Obama proposes assault-weapons ban, universal gun-buyer background checks

Jan 16, 2013 Full story: Daily Camera 60

Braced for a fight, President Barack Obama on Wednesday unveiled the most sweeping proposals for curbing gun violence in two decades, pressing a reluctant Congress to pass universal background checks and bans on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines like the ones used in the Newtown, Conn., school shooting.

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downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#42 Jan 17, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Well, I guess mowing down little kids with 100-shot firearms is okay then.
100 round magazines are after market and jam nine out of ten times so it isn't the smartest magazine to try to commit mayhem with. I believe the Aurora theater shooter's rifle jammed because of his high capacity mag. The VA Tech shooter had a 9mm handgun and a .22 handgun and he kept reloading and killed thirty two. The last mass shooting in the UK left twelve dead and eleven wounded. The weapons? A double barrel shotgun and a bolt action .22 rifle.

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#43 Jan 17, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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100 round magazines are after market and jam nine out of ten times so it isn't the smartest magazine to try to commit mayhem with. I believe the Aurora theater shooter's rifle jammed because of his high capacity mag. The VA Tech shooter had a 9mm handgun and a .22 handgun and he kept reloading and killed thirty two. The last mass shooting in the UK left twelve dead and eleven wounded. The weapons? A double barrel shotgun and a bolt action .22 rifle.
Well, by all means let's make firearms more efficient at killing. Can't have any pesky misfires.

I notice you didn't mention the tragedy in Connecticut. The instrument of choice was a high capacity assault weapon.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#44 Jan 18, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Well, by all means let's make firearms more efficient at killing. Can't have any pesky misfires.
I notice you didn't mention the tragedy in Connecticut. The instrument of choice was a high capacity assault weapon.
Are you so stupid to think that made any difference, the guy practiced with the gun so I assume he knew how it worked. It would not matter if he had a bunch of 30 round magazines or a bunch of 10 round magazines. The sick coward was going after children did not use near all of his ammunition he could have done the same thing with a pistol and a bunch of magazines poor kids had no chance. You want to think about things that matter, think about mental health, school security and gun owners not letting nuts and criminals get a hold of their guns.

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#45 Jan 18, 2013
Robert wrote:
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Are you so stupid to think that made any difference, the guy practiced with the gun so I assume he knew how it worked. It would not matter if he had a bunch of 30 round magazines or a bunch of 10 round magazines. The sick coward was going after children did not use near all of his ammunition he could have done the same thing with a pistol and a bunch of magazines poor kids had no chance. You want to think about things that matter, think about mental health, school security and gun owners not letting nuts and criminals get a hold of their guns.
The guy also had regular firearms with him, but chose not to use them, preferring to mow children down with more efficiency.
I suggest you know what you're talking about before opening your fat mouth.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#46 Jan 18, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>The guy also had regular firearms with him, but chose not to use them, preferring to mow children down with more efficiency.
I suggest you know what you're talking about before opening your fat mouth.
you make my point, you can yell and scream about a particular rifle but trying to ban it will do nothing, as you said he had regular guns with him, he could have used them to the same effect. You are battling windmills trying to blame it on a particular type of gun.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#47 Jan 18, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Well, by all means let's make firearms more efficient at killing. Can't have any pesky misfires.
I notice you didn't mention the tragedy in Connecticut. The instrument of choice was a high capacity assault weapon.
On 9/11/01 it was box cutters. Those box cutters were responsible for the murder of more people in one day than assault style weapons were responsible for in the decade since.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#48 Jan 18, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>The guy also had regular firearms with him, but chose not to use them, preferring to mow children down with more efficiency.
I suggest you know what you're talking about before opening your fat mouth.


The VA Tech shooter killed more people with handguns. The Luby Restaurant massacre was done with one handgun.

