Last of the Mohican's

Last of the Mohican's

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Mohicn

Herkimer, NY

#1 Feb 11, 2013
There is no undoing or turning back after the Merge. The only question that remains is, " Is this merge 100% in the best interests of the children"? Think long and hard before you pull that lever tomorrow.
not a tough call

United States

#2 Feb 11, 2013
Have liked things less and less every year for more than 5yrs in Mohawk. Take me away.
DHB

Herkimer, NY

#3 Feb 11, 2013
Mohicn wrote:
There is no undoing or turning back after the Merge. The only question that remains is, " Is this merge 100% in the best interests of the children"? Think long and hard before you pull that lever tomorrow.
There is no undoing a non merger vote either. There are only 2 outcomes.....you either merge and have a school district you can afford, or you have to come up with millions immediately to keep both districts running separately. Which do you want for your children ? Despite all the rhetoric, I do not see people stepping up writing checks. The rest of the issues are all designed to muddy the waters with other issues.
OR--OR--OR

Syracuse, NY

#4 Feb 11, 2013
OR...you merge a district you can afford in the short term (1-3 years), and then in the long term, when the buzz wears off, you are F*ed and cannot afford anything, and start to make all of the cuts this merge promised to avoid.

The entire situation is in front of us because of the teachers union. All they had to do was make the same sacrifices or choices that the real world (private sector) make year after year (ie. small increaseson medical, salary freezes, smaller contributions to 401k...etc...)and we would not be having this conversation. Teachers are all selfish and lazy and want to be held hihg like kings. Even though it boils down to them barely working an 8 hour day and only for a contractual 181 days per year.

The merge will also fail because of the superintendent situation. The only way to be successful will be to cut both super's that are there now, and bring in an outsider (or even a firm) to run the district. Putting Tangora in place (or Biern for that matter) will only lead to favortism and bias laiden decisions, with personal interest and gain in my mind. Agree or disagree with this statement, the merge will fail because of Tangora.
or bs or bs

United States

#6 Feb 11, 2013
Maybe the state will discover they made a clerical error and we be will be getting a second check for another 42 million.

Or we'll find (by implanting a chip) teachers work an average of 12hrs per day.

And maybe some intellectually lacking people will discover most or all suggested sacrifices either can't be done contractually or are down right illegal.
New High School

New York, NY

#7 Feb 11, 2013
We should name the high school Cosimo Tangorra Jr. High School after its founding father. Wait using two teacher pay scales is illegal? But Cosimo said it wasn't at the Ilion forum. In Cosimo I Trust.
DHB

Herkimer, NY

#8 Feb 11, 2013
OR--OR--OR wrote:
OR...you merge a district you can afford in the short term (1-3 years), and then in the long term, when the buzz wears off, you are F*ed and cannot afford anything, and start to make all of the cuts this merge promised to avoid.
The entire situation is in front of us because of the teachers union. All they had to do was make the same sacrifices or choices that the real world (private sector) make year after year (ie. small increaseson medical, salary freezes, smaller contributions to 401k...etc...)and we would not be having this conversation. Teachers are all selfish and lazy and want to be held hihg like kings. Even though it boils down to them barely working an 8 hour day and only for a contractual 181 days per year.
The merge will also fail because of the superintendent situation. The only way to be successful will be to cut both super's that are there now, and bring in an outsider (or even a firm) to run the district. Putting Tangora in place (or Biern for that matter) will only lead to favortism and bias laiden decisions, with personal interest and gain in my mind. Agree or disagree with this statement, the merge will fail because of Tangora.
Got bad news for you OR OR OR.......I pay taxes in merged school districts. They can afford their schools and one even passed $8M in funding for artificial turf on their high school fields. Their teachers and administrations make lots more than yours do, so find others reasons for all of your woes.

You simply do NOT have the tax base to support individual village schools. Schools cost X and your tax base brings in far less. Soon you will be merging more services than schools. For all the distracting noise, the choices are still down to 2: Merge for a school district you can afford or PAY the difference if you vote against the merge. You will need millions ($$) and quick. I see you are not offering to come up with the millions, but you sure have no shortage of blame for everyone else. It is all the teacher's fault, it is all the administrations's fault, it is all the state's fault, you want everyone else to work for nothing, blah, blah, blah.

