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anonymous

Spring, TX

#1 Oct 7, 2013
Unless you immediate get rid of Erie's useless politicians, useless unions and five economic groups who are totally incapable of doing their jobs, Erie has no future.
trevor

Toledo, OH

#2 Oct 7, 2013
Erie has a future... its a one tank trip from detroit !

erei needs a black mayor ...NOW
anonymous

Spring, TX

#3 Oct 7, 2013
Erie Politicians and the 5 Economic Development groups have no morals, ethics and accountability.
They know no one in Erie will hold them accountable.
Nasty

Fairview, PA

#4 Oct 7, 2013
anonymous wrote:
Unless you immediate get rid of Erie's useless politicians, useless unions and five economic groups who are totally incapable of doing their jobs, Erie has no future.
Let's say you got your wish and Erie's useless politicians, useless unions, and five economic groups were all gone,. You'd still have one major problem that gives rise to the above mentioned in the first place. You know the answer to that don't you ? Of course you do.
The problem with Erie, the one major and lasting entity that will never be overcome is the people themselves. How could I say such a thing ?!
Don't I know that its always and only about jobs, that it's never, ever the responsibility of the members of a community to change their habits. It's always the fault and responsibility of others to make life better, never the individual citizens.
Does it ever dawn on people how "useless politicians" attain their positions and power in the first place ? Don't people realize that they wouldn't need to cling to their "useless unions" if they would place more emphasis on breaking that cycle by focusing their energy and drive on education ? Would Erie even need so many useless economic groups if Erie were a more thriving community ?
See the perpetuating trap Erie is in and has been in seemingly forever ? I really question the intelligence of this area. To step in the same pile again and again, to see the same results time after time. Is that the mark of a city and region on its way up or down ?
It's incredible that very few ever realize this. And fewer still come out and say it. The truth does hurt, but without an admission of the truth the problems will only continue to expand.
I believe that Erie will never get this. If it had the capacity to put the brakes on such internal destruction then it would have done so years ago. As it is and will remain Erie's demise will escalate all the while it searches in vain for someone to blame.
trevor

Toledo, OH

#5 Oct 7, 2013
Nasty wrote:
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Let's say you got your wish and Erie's useless politicians, useless unions, and five economic groups were all gone,. You'd still have one major problem that gives rise to the above mentioned in the first place. You know the answer to that don't you ? Of course you do.
The problem with Erie, the one major and lasting entity that will never be overcome is the people themselves. How could I say such a thing ?!
Don't I know that its always and only about jobs, that it's never, ever the responsibility of the members of a community to change their habits. It's always the fault and responsibility of others to make life better, never the individual citizens.
Does it ever dawn on people how "useless politicians" attain their positions and power in the first place ? Don't people realize that they wouldn't need to cling to their "useless unions" if they would place more emphasis on breaking that cycle by focusing their energy and drive on education ? Would Erie even need so many useless economic groups if Erie were a more thriving community ?
See the perpetuating trap Erie is in and has been in seemingly forever ? I really question the intelligence of this area. To step in the same pile again and again, to see the same results time after time. Is that the mark of a city and region on its way up or down ?
It's incredible that very few ever realize this. And fewer still come out and say it. The truth does hurt, but without an admission of the truth the problems will only continue to expand.
I believe that Erie will never get this. If it had the capacity to put the brakes on such internal destruction then it would have done so years ago. As it is and will remain Erie's demise will escalate all the while it searches in vain for someone to blame.
why can't some one just say it... I will. Erie has turned black ! Where is Benny Wall... Wall for mayor
anonymous

Spring, TX

#6 Oct 7, 2013
Nasty: I agree completely with you but believe as Erie becomes another Detroit an outsider will need to be brought in. You can't have Harrisburg a bankrupt Capital trying to run Erie. You alos can't have Erie's mayor, city council and unions be soley responsible to turn the city around. You can' have the same people that perpetuated this financial crisiss be also responsible for fixing it. That will never happen.

The politicians, unions and the five economic groups have failed miserably. They have had years to fix the problems of the city and the baffoonery continues with no results.

If the Mayor, city council, unions and the five economic development groups had the experience of fixing the city of Erie's problems they would have years ago. To date, they have done nothing.