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#49 Jan 18, 2013
Robert wrote:
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you make my point, you can yell and scream about a particular rifle but trying to ban it will do nothing, as you said he had regular guns with him, he could have used them to the same effect. You are battling windmills trying to blame it on a particular type of gun.
Nice distortion of what I said, and of the facts involved. The killer decided that his assault weapon was far more efficient than his "regular" guns.

Here's the point, Robert. People are being killed by guns. Little children, who hardly had a start in life, are being killed by guns. I don't give a rat's ass about gun nuts' distortions of the second amendment. Personal freedoms stop at the water's edge - at the point where society's freedoms are threatened.

The time for the usual gun freedom psychotic bullshit is over. We must protect the rest of our citizens from the deranged gun idiots, especially those who believe our own federal government is about to attack them. That insane belief alone should disqualify a person from owning a firearm.

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#50 Jan 18, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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On 9/11/01 it was box cutters. Those box cutters were responsible for the murder of more people in one day than assault style weapons were responsible for in the decade since.
So? Let's add every killing instrument we can, just to make things easier.
the rest of us

Saint Paul, MN

#51 Jan 18, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text> People are being killed by guns. Little children, who hardly had a start in life, are being killed by guns. I don't give a rat's ass about gun nuts' distortions of the second amendment. Personal freedoms stop at the water's edge - at the point where society's freedoms are threatened.
The time for the usual gun freedom psychotic bullshit is over. We must protect the rest of our citizens from the deranged gun idiots, especially those who believe our own federal government is about to attack them. That insane belief alone should disqualify a person from owning a firearm.
LOLOLOLOL....Lawrena get mad as HE has the solution....LOLOLOL. This might explain your struggle for success in life. Buy a car or you're a racist, rightwing psycho.....LOLOLOL!
Oh Lawrena, you are such a little girl.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#52 Jan 19, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Nice distortion of what I said, and of the facts involved. The killer decided that his assault weapon was far more efficient than his "regular" guns.
Here's the point, Robert. People are being killed by guns. Little children, who hardly had a start in life, are being killed by guns. I don't give a rat's ass about gun nuts' distortions of the second amendment. Personal freedoms stop at the water's edge - at the point where society's freedoms are threatened.
The time for the usual gun freedom psychotic bullshit is over. We must protect the rest of our citizens from the deranged gun idiots, especially those who believe our own federal government is about to attack them. That insane belief alone should disqualify a person from owning a firearm.
Obama's proposal would not have stopped that from happening. He did not own guns, his mother did, he did not go through a background check, his mother did, and you don't have to have efficient military like weapons to kill kids, the only gun control that would actually have an effect that incident would be to take away all the guns, then his mother would not have a gun for him to have used and that is where this sort of thing heads. I am against it as is the constitution.

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#53 Jan 19, 2013
Robert wrote:
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Obama's proposal would not have stopped that from happening. He did not own guns, his mother did, he did not go through a background check, his mother did, and you don't have to have efficient military like weapons to kill kids, the only gun control that would actually have an effect that incident would be to take away all the guns, then his mother would not have a gun for him to have used and that is where this sort of thing heads. I am against it as is the constitution.
We're talking about reducing the gun violence, not eliminating it. The specific case you mention might not have been avoided, but that does not give us a reason not to try. There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents us from having thorough background checks. Anyone who opposes background checks is, in my opinion, grossly irresponsible.
Get This

Minneapolis, MN

#54 Jan 19, 2013
Sooo the replacement Sandy Hook ES is protected by many armed guards.

NOT by larger "Gun Free Zone" signs.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#55 Jan 19, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>We're talking about reducing the gun violence, not eliminating it. The specific case you mention might not have been avoided, but that does not give us a reason not to try. There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents us from having thorough background checks. Anyone who opposes background checks is, in my opinion, grossly irresponsible.
It won't be effective because criminals and crazy people do not acquire guns through illegitimate sources so they will not be checked. Last time I bought a gun they did a background check anyway. If all you want to do is reduce gun violence then you reduce violent crime, you do that by keeping these criminals in jail. Criminals are constantly in and out of jail and not punished like they should be, the other thing you can do if all you are interested in is gun violence is drop the war on drugs. So called drug violence is caused by drug money which is caused by the government creating a black market for the drugs just like it did with alcohol. What ever negative effects we go through because drugs are legal will be less damaging than the violence and corruptions we get from the drug black market.