If you don't want to merge, come up with the cash.
MERGEMERGEMERGEM ERGEMERGE

New York, NY

#9 Feb 11, 2013
So stoked over the merger. Tomorrow Mohawk Central School and Ilion Central School will be voted out of existence. Then we can finally give the kids more classes than their schedules can handle and teach them that wasteful spending and poor management practices can always be covered up somehow.

This merger is ordained by God

Genesis 2:24 "That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh."

This bible verse chronicles one of the oldest known mergers in the book and tomorrow we witness the newest miracle!

Vote Yes!

Since: Dec 12

Oneida, NY

#10 Feb 11, 2013
MERGEMERGEMERGEMERGEMERGE wrote:
So stoked over the merger. Tomorrow Mohawk Central School and Ilion Central School will be voted out of existence. Then we can finally give the kids more classes than their schedules can handle and teach them that wasteful spending and poor management practices can always be covered up somehow.
This merger is ordained by God
Genesis 2:24 "That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh."
This bible verse chronicles one of the oldest known mergers in the book and tomorrow we witness the newest miracle!
Vote Yes!
Vote yes if your a retard. Vote No if you see the light. Make the Right Choice. Vote No for keeping the school districts seperated from each other.
jiggy

New York, NY

#11 Feb 11, 2013
I'm so glad we have a new sports fields, never needed it anyways, had to have lights at night but same old concession stand, oh I know the money was budgeted for it, thats why the state is BROKE, sometimes budgets need to change and the money may have to be used somewhere else, it just gave a few people temp employment. Spent all this money at Fisher and it may close or be used for god knows what. Let the chips fall where they may..........often wondered how ODY does it, school the size of a 1/4 of our schools and they have students do just fine without all this other crap

Since: Dec 12

Oneida, NY

#12 Feb 11, 2013
jiggy wrote:
I'm so glad we have a new sports fields, never needed it anyways, had to have lights at night but same old concession stand, oh I know the money was budgeted for it, thats why the state is BROKE, sometimes budgets need to change and the money may have to be used somewhere else, it just gave a few people temp employment. Spent all this money at Fisher and it may close or be used for god knows what. Let the chips fall where they may..........often wondered how ODY does it, school the size of a 1/4 of our schools and they have students do just fine without all this other crap
Right on man, you hit the nail right on the hammer.
right

New York, NY

#13 Feb 11, 2013
jiggy wrote:
I'm so glad we have a new sports fields, never needed it anyways, had to have lights at night but same old concession stand, oh I know the money was budgeted for it, thats why the state is BROKE, sometimes budgets need to change and the money may have to be used somewhere else, it just gave a few people temp employment. Spent all this money at Fisher and it may close or be used for god knows what. Let the chips fall where they may..........often wondered how ODY does it, school the size of a 1/4 of our schools and they have students do just fine without all this other crap
ODY has a foundation that supports the school, but that money has to be nearly gone, watch and see-or call and ask that is pretty simple, kinda like you.
Citizen 1

Syracuse, NY

#14 Feb 12, 2013
DHB wrote:
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Got bad news for you OR OR OR.......I pay taxes in merged school districts. They can afford their schools and one even passed $8M in funding for artificial turf on their high school fields. Their teachers and administrations make lots more than yours do, so find others reasons for all of your woes.
You simply do NOT have the tax base to support individual village schools. Schools cost X and your tax base brings in far less. Soon you will be merging more services than schools. For all the distracting noise, the choices are still down to 2: Merge for a school district you can afford or PAY the difference if you vote against the merge. You will need millions ($$) and quick. I see you are not offering to come up with the millions, but you sure have no shortage of blame for everyone else. It is all the teacher's fault, it is all the administrations's fault, it is all the state's fault, you want everyone else to work for nothing, blah, blah, blah.
If you don't want to merge, come up with the cash.
So DHB, where are you from? We would like to follow your financial plan for a merged district.
Citizen 1

Syracuse, NY

#15 Feb 12, 2013
BIGJOHNSON23 wrote:
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Right on man, you hit the nail right on the hammer.
I agree. Nice waste of NYS tax payers money. "It had to be spent", what a lame excuse they had then and it still holds today.
wow

Norwich, VT

#16 Feb 12, 2013
Citizen 1 wrote:
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So DHB, where are you from? We would like to follow your financial plan for a merged district.
Here's part of it asshool.