The City of Erie claims they do not want outsiders to come in and fix the cities problems but in my opinion that is just what they need. Outsiders who are not connected to the polititions, unions and economic groups could have a major impact. Unless outsiders with turnaround experience come into Erie the bafoonery will never stop. Someone needs to give Erie's politicians and unions a reality check.
trevor

Toledo, OH

#7 Oct 7, 2013
outsiders and ex erieites will someday return... but only to attend the city's funeral. They will attend the wake at erie's wannabee clubs and restaurnts,drink warm flat beer, cheap whisky , and local putrid wines. After the hangover subsides they will leave erie and return to their real world.
Nasty

Fairview, PA

#8 Oct 7, 2013
anonymous wrote:
Nasty: I agree completely with you but believe as Erie becomes another Detroit an outsider will need to be brought in. You can't have Harrisburg a bankrupt Capital trying to run Erie. You alos can't have Erie's mayor, city council and unions be soley responsible to turn the city around. You can' have the same people that perpetuated this financial crisiss be also responsible for fixing it. That will never happen.
The politicians, unions and the five economic groups have failed miserably. They have had years to fix the problems of the city and the baffoonery continues with no results.
If the Mayor, city council, unions and the five economic development groups had the experience of fixing the city of Erie's problems they would have years ago. To date, they have done nothing.
The City of Erie claims they do not want outsiders to come in and fix the cities problems but in my opinion that is just what they need. Outsiders who are not connected to the polititions, unions and economic groups could have a major impact. Unless outsiders with turnaround experience come into Erie the bafoonery will never stop. Someone needs to give Erie's politicians and unions a reality check.
I respect your point of view and your never say die for Erie attitude is admirable. It's no secret that I do not share that same optimism for this area which I blatantly broadcast with many of my posts.** Note to "Whatever"..... be sure to respond here but be a little more original and thought provoking, ok ?

I believe that if "outsiders" were to come in to "fix" things you would need to have more than just those with "turnaround experience". You would have to kick out a sizable portion of Erie's home grown population and bring in citizens to take their place who would be willing to account for themselves in a productive and forward thinking manner. What are the chances of that happening ?
All the movers and shakers in the world won't make much difference when you still have far too many unintelligent slugs living aimlessly and destructively as they have for generations. It's like trying to build a solid house by bringing in the best architect, the best contractor, and most skilled craftsmen. If these world's greatest builders are given severely warped boards, crumbling dry wall, and bent and rusted nails and screws you're not going to see a positive end product. That's what has ruined Erie. The material has gone bad, way past bad. Its too damaged to try salvaging anymore. That's why you won't get the best and the brightest to come here and why the best and brightest leave as often as they do.
They know, they know.
Not my problem

Mckeesport, PA

#9 Oct 7, 2013
At least we're not Youngstown.
anonymous

Spring, TX

#10 Oct 7, 2013
Nasty wrote:
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I respect your point of view and your never say die for Erie attitude is admirable. It's no secret that I do not share that same optimism for this area which I blatantly broadcast with many of my posts.** Note to "Whatever"..... be sure to respond here but be a little more original and thought provoking, ok ?
I believe that if "outsiders" were to come in to "fix" things you would need to have more than just those with "turnaround experience". You would have to kick out a sizable portion of Erie's home grown population and bring in citizens to take their place who would be willing to account for themselves in a productive and forward thinking manner. What are the chances of that happening ?
All the movers and shakers in the world won't make much difference when you still have far too many unintelligent slugs living aimlessly and destructively as they have for generations. It's like trying to build a solid house by bringing in the best architect, the best contractor, and most skilled craftsmen. If these world's greatest builders are given severely warped boards, crumbling dry wall, and bent and rusted nails and screws you're not going to see a positive end product. That's what has ruined Erie. The material has gone bad, way past bad. Its too damaged to try salvaging anymore. That's why you won't get the best and the brightest to come here and why the best and brightest leave as often as they do.
They know, they know.
The only way to get spome of the brightest to come to Erie is to start new businesses in all those old empty abandoned buildings. I have tried to get the Economic Development groups to give me a list of owners of all abandoned buildings in Erie to start business incubator companies. For 5 years no one at the economic groups can provide me with basic information on who owns all those abandoned buildings. Its like the economic development teams in Erie are poised to work against people that want to help the city.
Giving people the tools to start their own businesses would give them a self-worth and self-esteem and then their thinking would change.
Nasty