If you need any other problems solved just let me know.
Get This

Minneapolis, MN

#56 Jan 19, 2013
Robert wrote:
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It won't be effective because criminals and crazy people do not acquire guns through illegitimate sources so they will not be checked. Last time I bought a gun they did a background check anyway. If all you want to do is reduce gun violence then you reduce violent crime, you do that by keeping these criminals in jail. Criminals are constantly in and out of jail and not punished like they should be, the other thing you can do if all you are interested in is gun violence is drop the war on drugs. So called drug violence is caused by drug money which is caused by the government creating a black market for the drugs just like it did with alcohol. What ever negative effects we go through because drugs are legal will be less damaging than the violence and corruptions we get from the drug black market.
If you need any other problems solved just let me know.
You knocked it out of the park..

If criminals in the cities in the Blue states were stored in prison ALL CRIME would plummet.

However the Honorable President Obama has chosen to ignore Blue state crime so the revolving door judicial system just keeps on turning out hardened criminals who recommit and go back to prison UNTIL they are killed doing a crime.

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#57 Jan 19, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
It won't be effective because criminals and crazy people do not acquire guns through illegitimate sources so they will not be checked. Last time I bought a gun they did a background check anyway. If all you want to do is reduce gun violence then you reduce violent crime, you do that by keeping these criminals in jail. Criminals are constantly in and out of jail and not punished like they should be, the other thing you can do if all you are interested in is gun violence is drop the war on drugs. So called drug violence is caused by drug money which is caused by the government creating a black market for the drugs just like it did with alcohol. What ever negative effects we go through because drugs are legal will be less damaging than the violence and corruptions we get from the drug black market.
If you need any other problems solved just let me know.
You make a good point, which brings to mind something I would like to see done. Penalties for illegal gun sales should be severe enough to discourage that activity. If some of these cretins knew they could get, say, a 30-year sentence for an illegal sale, I think it would be a lot harder for criminals to have access to them.
In addition to the above, I believe no one should be allowed to legally own a firearm without being thoroughly screened for past criminal activity, mental history, etc. Qualifying to own a gun should be difficult, not easy.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#58 Jan 19, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>So? Let's add every killing instrument we can, just to make things easier.
Okay, I'll start. A frozen leg of lamb can be used as a club and then you can thaw, cook and then eat the murder weapon.

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#59 Jan 19, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Okay, I'll start. A frozen leg of lamb can be used as a club and then you can thaw, cook and then eat the murder weapon.
We're talking about assault weapons, not salt weapons.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#60 Jan 19, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>You make a good point, which brings to mind something I would like to see done. Penalties for illegal gun sales should be severe enough to discourage that activity. If some of these cretins knew they could get, say, a 30-year sentence for an illegal sale, I think it would be a lot harder for criminals to have access to them.
In addition to the above, I believe no one should be allowed to legally own a firearm without being thoroughly screened for past criminal activity, mental history, etc. Qualifying to own a gun should be difficult, not easy.
I think they are pretty stiff but there is not enough follow up on the gun traces. The feds can't do it all, I think local police should spare a few cops from revenue generation on the highway with the radar gun and follow some of the gun trails when they catch a criminal with one to see who else needs arresting.
Lawton

Minneapolis, MN

#61 Jan 21, 2013
Robert wrote:
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I think they are pretty stiff but there is not enough follow up on the gun traces. The feds can't do it all, I think local police should spare a few cops from revenue generation on the highway with the radar gun and follow some of the gun trails when they catch a criminal with one to see who else needs arresting.
Let's just arrest everyone, do you think there are adaquate prisons to hold everyone?

Criminals get guns by taking them from the lawful owner, questions?

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