Should the Diocese of PGH make any ch...

Should the Diocese of PGH make any changes in Monongahela?

Created by BDZ on Apr 25, 2010

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Yes - It is about time

No - Why fix what is not broke

Jaded

Monongahela, PA

#1 Apr 26, 2010
It will be a shame there is great history at both parishes. The diocese should leave it alone, but they will not.
Pontius Pilate

Pittsburgh, PA

#2 Apr 26, 2010
Sure, get rid of St.Anthony's.
BDZ

Belle Vernon, PA

#3 Apr 26, 2010
It will be unfortunate for either. They are both great parishes.
John the Baptist

Belle Vernon, PA

#4 Apr 26, 2010
If you take finances only into account, St Anthony's is in debt - Transfiguration is solvent...so from this angle, you keep the parish that has its head up above water....
Our Lady of Guadalupe

Belle Vernon, PA

#5 Apr 28, 2010
It's difficult to find another community the size of Mon City that is home to two separate parishes. St. Anthony's just brought in a terrific preist who is trying hard to revamp the finances - Fr. Bob is a very compassionate, yet business-minded guy. However, I've always said that because of the school-affiliation, Transfiguration will prevail. They also have a fantastic priest in Fr. George. In fact, I would say that both men are very similar and in a merger situation, if both pastors were to stay on board, it could very well work.
Fred Ziffel

Monongahela, PA

#6 Apr 29, 2010
The two churches cover Monongahela, New Eagle, Carroll, parts of Fallowfield, Union and Forward Township plus. Add up those demos. Ten minutes away a new church is built. You cannot compare this area to the rest of the valley. They need to do whatever they will do and get it over. What people think does not matter.
Anon00

Pittsburgh, PA

#7 May 3, 2010
Although I love and grew up at St. Anthony's... church is church. And no matter what happens, at least we will still have a place to go and be with God. I mean, it could always be worse.
The only thing I fear about the merger is parking and space if everyone attends services at the Transfiguration location. Many other churches in that area have services around the same time, and parking is difficult already.
Simon The Sinister

United States

#8 May 3, 2010
They have announced mtg dates and times for each of the parishes so the flock and go and be brought up to speed by those in the know. Hopefully this is squash the rumor mill.

What I find to be interesting is that both Transfig and St Anthony's have church halls and the actual church for that matter yet they have elected to have this mtg at Ringgold High School?????? Why? One would only guess that it's because they felt that neither place could accommidate the amount of people who will attend. If that's the case how will they accommidate ll the people thru a merger for weekly & holiday masses? Have 6 each weekend?

ST ANTHONY'S:
* Nice Church
* School Hall & classrooms(for CCD classes)
* Ample Parking
* Great venue in the old playground which is now used for the Festa amongst other things. If marketed correctly weekly money could be made by renting out the kitchen & pavillion on a more consistent basis. I say enclose the area and be able to rent it out all year long.
* Great annual Festa which makes $$$$$ which is why it's even more amazing and scary that it's....
*$70,000.00 PLUS IN DEBT. This is a FACT folks. Those close to the situation know it is true.

TRANSFIGURATION:
* Nice historic church
* Opened school with students attending
* School hall & classrooms for CDD
* Parking is a huge concern especially for the elderly.
* No fair grounds, needs to ulitize Chess Park. Weak annual Festa. I do not know if they make money or not but it does not even compair to
St A's.
* IS FINANCIALLY SOLVENT. ZERO DEBT.

Looking at this from a business prospective both have +'s and -'s. Based on what I wrote above I would give the nod to St Anthony's based purely on their fair grounds (potential) and available parking. The WHY in the debt is a huge concern. Why are they in debt? Where did the money go?

Transfig will end up the Mother Church in this for two simple reasons. They are not in debt and they have an open active school.