Fairview, PA

#11 Oct 7, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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The only way to get spome of the brightest to come to Erie is to start new businesses in all those old empty abandoned buildings. I have tried to get the Economic Development groups to give me a list of owners of all abandoned buildings in Erie to start business incubator companies. For 5 years no one at the economic groups can provide me with basic information on who owns all those abandoned buildings. Its like the economic development teams in Erie are poised to work against people that want to help the city.
Giving people the tools to start their own businesses would give them a self-worth and self-esteem and then their thinking would change.
But who will desire to take such a risk by filling those buildings with a business venture ? As I said before, Erie is well known damaged goods to outside business people. They know full well the economic climate here and even worse, they know about the low quality of candidates looking for jobs.
When you talk with local business owners you will learn that surprisingly there are more decent jobs available than you realized.
The trouble is that it's nearly impossible to find enough qualified candidates in Erie to fill the void. But why ? Lack of sufficient education and training ? That's one significant factor, but not the biggest stumbling block. Employers will tell you that the number one reason Erie people are ineligible for jobs is their failure to pass the drug screening tests. Pretty sad.
You'd have to be crazy to contemplate starting up new in Erie under those circumstances. Other than the usual low ended jobs like a pizza joint or convenience store, higher paying businesses routinely choose to steer far and wide of a town that refuses to clean up its act.
Nasty

Fairview, PA

#12 Oct 7, 2013
How'd I do "Whatever" ? Did I tick you off again ?
anonymous

Spring, TX

#13 Oct 10, 2013
Nasty: No you didn't tick me off again. I hear you. Here is an example. Years ago I started an 'up-scale soup kitchen run by the homeless' in a church to cater to white-collar workers Mon.- Fri. for lunch. Customers new in advance that 90% of all the profits would stay at the church for the homeless residents. At no cost, I brought in the culinary institute to train the homeless how to cook. Got a donation of tuxedo's to dress the homeless servers in tuxedo's. Had haircutters donate haircuts and people to do the nails of the homeless that would be serving. They taught the homeless not only kitchen prep and cooking but also how to serve the customer. It gave the homeless alot of self-esteem. The homeless did not get paid every day but a bank account was set up for them so when they graduated the class 12 months later, they had enough money to put a deposit on an apartment and buy a used car. We also worked with the homeless transfering their skills into a resume. The homeless ended from their experience getting jobs at restuarants.

I believe that 40% of all homeless can work if you work with them in the trenches. A portion of them can be trained and can end up being great employees.

This type of program is the least that can be done in Erie.

I have watched empty abandoned buildings erode on 12th st. for years with zero activity. I think the owners of those empty buildings might be interested in starting up new small businesses in all those empty buildings. After all they still have to pay taxes on them.

The problem I have incurred for the last 5 years is that no one at the Erie Economic Development or the Chamber or the five economic development groups in Erie will provide a list of who owns those abandoned empty buildings to even get something started.

City government is clueless on how to start new businesses since they do not have any training and are totally reliant on Harrisburg for any funding.
CRANK

Erie, PA

#14 Oct 10, 2013
Nasty wrote:
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But who will desire to take such a risk by filling those buildings with a business venture ? As I said before, Erie is well known damaged goods to outside business people. They know full well the economic climate here and even worse, they know about the low quality of candidates looking for jobs.
When you talk with local business owners you will learn that surprisingly there are more decent jobs available than you realized.
The trouble is that it's nearly impossible to find enough qualified candidates in Erie to fill the void. But why ? Lack of sufficient education and training ? That's one significant factor, but not the biggest stumbling block. Employers will tell you that the number one reason Erie people are ineligible for jobs is their failure to pass the drug screening tests. Pretty sad.
You'd have to be crazy to contemplate starting up new in Erie under those circumstances. Other than the usual low ended jobs like a pizza joint or convenience store, higher paying businesses routinely choose to steer far and wide of a town that refuses to clean up its act.
How right you are. Several years ago, a large multi-national supplier of ours, with multiple plants in several states was looking to relocate a couple of their smaller facilities gained through acquisition, into a single facility with a larger output capacity. One of their corporate vice presidents was in town to meet with us on a new application we were developing, and I asked him about the consolidation plans, and whether or not Erie would or could be considered, as I would be receiving product from the new plant. He laughed at me and said Erie would never be considered. He said he would be ridiculed if he even brought it up. He claimed site acquisition consultants have panned Erie for years, and went on to list a number of reasons why, starting with its labor relations reputation. He said if you want low productivity, plenty of labor problems and meddling politicians you might look at Erie. He went on to say that Erie also has a reputation of being difficult to work with to the extreme as far as the red tape hurdles associated with land development, zoning, tax policy and local interference. He then went on to talk about infrastructure issues, transportation issues and the lack of air service to anywhere business is, energy costs and other operational overhead cost drivers. He said he didn't think Pennsylvania's overall business climate was all that good to begin with, citing closed shop labor laws, high worker's comp and product liability insurance rates and other overhead items which he said would be cost drivers they do do better on in other places. They eventually located the plant in Indiana.

