacare is just another step into being a welfare state.

BTW, liberal "ideals"? Smart "ideals"?
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#2023 Mar 27, 2014
Circle Jerk wrote:
Here's some info about the welfare state:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/1...
Mother Jones is more liberal than the Huffington Post! You're no libertarian, quoting from that rag.
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#2024 Mar 27, 2014
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#2028 Mar 28, 2014
Circle Jerk wrote:
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A closed mind is a controlled mind. You really need to be open to all sources of information. But then I understand that you like your conspiracy theory CoolAid.
No, dumbass, a closed mind is impervious to control. That's why I wear my tin foil hat so the "the Government" cant control me. And for that matter I will NOT take my meds, because that's a form of control as well.
Dying wage

Natchitoches, LA

#2030 Mar 28, 2014
Circle Jerk wrote:
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Solyndra ... One company ... Get real. That's the best you got?
Education ... Just like healthcare, we spend more than any other country, but don't get the bang for our buck. Does not mean education is not important, just that our system is inefficient. Kids in many other countries go to school from 8 to 5, 10 months a year. Time for us to revamp our education system from an agrarian calendar.
Every person uses healthcare. Who do you think pays for visits to the emergency room by the uninsured? All the rest of us ... That's socialism! You mean to tell me that making everyone pay their own way on healthcare insurance is socialism? Take your meds, you're running around in circles again!
Abound Solar, A123 Systems, Ener1, Range Fuels, need I go on? There are many more.

The companies that only need restrictions lifted go by the motto "drill, baby, drill".

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