NEITHER district's debt is listed in the study. What is listed is the additional $725k we would realize when Mohawk's debt is aided at Ilion's more favorable bldg aid ratio. Also, Ilion's debt is $28m and Mohawk's is $12m, and the annual debt service from each district (that is principle and int paid) each fiscal year is similar in proportion to their respective budgets.
DHB

Herkimer, NY

#17 Feb 12, 2013
Citizen 1 wrote:
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So DHB, where are you from? We would like to follow your financial plan for a merged district.
Take a peek at the top 30 performing high schools in upstate New York. While I am from this place originally, I have paid taxes in 9 different locales through the years. School mergers are common outside of NYS as well. The greater problem is not that a merger would be a financially sound decision, but that voters have little life experience or perspective outside the Mohawk Valley. Taxes are cheaper elsewhere, schools are better elsewhere,there are communities that have lots of programs for their kids, there are plenty of NYS schools that are not starving to death, there are opportunities (even jobs) in abundance.......just not here. I am not convinced it has to be this way. However, changing that requires a change in thought process. I know change is frightening to some, but where we get this idea that we can continue the way we are is beyond me.
Agree

Frankfort, NY

#18 Feb 12, 2013
Well put DHB, well put. Unfortunately, the valley mindset doesn't see this.
sick of your poison

Tully, NY

#19 Feb 12, 2013
DHB wrote:
<quoted text>Got bad news for you OR OR OR.......I pay taxes in merged school districts. They can afford their schools and one even passed $8M in funding for artificial turf on their high school fields. Their teachers and administrations make lots more than yours do, so find others reasons for all of your woes.

You simply do NOT have the tax base to support individual village schools. Schools cost X and your tax base brings in far less. Soon you will be merging more services than schools. For all the distracting noise, the choices are still down to 2: Merge for a school district you can afford or PAY the difference if you vote against the merge. You will need millions ($$) and quick. I see you are not offering to come up with the millions, but you sure have no shortage of blame for everyone else. It is all the teacher's fault, it is all the administrations's fault, it is all the state's fault, you want everyone else to work for nothing, blah, blah, blah.

If you don't want to merge, come up with the cash.
I have no problem paying my property taxes and keeping the single small schools. Too bad the pro merger people can't get off their lazy back sides, get real jobs, buy homes, and pay taxes. I went away to college and came back here purposely to have a family and raise it in a small town. This society has become about having more and more and doing less and less to achieve it. Where does everyone think the state aid comes from? Hello people. It comes from taxpayers. We are going to pay for this one way or another. Keep collecting your food stamps, WIC checks, and rent subsidies. Keep our teachers in their fancy homes, driving their fancy cars, getting better benefits than most employers give, while working their 180 days a year. As to their complaints about the "extra" time they put in-they knew that when they chose this profession.
be sick

Grand Island, NY

#20 Feb 12, 2013
sick of your poison wrote:
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I have no problem paying my property taxes and keeping the single small schools. Too bad the pro merger people can't get off their lazy back sides, get real jobs, buy homes, and pay taxes. I went away to college and came back here purposely to have a family and raise it in a small town. This society has become about having more and more and doing less and less to achieve it. Where does everyone think the state aid comes from? Hello people. It comes from taxpayers. We are going to pay for this one way or another. Keep collecting your food stamps, WIC checks, and rent subsidies. Keep our teachers in their fancy homes, driving their fancy cars, getting better benefits than most employers give, while working their 180 days a year. As to their complaints about the "extra" time they put in-they knew that when they chose this profession.
The guy is right. If this doesn't go through we are screwed. The money isn't there.
feeling better

Burnt Hills, NY

#21 Feb 12, 2013
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