Mokena Fire Burned Another House Down

Mokena Fire Burned Another House Down

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Mokena Resident

Orland Park, IL

#1 Aug 10, 2010
What is going on? I see Mokena burned another house down. We need change. My neighbor’s brother is a firefighter and he told us no one would come out and assist Mokena in investigating the fire. They had to beg other departments in the area to come out. We must not have people to do this or who are competent. Why is this?

First Mokena Fire Department burns a house down once again and then because none of the other fire departments in the area like Mokena Fire Department we have to beg for other departments to come and figure out how a fire in our town started. This is ridiculous.
Angry Mob

United States

#2 Aug 10, 2010
You couldn't be more mistaken. There were a ton of other FD's out there in the heat. Your just looking to start another fight. If you weren't there you don't know.
lies lies lies

Wayne, IL

#3 Aug 10, 2010
The home was fully involved before fire arrived on the scene and was in no way able to be saved. And assistance was more than generous from multiple fire agencies. Go crawl back in your hole and try again some other day. Everyone should be grateful for the job all the firefighters did in battling a ferocious fire. And more importantly glad that nobody was injured in this very dangerous situation. By the way not a fire fighter just an observer from the neighbor hood.
Blah

Oak Lawn, IL

#4 Aug 10, 2010
was that near the other house that was burned up a while ago?
Edward is Pete

Waterloo, Canada

#5 Aug 11, 2010
I think we should get rid of the schools the fire department and the police I'm Pete and I like forest preserves. Seriously though all the services in this town do a great job with what they have to work with.
Fire Inv

Harvey, IL

#6 Aug 11, 2010
I am a fire Investigator from MABAS 24. It is very apparent Lies Lies Lies is a firefighter. I am not going to get into the tactics or how Mokena FPD is but I will say this. There is some type of problem that is very evident and glaring between MABAS 19 fire investigators and Mokena. It also appears MABAS 22 is in with MABAS 19.

Chief Golden you need to address this problem and fix it. It should not have come to the point of calling out all of the other divisions and task force to investigate a single house fire with no injuries or fatalities. What ever problem you have address them. MABAS 24 will not continue to come and spend precious money on payroll because you are in some type of tiff with MABAS 19 fire investigators. We do not have the luxury of having a lot of money and to allocate overtime to personnel to investigate a fire because you have internal problems is nothing short of ridiculous. FIX YOUR PROBLEMS.
lies lies lies

Wayne, IL

#7 Aug 11, 2010
Fire Inv wrote:
I am a fire Investigator from MABAS 24. It is very apparent Lies Lies Lies is a firefighter. I am not going to get into the tactics or how Mokena FPD is but I will say this. There is some type of problem that is very evident and glaring between MABAS 19 fire investigators and Mokena. It also appears MABAS 22 is in with MABAS 19.
Chief Golden you need to address this problem and fix it. It should not have come to the point of calling out all of the other divisions and task force to investigate a single house fire with no injuries or fatalities. What ever problem you have address them. MABAS 24 will not continue to come and spend precious money on payroll because you are in some type of tiff with MABAS 19 fire investigators. We do not have the luxury of having a lot of money and to allocate overtime to personnel to investigate a fire because you have internal problems is nothing short of ridiculous. FIX YOUR PROBLEMS.
Well investigate the fact that you dont know how to tell a fireman from a police officer. I am not now nor have I ever been a fireman. I do however live in the neighborhood and work as a police officer. So dont assume you know your ass from a hole in the ground. As far as the "problems or politics" between MABAS 24 or any other MABAS I wont assume to know that aspect. Hell I dont even know what a MABAS is. My comments stand as for the house being gone before fire even arrived. And I also stand beside my comments thanking all firefighters for their efforts(even you if you were on scene). And even more so that no one was hurt. At the end of the day thats what matters to me. Maybe you need to get your priorities straight. Good luck to you and stay safe.
Firefighter

Chicago, IL

#8 Aug 12, 2010
lies lies lies wrote:
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Well investigate the fact that you dont know how to tell a fireman from a police officer. I am not now nor have I ever been a fireman. I do however live in the neighborhood and work as a police officer. So dont assume you know your ass from a hole in the ground. As far as the "problems or politics" between MABAS 24 or any other MABAS I wont assume to know that aspect. Hell I dont even know what a MABAS is. My comments stand as for the house being gone before fire even arrived. And I also stand beside my comments thanking all firefighters for their efforts(even you if you were on scene). And even more so that no one was hurt. At the end of the day thats what matters to me. Maybe you need to get your priorities straight. Good luck to you and stay safe.
To Lies Lies Lies. I was there. I agree with you the house was well involved prior to the fire district arriving on scene.