My view is both have enough +'s to stay open. I'm certain that Fr Coyne will get to the bottom of the $$$ issues at St A's and correct them.
Fr Guido Sarduchi

Belle Vernon, PA

#9 May 3, 2010
@Simon....You make very good points.....I think the problem with the "Why" in the St Anthony's debt problem has been solved with Fr Coyne being in charge - the priest he replaced is no longer there - addition by subtraction.....

Additional masses will need to be added.....If you're right and St Anthony's closes, with Transfiguration @75% capacity or more at their masses now, there has to be more masses.....

Not only is St Anthony's in debt but it has been yrs since that parish was able to contribute their share to the school for what they are required to pay per student ( for the students that attend Madonna that are St anthonys parishioners)
Sister Mary Habit

Monongahela, PA

#10 May 3, 2010
Transfig has more level parking and the ability to make more where the convent is. Main Street location in beautiful historic area. The Chess Park is gorgeous for festivals and makes a good profit. Saint Anthony has nice functional Festa fairgrounds and makes profit. Saint Anthony has marble altar and nice newly paved driveway. Plus nice new grotto. I would go to either if God does.

We all are Catholics here!!
Member of the Church

Canonsburg, PA

#11 May 5, 2010
In my opinion, the current situation facing the Church in the Mid Mon Valley is due to three things. They are the demographics of the area, the economic conditions and the decline in priests. In an attempt to preserve the services provided by the local Church the diocese decided to consolidate church buildings. Obviously this will disrupt the nature of the Church in the valley as parishioners try and deal with the sadness and anger they will feel as a result of closing buildings. This kind of decision can never make everyone happy. I contend, that it makes everyone unhappy. This sadness is real and it hurts. People will be angry, sad, and some will likely be resentful. If not, we would not be human. Like the loss of a loved one, time will heal most of the hurt and may leave painful memories that will dim as time passes. After the sorrow, we can choose to linger in the sadness or continue on and pick up the pieces that remain.

You can agree or disagree with the diocese. You can agree with or disagree with the outcome of the process. We must however, as a community, look at some point, forward. We all need to look forward to the new face of the (newly consolidated) Church in the valley. Although it will not be the same, it will be great again, someday. The sadness will come from the memories of the good times. The children, whose legacy is about to be defined, need to know it will be ok. The Church of their parents may not be the same for them. Uneasyness will be felt by all. Lets grieve and then move ahead.

As for the school closing, I think not. Although Madonna Catholic Regional School has also felt the bite of the current conditions in the Valley, I know the school is here to stay. Like the Church, the Church schools in the Valley have already gone through the consolidation process over ten years ago. Madonna Catholic Regional School is better for it. By pooling resources the Church has been committed to the success of the regional school for over a decade. It is through the commitment of the parishioners of the Valley that Madonnaís excellent rating as a school has been achieved. This is how I know the Church will survive as well. We will need to work together to get through the storm of consolidating the church buildings as we look forward to reshaping the Church in the Mid Mon Valley. Letís be mindful of the feelings of all as we move forward. Letís be mindful of the memories and the traditions of our Church as we come together as a community. The Church should not change as we change the footprint of its buildings.
EX POW TRANSFIGURATION

Mckeesport, PA

#12 May 5, 2010
I've known what is going to happen for several months. My problems are #1 The diocese should have been honest about what they are going to do to StAnthonys church!#2 When the deed is done the Italians and the irish need to settle long standing grudges from as long as 100 years duh why do you think StAnthonys was founded because the irish and germans did'nt want italians ,slavs,poles,hispanics and other east europeans in there church!
Father Time