I've often thought of that conversation as I have watched events surrounding the casino development, and Erie's attempt to steal it from Summit Township, the issues surrounding the Lords move from Erie to Summit, the death of several proposed projects for Parade Street and State Street.
Nasty

Fairview, PA

#15 Oct 10, 2013
CRANK wrote:
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How right you are. Several years ago, a large multi-national supplier of ours, with multiple plants in several states was looking to relocate a couple of their smaller facilities gained through acquisition, into a single facility with a larger output capacity. One of their corporate vice presidents was in town to meet with us on a new application we were developing, and I asked him about the consolidation plans, and whether or not Erie would or could be considered, as I would be receiving product from the new plant. He laughed at me and said Erie would never be considered. He said he would be ridiculed if he even brought it up. He claimed site acquisition consultants have panned Erie for years, and went on to list a number of reasons why, starting with its labor relations reputation. He said if you want low productivity, plenty of labor problems and meddling politicians you might look at Erie. He went on to say that Erie also has a reputation of being difficult to work with to the extreme as far as the red tape hurdles associated with land development, zoning, tax policy and local interference. He then went on to talk about infrastructure issues, transportation issues and the lack of air service to anywhere business is, energy costs and other operational overhead cost drivers. He said he didn't think Pennsylvania's overall business climate was all that good to begin with, citing closed shop labor laws, high worker's comp and product liability insurance rates and other overhead items which he said would be cost drivers they do do better on in other places. They eventually located the plant in Indiana.
I've often thought of that conversation as I have watched events surrounding the casino development, and Erie's attempt to steal it from Summit Township, the issues surrounding the Lords move from Erie to Summit, the death of several proposed projects for Parade Street and State Street.
Thanks for that story Crank. So many blind fools here in Erie and on Topix that refuse to believe the hard truths. Best for Erie people to remain content with more pizza shops, dollar stores, and counter service jobs they can piece together to earn their 25k per year. Don't ever change Erie, you've got the life you've made for yourself and just what you deserve.
Whatever

Pittsburgh, PA

#16 Oct 11, 2013
Nasty wrote:
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I respect your point of view and your never say die for Erie attitude is admirable. It's no secret that I do not share that same optimism for this area which I blatantly broadcast with many of my posts.** Note to "Whatever"..... be sure to respond here but be a little more original and thought provoking, ok ?
I believe that if "outsiders" were to come in to "fix" things you would need to have more than just those with "turnaround experience". You would have to kick out a sizable portion of Erie's home grown population and bring in citizens to take their place who would be willing to account for themselves in a productive and forward thinking manner. What are the chances of that happening ?
All the movers and shakers in the world won't make much difference when you still have far too many unintelligent slugs living aimlessly and destructively as they have for generations. It's like trying to build a solid house by bringing in the best architect, the best contractor, and most skilled craftsmen. If these world's greatest builders are given severely warped boards, crumbling dry wall, and bent and rusted nails and screws you're not going to see a positive end product. That's what has ruined Erie. The material has gone bad, way past bad. Its too damaged to try salvaging anymore. That's why you won't get the best and the brightest to come here and why the best and brightest leave as often as they do.
They know, they know.
You are just a whiny little bitch on topix who likes to rant and rave about nothing.
Whatever

Pittsburgh, PA

#17 Oct 11, 2013
Nasty wrote:
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Thanks for that story Crank. So many blind fools here in Erie and on Topix that refuse to believe the hard truths. Best for Erie people to remain content with more pizza shops, dollar stores, and counter service jobs they can piece together to earn their 25k per year. Don't ever change Erie, you've got the life you've made for yourself and just what you deserve.
Another keyboard commando who is a self proclaimed messiah telling everyone on topix how horrible Erie is.Boo Hoo. Boo Hoo.
Nasty

Fairview, PA

#18 Oct 11, 2013
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>You are just a whiny little bitch on topix who likes to rant and rave about nothing.
And that's the most intelligent response you can come up with ? Good Job !
Ned Flanders

United States

#19 Oct 11, 2013
Nasty wrote:
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And that's the most intelligent response you can come up with ? Good Job !
Truth hurts, doesn't fart face.
Nasty

Fairview, PA

#20 Oct 11, 2013
Ned Flanders wrote:
<quoted text>Truth hurts, doesn't fart face.
I love it Ned. Nothing more fun on Topix than steering you clowns into your angry replies. Fart face ? Ouch, stop hurting me!
** Prediction: Next comes the usual street tough talk like...."you wouldn't have the balls to (fill in the blank)". As I said, keep up the entertainment but at least try to be original with your playground insults.
I'll check back in later. Going to play some golf while the weather holds out. Bet that'll cheese you off !
All by design my compulsive poster, all by design.

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