I agree with most of your comments. I work for Tinley Park part-time and for Naperville full time. I do not agree with your about priorities. It is time for Mokena to get their priorities straight. They are letting politics get in the way of their operations. If you are as concerned as you claim and if no one gets hurt is what really matters to you then you should be appauled as to why Mokena had to call on several other divisions to get investigators to the scene and why are they calling Oak Forest to the scene when Orland station 6 was the second closest firehouse and they were never summoned to the scene.

You as a resident should be at the next meeting and tell the trustees you are in public safety. Ask why the second closest fire engine was not called to the scene. After all as you stated you are concerned about the safety of I would believe not only the firefighters but the possible occupants of the dwelling. I know our chief's in Tinley raised some eye brows and were questioning why was the second closest firehouse not dispatched but Oak Forest was. Where is the sense in that?
trickle down effect

Naperville, IL

#9 Aug 12, 2010
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text>To Lies Lies Lies. I was there. I agree with you the house was well involved prior to the fire district arriving on scene.
I agree with most of your comments. I work for Tinley Park part-time and for Naperville full time. I do not agree with your about priorities. It is time for Mokena to get their priorities straight. They are letting politics get in the way of their operations. If you are as concerned as you claim and if no one gets hurt is what really matters to you then you should be appauled as to why Mokena had to call on several other divisions to get investigators to the scene and why are they calling Oak Forest to the scene when Orland station 6 was the second closest firehouse and they were never summoned to the scene.
You as a resident should be at the next meeting and tell the trustees you are in public safety. Ask why the second closest fire engine was not called to the scene. After all as you stated you are concerned about the safety of I would believe not only the firefighters but the possible occupants of the dwelling. I know our chief's in Tinley raised some eye brows and were questioning why was the second closest firehouse not dispatched but Oak Forest was. Where is the sense in that?
What I meant by priorities was everyone goes home safe at the end of the day. If Mokena and Orland are having some problems and letting politics and egos come before safety then that definitley needs to be worked out. But as you well know I could attend every meeting and hop on one leg with my ass on fire and it wont change their minds. If Ted and Bryant need to sit down and work things out then let it happen. If its the trustees then so be it. All I can tell you is this. There are officers on my own department and other departments that I dont like personally. But I will be damned if I would let that stop me from assisting them on the street. I dont ask everyone to smoke from the pipe and sing Koombaya? but do your job and work together.
Fire Inv

Harvey, IL

#10 Aug 12, 2010
trickle down effect wrote:
<quoted text>
What I meant by priorities was everyone goes home safe at the end of the day. If Mokena and Orland are having some problems and letting politics and egos come before safety then that definitley needs to be worked out. But as you well know I could attend every meeting and hop on one leg with my ass on fire and it wont change their minds. If Ted and Bryant need to sit down and work things out then let it happen. If its the trustees then so be it. All I can tell you is this. There are officers on my own department and other departments that I dont like personally. But I will be damned if I would let that stop me from assisting them on the street. I dont ask everyone to smoke from the pipe and sing Koombaya? but do your job and work together.
I am an Oak Forest firefighter. It amazes me for a police officer who lives in Mokena Fire as you previously stated to refer to the chiefs by first name bases almost like you know them. I can tell you it is Mokena Ted and Howard who need to grow up and move on. On there last fire Mokena while the fire was still in progress sent Orland home. This is putting lives at risk. How can Mokena live with themselves should something devastating happen. And just think of the lawsuits that would come out for Mokena fire being inept and willful and want full. The courts are now holding public safety officials accountable for their actions. Look no further then Homewood. Tort Immunity no longer exists as it did years ago.