Belle Vernon, PA

#13 May 5, 2010
Member of the Church wrote:
In my opinion, the current situation facing the Church in the Mid Mon Valley is due to three things. They are the demographics of the area, the economic conditions and the decline in priests. In an attempt to preserve the services provided by the local Church the diocese decided to consolidate church buildings. Obviously this will disrupt the nature of the Church in the valley as parishioners try and deal with the sadness and anger they will feel as a result of closing buildings. This kind of decision can never make everyone happy. I contend, that it makes everyone unhappy. This sadness is real and it hurts. People will be angry, sad, and some will likely be resentful. If not, we would not be human. Like the loss of a loved one, time will heal most of the hurt and may leave painful memories that will dim as time passes. After the sorrow, we can choose to linger in the sadness or continue on and pick up the pieces that remain.
You can agree or disagree with the diocese. You can agree with or disagree with the outcome of the process. We must however, as a community, look at some point, forward. We all need to look forward to the new face of the (newly consolidated) Church in the valley. Although it will not be the same, it will be great again, someday. The sadness will come from the memories of the good times. The children, whose legacy is about to be defined, need to know it will be ok. The Church of their parents may not be the same for them. Uneasyness will be felt by all. Lets grieve and then move ahead.
As for the school closing, I think not. Although Madonna Catholic Regional School has also felt the bite of the current conditions in the Valley, I know the school is here to stay. Like the Church, the Church schools in the Valley have already gone through the consolidation process over ten years ago. Madonna Catholic Regional School is better for it. By pooling resources the Church has been committed to the success of the regional school for over a decade. It is through the commitment of the parishioners of the Valley that Madonnaís excellent rating as a school has been achieved. This is how I know the Church will survive as well. We will need to work together to get through the storm of consolidating the church buildings as we look forward to reshaping the Church in the Mid Mon Valley. Letís be mindful of the feelings of all as we move forward. Letís be mindful of the memories and the traditions of our Church as we come together as a community. The Church should not change as we change the footprint of its buildings.
Why did you bring up the school closing issue? I dont recall anyone bringing it up in the previous comments..Is the school closing something that is being discussed?
Accountable

Monongahela, PA

#14 May 6, 2010
First someone told me it was in the paper that one or both schools would close. Did anyone else see that? Second, Instead of everyone fighting the best advice that I can give is watch the dollars. We will go to one church it cannot be stopped. When assets are sold the parishioners need an advocate to watch or oversee the money. See the parishioners of both churches need to organize or they will be burned. Consolidation is inevitable. While the parishioners are focused on fighting the inevitable the money is not being watched. I guarantee you the diocese watches every last cent in these churches but who is looking out for the people. I am not saying that you cannot trust the diocese. I am saying it is only fair that the people have the ability to oversee where the money is going. Where did the MVC money go? The donors did not get a refund. People need to quit being stupid. You will not win the fight of consolidation. However if you do not organize and demand oversight how will you know if things are done appropriately. Prediction : Because the people will focus all of their energy on winning the unwinable battle or quit from frustration, they will fail to obtain true accountability from the diocese and will be burned twice instead of once. Everyone needs to organize (both churches) outside of the church and demand oversight. When its done and you want to quit cause you don't like the building they choose then quit then. Believe me if the diocese can profit from this they will. Consider MVC, consider the property Transfig gave away cheap. We need oversight.
Rotundini warrior

Mckeesport, PA

#15 May 6, 2010
What i want to know is why is the diocese going to hold one of their meetings 5/12/10 at ringgold high school cafeteria? Their is not enough room to hold all the people comeing!Is this being done on purpose? I will be there 3 hours early to make sure i can be at the meeting!
connie

Mckeesport, PA

#16 May 12, 2010
Rotundini warrior wrote:
What i want to know is why is the diocese going to hold one of their meetings 5/12/10 at ringgold high school cafeteria? Their is not enough room to hold all the people comeing!Is this being done on purpose? I will be there 3 hours early to make sure i can be at the meeting!
That is a good question.
Barney

Mckeesport, PA

#17 May 12, 2010
The deacon and school principal were rude and condeseding at times last nite at the meeting.
Fr Time

Belle Vernon, PA

#18 May 13, 2010
Barney wrote:
The deacon and school principal were rude and condeseding at times last nite at the meeting.
a little more info please....do you know their names? What topics of conversation caused them to be rude? thanks

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