Ted if you are reading this other chiefs are now looking at you in a different light. You need to grow up and put the health and welfare of your firefighters and residents first. The last fire I was on in Orland the chief of Orland had no problem putting Mokena to work. Why does the chief’s of Mokena not reciprocate?

This is going to be addressed in MABAS 24. If Mokena is going to let politics get in the way we may take a stand in order to protect our firefighters and ask to be removed from all of Mokenas box cards. That is a reality. I hear MABAS 22 is going to do the same thing.
trickle down effect

Naperville, IL

#11 Aug 12, 2010
Fire Inv wrote:
<quoted text>I am an Oak Forest firefighter. It amazes me for a police officer who lives in Mokena Fire as you previously stated to refer to the chiefs by first name bases almost like you know them. I can tell you it is Mokena Ted and Howard who need to grow up and move on. On there last fire Mokena while the fire was still in progress sent Orland home. This is putting lives at risk. How can Mokena live with themselves should something devastating happen. And just think of the lawsuits that would come out for Mokena fire being inept and willful and want full. The courts are now holding public safety officials accountable for their actions. Look no further then Homewood. Tort Immunity no longer exists as it did years ago.
Ted if you are reading this other chiefs are now looking at you in a different light. You need to grow up and put the health and welfare of your firefighters and residents first. The last fire I was on in Orland the chief of Orland had no problem putting Mokena to work. Why does the chief’s of Mokena not reciprocate?
This is going to be addressed in MABAS 24. If Mokena is going to let politics get in the way we may take a stand in order to protect our firefighters and ask to be removed from all of Mokenas box cards. That is a reality. I hear MABAS 22 is going to do the same thing.
First of all it is possible for a police officer to know both fire chiefs personally. And I do. That said, if you read the post I stated that I dont want to see politics or any petty games stand in the way of the safety of us the residents or you the firefighter. If it is Ted who is having a problem then he needs to man up and sit down with Bryant and work it out. Hell lets all meet for a beer or two and hash it out. Okay I will drink beer and they can hash it out. Ted is a short timer and needs to leave knowing he did all he could to develop his department. So boys lets check the egos at the door and make it work. Again I dont know the whole insider fire crap and dont want to. Both sides need to be civil, professional and put safety first.
Fire Inv

Harvey, IL

#12 Aug 12, 2010
trickle down effect wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all it is possible for a police officer to know both fire chiefs personally. And I do. That said, if you read the post I stated that I dont want to see politics or any petty games stand in the way of the safety of us the residents or you the firefighter. If it is Ted who is having a problem then he needs to man up and sit down with Bryant and work it out. Hell lets all meet for a beer or two and hash it out. Okay I will drink beer and they can hash it out. Ted is a short timer and needs to leave knowing he did all he could to develop his department. So boys lets check the egos at the door and make it work. Again I dont know the whole insider fire crap and dont want to. Both sides need to be civil, professional and put safety first.
I agree with you and appreciate your honesty and straight forwardness. I will say this, it is Ted, Howard and Mokena who needs to get there priorities in order. It is not Bryant or Orland. Orland is not the department not calling for the second closest engine or truck to the scene. It is not Orland who is sending other departments home while a fire is still in progress solely on the basis of pettiness.

I said it before and will say it again Ted and Mokena under his command need to grow up. Trust me when I say this several other chiefs in the area have taken notice as to what they are doing. Ted go out on top, be a leader put your juvenile petty political hatred towards Orland aside. Time to grow up and move on. I feel sorry for you should something devastating happen and you have to try and defend your very poor decision making decisions. Man up boy people will look at you in a better light if you have the guts to do it.
trickle down effect

Naperville, IL

#13 Aug 12, 2010
Thanks and lets hope that what needs to happen, does happen and soon. Just out of curiosity what does MABAS mean. I am assuming it is some type of automatic mutual aid. Box alarm system? That has to be pretty close. You fire guys get all the toys and fancy acronyms. And citizens actually like you as well. What a life.
Closest

Morrison, IL

#14 Aug 12, 2010
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text>To Lies Lies Lies. I was there. I agree with you the house was well involved prior to the fire district arriving on scene.
I agree with most of your comments. I work for Tinley Park part-time and for Naperville full time. I do not agree with your about priorities. It is time for Mokena to get their priorities straight. They are letting politics get in the way of their operations. If you are as concerned as you claim and if no one gets hurt is what really matters to you then you should be appauled as to why Mokena had to call on several other divisions to get investigators to the scene and why are they calling Oak Forest to the scene when Orland station 6 was the second closest firehouse and they were never summoned to the scene.
You as a resident should be at the next meeting and tell the trustees you are in public safety. Ask why the second closest fire engine was not called to the scene. After all as you stated you are concerned about the safety of I would believe not only the firefighters but the possible occupants of the dwelling. I know our chief's in Tinley raised some eye brows and were questioning why was the second closest firehouse not dispatched but Oak Forest was. Where is the sense in that?
Second Closest? I wish I knew how you figure second closest. here is the mileage and it shows Orland as the 5th closest. That is alot different than second.

Engines
Mokena Station 1 -.8 miles
Mokena Station 3 - 3.0 miles
New Lenox Station 4 - 2.6 miles
Frankfort Station 5 - 2.7 miles
Orland Station 6 - 3.6 miles
Homer Station 2 - 5.2 miles

Trucks
Mokena Station 2 - 3.4 miles
Frankfort Station 1 - 5.4 miles
Tinley Station 4 - 6.2 miles
Orland Truck 4 - 6.7 miles
Orland Truck 1 - 9.0 miles

Lets see. That does not look second closest to me. Did you fail to mention that Orland did come change of Quarters to Mokena so Mokena could get coverage in town in the best interest of its citizens? Quit being an angry person trying to pick apart how a department operates. No matter what anyone does you got a better idea. Maybe you need your own department to run to show everyone else how its done. Maybe your rationale is why you have not been promoted, look in the mirror as change starts with you. Until then get a life!!!!!
Batgirl

Chicago, IL

#15 Aug 13, 2010
Hey look......the firemen are squabllin' again... SHOCKING!!!!!
Scratch Scabs

United States

#16 Aug 14, 2010
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text>To Lies Lies Lies. I was there. I agree with you the house was well involved prior to the fire district arriving on scene.
I agree with most of your comments. I work for Tinley Park part-time and for Naperville full time. I do not agree with your about priorities. It is time for Mokena to get their priorities straight. They are letting politics get in the way of their operations. If you are as concerned as you claim and if no one gets hurt is what really matters to you then you should be appauled as to why Mokena had to call on several other divisions to get investigators to the scene and why are they calling Oak Forest to the scene when Orland station 6 was the second closest firehouse and they were never summoned to the scene.
You as a resident should be at the next meeting and tell the trustees you are in public safety. Ask why the second closest fire engine was not called to the scene. After all as you stated you are concerned about the safety of I would believe not only the firefighters but the possible occupants of the dwelling. I know our chief's in Tinley raised some eye brows and were questioning why was the second closest firehouse not dispatched but Oak Forest was. Where is the sense in that?
I think you have bigger problems to worry about than Mokena's B.S. fire. http://www.dailyherald.com/story/... Your elected officials are going to rape your pension fund. You should use your time on that issue rather telling everyone that your a scab and your upset how Mokena runs a fire. Get a life and start fighting for things that are going to affect YOU!
Angry Mob

Warrenville, IL

#17 Aug 14, 2010
Don't let JD get wind of this. He'll jump right on board.. We have no money except for the $800,000 or so to repave roads that don't need paving. GREAT JOB DUMB A$$
rollover

Saint Charles, IL

#18 Aug 16, 2010
I've seen Mokena fire work (at least thats what they call it) they will try to get out of doing anything. They are lazy and I am not sure how well trained. Interesting how many house have burnt to the ground in surrounding towns? Sure does seem like Mokena is a winner in that catagory. That and the most basements saved!!
D BAG

Oswego, IL

#19 Aug 17, 2010
Let me see you pull up on a house that is well involved when you get there. You must be living in some fantasy world where you think you can put every fire out and save every house. It happens everywhere including the big cities such as Chicago and New York. Get over your ego. We have to many problems with trying to preotect our jobs and our pensions to sit on this site crying like little babies. You want to voice your opinion help Sugar Grove out at the district meeting about laying off 6 and demoting 2. Your opinion will go a lot farther there.

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